Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Freomaniac]

Yes they are.

At some point history will damn them for what they did, especially Bush. Won't matter to them cos they'll be dead by then anyway.

The Iraq war was illegal. It was based on lies and destabilised the Middle East so much that we ended with up with ISIS slaughtering anyone it felt like and non-stop war since. Saddam Hussein was a terrible human and deserved to be deposed but there was no legal basis for anyone to do that.

If the US (and us) had stayed focused on Afghanistan and rebuilding it to make it the sort of nation it was 50-60 years ago and left Iraq alone then that entire part of the world would be so much less psycho and the US and Western world in general might still have some moral authority.

Most of the non white, non English speaking world, ie the developing world wouldn't be looking to China (and even Russia) for leadership.

If not for something like 500 stolen votes in Florida 24 years ago the world would be very different now.

Looking back at it now, the Iraq invasion or the 2nd gulf war of 2003-2011 will be looked back as a massive mistake.

As you said, Australia, USA and UK went to Iraq because the Iraqi Government under Saddam Hussein had "waepons of mass destruction" or nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. What we found in the end was empty war head missiles.

But there was a domino effect. It destabilised the Middle east that Badly that ISIS slaughtered massive numbers.

Saying that, Saddam Hussein was a Sunni Muslim. Shia Muslims were 75% of the population. Sunni Muslims made up of 25% and the Kurds were only 10% of the population.

In Neighbouring Iran, Most of the population are Shia muslims. Once Saddam Husseins government fell, Iran found an opening and funded Shia Militant groups like ISIS.

I also agree about the 2000 US election. Take those 500 stolen votes out of it and count them, We would of had George W Bush lose the 2000 election.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Aren’t you saying it’s propaganda that they get paid to kill Jews.

There's more to it than that. Israelis have also been paid to kill Jews.

 

[ferball]

Are you denying that there is a Palestinian fund for martyrs and violence against https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund

Well that's what you call it when the Palestinians do it, but when the Israelis do it its just veterans welfare, compo for soldiers and benefits for widows and families etc which is completely different and okay.

 

[ferball]

Looking back at it now, the Iraq invasion or the 2nd gulf war of 2003-2011 will be looked back as a massive mistake.

As you said, Australia, USA and UK went to Iraq because the Iraqi Government under Saddam Hussein had "waepons of mass destruction" or nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. What we found in the end was empty war head missiles.

But there was a domino effect. It destabilised the Middle east that Badly that ISIS slaughtered massive numbers.

Saying that, Saddam Hussein was a Sunni Muslim. Shia Muslims were 75% of the population. Sunni Muslims made up of 25% and the Kurds were only 10% of the population.

In Neighbouring Iran, Most of the population are Shia muslims. Once Saddam Husseins government fell, Iran found an opening and funded Shia Militant groups like ISIS.

I also agree about the 2000 US election. Take those 500 stolen votes out of it and count them, We would of had George W Bush lose the 2000 election.

If that happened we might not have seen 9/11 or any of the wars that followed and we have already had decades of action on climate change across the world.

 

[blackcat]

i never knew Novak Djokovic was part of Hamas , all makes sense now

#nole

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

In Neighbouring Iran, Most of the population are Shia muslims. Once Saddam Husseins government fell, Iran found an opening and funded Shia Militant groups like ISIS.

Where are you getting this? ISIS massacred Shiites. They are Sunni.

 

[Freomaniac]

Where are you getting this? ISIS massacred Shiites. They are Sunni.

I thought Isis were Shia muslims?

There were many armed groups that were Sunni groups when the Baath party fell. One of them was founded on the back of former members of the disbanded Iraqi army.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Lets see how the media and politicians spin this one tomorrow

 

[Markfs]

Supplying weapons to a country and then wagging fingers when they use them. Isn't it about time western leaders embraced the israelis leaders, slapped them on the back and gave them a big hug and shared a cigar with them? Just be honest boys....

 

[Stax on the mill]

Which post propaganda boy?

Pretty well all of them, race baiter.

 

[darrenmorgan]

I thought Isis were Shia muslims?

There were many armed groups that were Sunni groups when the Baath party fell. One of them was founded on the back of former members of the disbanded Iraqi army.

ISIS are a Sunni group.

 

[Freomaniac]

Rack off

only until one of these 2 options happen.

1. fremantle dockers win a premiership.

2. peace in the middle east.

I prefer both but I know I will get neither.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Israel biting off more that it can chew and getting their own drafted citizens killed unecessarily as they take on 7 fronts .
Netanyahu's war cabinet are totally crazy besides being war criminals.

Israel’s lack of vision in multi-fronted war may be fatally exposed

After Iranian strikes damage bases and IDF take casualties in Lebanon, experts say Israel’s military doctrine could be found wanting

www.theguardian.com

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

only until one of these 2 options happen.

1. fremantle dockers win a premiership.

2. peace in the middle east.

I prefer both but I know I will get neither.

Stop making light of this war with your pitifull jokes.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

 

[Saint]

Israel biting off more that it can chew and getting their own drafted citizens killed unecessarily as they take on 7 fronts .
Netanyahu's war cabinet are totally crazy besides being war criminals.

Israel’s lack of vision in multi-fronted war may be fatally exposed

After Iranian strikes damage bases and IDF take casualties in Lebanon, experts say Israel’s military doctrine could be found wanting

www.theguardian.com

As the Foreign Minister of Jordan pointed out. Nobody even knows what Israel wants any more. Netanyahu is going on a rampage and nobody knows what he wants in order to stop him.

The whole world, including the US says that a ceasefire with a 2-state solution is the only path to peace. And Netanyahu's Government has passed legislation to prevent that.

So Netanyahu and the state of Israel are waging a war with no specific goals in mind, just revenge and more escalation.

Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and Lebanon have all proposed paths to peace and Israel said no to everything and have escalated at every opportunity.

Netanyahu's urge for revenge and to dominate the region and ethinically cleanse Palestine is the ACTUAL purpose of this war. Any other stated purpose has been disproven repeatedly by Netanyahu's actions.

Anyone who thinks Netanyahu cares about Israeli lives needs to look at how while saying they wanted to rescue hostages, most of their actions have put the hostages in more danger rather than less.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What a mess of an area.
Essentially there are a heap of different religious groups who all want to kill everyone not aligned with theirs.
The Jew's , Sunni and Shiite Moslims.
Most of them are probably also opposed to other ethnic groups than their own.

Now they are playing with Nukes. What could go wrong?

 

[BFew]

This is going to be very controversial to say the least.

US to give Israel 'compensation' if it hits acceptable targets in Iran - report

Israel has vowed a response to the attack, which saw over 180 missiles fired at Israel, killing a single Palestinian in the West Bank.

www.jpost.com

'The US has reportedly offered Israel a "compensation package" if it refrains from attacking certain targets in Iran, according to a report in Kan11 on Sunday.

Amichai Stein told them that he had received reports from US officials that the US had offered Israel a "compensation package" if it refrained from hitting specific targets in Iran.

This package was offered during negotiations between officials of the two countries on the type of response to the attack from Iran.

The package would include a total guarantee of comprehensive diplomatic protection as well as a weapons package and was offered directly in return for holding off on striking certain targets in Iran.

Quid pro Quo​

Stein summed it up, saying, "An American official said, 'If you don't hit targets A, B, C, we will provide you with diplomatic protection and an arms package.'"

"Israeli officials responded saying, 'We consider the United States and listen to them. But we will do anything and everything we can to protect the citizens and the security of the State of Israel.'
..."

 

[BFew]

"An American official said, 'If you don't hit targets A, B, C, we will provide you with diplomatic protection and an arms package.'"

What next?

Israel hits targets A,B,C that Iran has left less protected?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

With Murdoch funding Netanyahu, it wouldn't surprise me if Israel bombed the ABC.

 

[JayJ20]

Is John Winston Howard, George W Bush and Tony Blair war criminals as well? Thet sent troops to invade Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein

Yes. Yes they are. Why do people think this is even contested? The war crimes committed in the Iraq invasion by the US, UK and Australia are well documented. They were shooting civilians like it's a video game by their own admission and brutalised them. Over 1 million Iraqis died as a result. Even if Iraq had so-called WMDs, it doesn't justify killing 1 million people. We know it was a lie and Iraq didn't have WMD.

The Saudi officials that killed 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands of Yemenis in the last 10 years using the exact same "we need to eliminate terrorist Iranian proxies" excuse are also awful people.

There is no excuse. You'd think the west learned a lesson after the atrocities committed in the Iraqi war that is now widely condemned by both the right and the left. Yet here we are again. History will not look kindly on the Israeli regime.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

This is going to be very controversial to say the least.

US to give Israel 'compensation' if it hits acceptable targets in Iran - report

Israel has vowed a response to the attack, which saw over 180 missiles fired at Israel, killing a single Palestinian in the West Bank.

www.jpost.com

'The US has reportedly offered Israel a "compensation package" if it refrains from attacking certain targets in Iran, according to a report in Kan11 on Sunday.

Amichai Stein told them that he had received reports from US officials that the US had offered Israel a "compensation package" if it refrained from hitting specific targets in Iran.

This package was offered during negotiations between officials of the two countries on the type of response to the attack from Iran.

The package would include a total guarantee of comprehensive diplomatic protection as well as a weapons package and was offered directly in return for holding off on striking certain targets in Iran.

Quid pro Quo​

Stein summed it up, saying, "An American official said, 'If you don't hit targets A, B, C, we will provide you with diplomatic protection and an arms package.'"

"Israeli officials responded saying, 'We consider the United States and listen to them. But we will do anything and everything we can to protect the citizens and the security of the State of Israel.'
..."

That's like a way up scaled version of paying a terrorist organisation if they promise not to send out their suicide bombers.