Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Lunchlady Doris]

This is a lie.

You're claiming every Palestinian is basically a terrorist and using it as a justification for the extreme, genocidal violence that's been going on for over a year (and for decades at a lower intensity.) Obviously the PA compromised otherwise there would be extreme violence in the West Bank in response to the behaviour of the Israeli settlers.

You've just said "all Palestinians are blah blah blah".

Its no different to the lies Nazis and other antisemites spread about Jewish people when they say/said "all Jews are blah blah blah".

This is the sort of thinking that enables genocide.

Just waiting for the 'Israel have offered a Palestinian state x times and every time Palestinians have rejected it and prefer to kill Jews' or some nonsense.

 

[Suspense]

What difference does it make if they were Arab at that time or not? Because they now speak Arabic and follow Islam, they dont' deserve to live in the land of their ancestors?

It matters because it is not only their ancestral home. The Zionists see it as traditional Jewish lands that they were exiled from by the Romans.

Why do you make a distinction?

Because this is all about demographics.

 

[ferball]

Just waiting for the 'Israel have offered a Palestinian state x times and every time Palestinians have rejected it and prefer to kill Jews' or some nonsense.

Yeah it seems that way...

But that might not be what that poster thinks.

This whole situation is constantly framed in a way that claims Palestinian = violent extremist. Its a form of brainwashing and its the reason so many people in Australia think there is some justification for Israel's extreme cruelty. Their exposure to the situation is always framed as Israel vs "Palestinian = violent extremist".

Humans are easy to program, especially if no alternative options are presented to them.

 

[Suspense]

This is a lie.

You're claiming every Palestinian is basically a terrorist and using it as a justification for the extreme, genocidal violence that's been going on for over a year (and for decades at a lower intensity.) Obviously the PA compromised otherwise there would be extreme violence in the West Bank in response to the behaviour of the Israeli settlers.

You've just said "all Palestinians are blah blah blah".

Its no different to the lies Nazis and other antisemites spread about Jewish people when they say/said "all Jews are blah blah blah".

This is the sort of thinking that enables genocide.

When I referred to "Palestinians," I was referring to the the broader Palestinian community - and in particular, certain factions within said community. I was not suggesting that every individual Palestinian is engaged in terrorism or supports extremist violence - so your post is a gross misrepresentation.

I recognise that there are many Palestinians who seek peace and coexistence.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

That's all fine, but I am going to laugh at someone who presents that solution.

And so you should!!!

 

[ferball]

When I referred to "Palestinians," I was referring to the the broader Palestinian community - and in particular, certain factions within said community. I was not suggesting that every individual Palestinian is engaged in terrorism or supports extremist violence - so your post is a gross misrepresentation.

I recognise that there are many Palestinians who seek peace and coexistence.

Well you should have said that instead of implying every Palestinian is a violent extremist.

 

[Suspense]

Well you should have said that instead of implying every Palestinian is a violent extremist.

Or alternatively, if you were unsure of my implication, you could have simply asked for clarification instead of jumping to conclusions.

 

[ferball]

Or alternatively, if you were unsure of my implication, you could have simply asked for clarification instead of jumping to conclusions.

Why would I be unsure of it? It seems pretty clear from your posting that is what you think.

Its a constant trope that all Palestinians are violent extremists. It gets repeated all the time and Israel are using it to justify a genocide. And you're just repeating what other sources present as a fact all the time. What have you said in this thread to give anyone the impression you actually think differently? Pages back you blamed every dead Palestinian woman and child on the Palestinians themselves.

 

[Markfs]

Read Markfs's post history. He's NOT pro-Israel by any means. And I think he was saying news dot Murdoch forward slash daily hasbara was making FAR MORE of Hezbollah's microdamages compared to Netan-yisrael's disintegrations of entire neighbourhoods and their civilian populations.

advise people to google "irony"...."satire"...."sarcasm"

i was just out in the car and the ABC news stated that several people in israel were knifed....evidently none were dead.

I hope the ABC starts doing the weather for tel aviv on a daily basis......

 

[blackcat]

US and Israel kept trading with South Africans

paradox is we got a shitload of saffa's in Perth , not just IT prof jm coetzee in Adelaide/Austin

 

[blackcat]

Well you should have said that instead of implying every Palestinian is a violent extremist.

Ben Roberts-Smith vic cross AO Wa's submission 4 australian of the year , see how that works

Oliver Stone × Hammer



for me Mac Tip should have been Australian of the Year circa '16 , wont find an equivalent Aussie to dominate to equivalent* extant on footy field , a sotto voce aside for lidia lassia of Yarraville/MLC/Lorne/Helsinki

 

[Suspense]

Why would I be unsure of it? It seems pretty clear from your posting that is what you think.

Not at all. Just because I don't share your pollyannish view that Arafat was a peace loving hippie - doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that there many are Palestinians that are opposed to extremist terrorism.

Its a constant trope that all Palestinians are violent extremists. It gets repeated all the time and Israel are using it to justify a genocide. And you're just repeating what other sources present as a fact all the time.

As a group, they have been (and continue to be) represented by violent extremists - with many on the left tacitly justifying said violence under the guise of 'resistance'.

I understand why both Palestinians and Israelis engage with in extreme violence but I ultimately believe it to be counter-productive on both fronts.

What have you said in this thread to give anyone the impression you actually think differently? Pages back you blamed every dead Palestinian woman and child on the Palestinians themselves.

As I said, the refusal of Palestinians (as a wider community) to compromise has contributed to the suffering of their people. This is not to ascribe 'blame' in the moral sense - but more to describe the idealist and maximalist positions that has led the Palestinian people to where they are today.

Sorry that I believe this conflict to be slightly more nuanced than simply 'Jews R Bad'.

 

[IlovethePies]

More horrors being unleashed in Gaza
Al Jazeera reporting that the relentless bombardement of Gaza and the reduction of most structures to rubble has released into the atmosphere a storm of asbestos particles, which will now cause deadly cancers for decades to come

‘Death sentence’: Asbestos released by Israel’s bombs will kill for decades

People in Gaza are exposed to airborne particles released as Israel destroys the enclave. Inhaled, it can cause cancers.

www.aljazeera.com

Israel is now reducing Beirut to rubble in addition to southern Lebanon, and is striking as far away as Damascus.

There is no pretence any more.

This is simply rampaging military violence. Israel - and its backer, the US - are out of control.

Together, they are openly plotting their next move: an attack on Iran, which will unleash a conflagration in the Middle East.

Anyone (like Albanese and his cronies in the Australian government) who claims that Israel is acting out of "self-defence" will one day have to face a Nuremberg style court and explain why they were willing to say this, and therefore aid and abet a genocide of historic proportions.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

As a group, they have been (and continue to be) represented by violent extremists - with many on the left tacitly justifying said violence under the guise of 'resistance'.

As have Israelis, right?

As I said, the refusal of Palestinians (as a wider community) to compromise has contributed to the suffering of their people. This is not to ascribe 'blame' in the moral sense - but more to describe the idealist and maximalist positions that has led the Palestinian people to where they are today.

Is it only Palestinians that refuse to compromise? Are there any other factors that have contributed to their suffering?

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

paradox is we got a shitload of saffa's in Perth , not just IT prof jm coetzee in Adelaide/Austin

Hopefully they're not all of Eugene TerreBlanche's extended family. At the very least they brought over a great bit of saffer culture with them!

Braai Master Australia

braaimaster.com.au

 

[Saint]

Not revealing anything - simply stating that the refusal of Palestinians to compromise, in preference to extremist violence, continues to contribute to untold suffering.

The Israeli side refuses to compromise. Since inception, Israel have made no compromises, they've only expanded their territory, expecting more and more compromise from the other side because they keep militarily defeating them and taking more and more.

They just recently passed legislation against a 2-state solution. Enshrining the exclusion of the one base minimum compromise expected of them by even the US as impossible under Israeli law.

And we have people here saying Palestinians won't compromise.

The one time an Israeli Govt compromised in Oslo, the violent extremists in Israel killed the PM, started committing state-sanctioned terrorist acts and hasn't stopped.

Israel have a worse history of compromise than the Palestinian side.

 

[Saint]

It matters because it is not only their ancestral home. The Zionists see it as traditional Jewish lands that they were exiled from by the Romans.

Because this is all about demographics.

Typical Zionists playing the victim. Every time they complain the Romans kicked them out of Greater Israel, they leave out the bit that it was the Romans who granted the Kings of Judea the areas surrounding their actual ancestral homeland and made "Judea" a lot bigger than just the Jewish areas.

They ruled because the Romans allowed them and supported them militarily, just like the US do now.

They're excellent at mixing myth with victimisation and colonisation.

 

[the_interloper]

Why would I be unsure of it? It seems pretty clear from your posting that is what you think.

Its a constant trope that all Palestinians are violent extremists. It gets repeated all the time and Israel are using it to justify a genocide. And you're just repeating what other sources present as a fact all the time. What have you said in this thread to give anyone the impression you actually think differently? Pages back you blamed every dead Palestinian woman and child on the Palestinians themselves.

I think they're using October 7th as justification really

 

[Saint]

Isn't the learning of the holocaust that sometimes violent resistance is required, rather than appeasement of a violent, genocidal oppressor?

As a group, they have been (and continue to be) represented by violent extremists - with many on the left tacitly justifying said violence under the guise of 'resistance'.

 

[ferball]

Not at all. Just because I don't share your pollyannish view that Arafat was a peace loving hippie - doesn't mean I don't acknowledge that there many are Palestinians that are opposed to extremist terrorism.


As a group, they have been (and continue to be) represented by violent extremists - with many on the left tacitly justifying said violence under the guise of 'resistance'.

I understand why both Palestinians and Israelis engage with in extreme violence but I ultimately believe it to be counter-productive on both fronts.


As I said, the refusal of Palestinians (as a wider community) to compromise has contributed to the suffering of their people. This is not to ascribe 'blame' in the moral sense - but more to describe the idealist and maximalist positions that has led the Palestinian people to where they are today.

Sorry that I believe this conflict to be slightly more nuanced than simply 'Jews R Bad'.

No one says shit like "Jews R Bad" in this thread and gets away with it.

People are criticising Israel, a state in the Middle east, and its armed forces (which are not exclusively Jewish,) for their over the top brutality and genocidal actions. Israel does appear to apply apartheid like restrictions to non Jewish citizens but this is criticised by Jewish people (and others) across the world and has been for decades.

Implying criticism of Israel = "Jew R Bad" is a cheap rhetorical trick you're trying to pull off to distract people from the way you implied all Palestinians are violent extremists, a lie which is used as a justification by many in Israel and in the West, to justify the ongoing genocide.

You said wtte of "Palestinians R Bad" and are now trying to somehow backtrack.

A simple way to avoid it would be to refer to "some Palestinions", "Palestinian extremists" or "extremists" generally. Or to refer to the organisations responsible for the violence by name.

After all why would anyone give you the benefit of the doubt when you spout shit like your pollyannish view that Arafat was a peace loving hippie. I obviously didn't say that, i said Arafat and Rabin, who'd been enemies and at war their whole lives, tried to make peace near the end of their lives, probably cos they realised how destructive and counterproductive a lifetime of warfare actually is.

If you're gonna lie about that why wouldn't anyone assume you're also prepared to lie about all Palestinians being violent extremists so you can justify the slaughter of children and other civilians?

 

[ferball]

I think they're using October 7th as justification really

All Palestinians weren't involved in what happened that day. Some might have been but not all of them.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

No one says shit like "Jews R Bad" in this thread and gets away with it.

People are criticising Israel, a state in the Middle east, and its armed forces (which are not exclusively Jewish,) for their over the top brutality and genocidal actions. Israel does appear to apply apartheid like restrictions to non Jewish citizens but this is criticised by Jewish people (and others) across the world and has been for decades.

Implying criticism of Israel = "Jew R Bad" is a cheap rhetorical trick you're trying to pull off to distract people from the way you implied all Palestinians are violent extremists, a lie which is used as a justification by many in Israel and in the West, to justify the ongoing genocide.

You said wtte of "Palestinians R Bad" and are now trying to somehow backtrack.

A simple way to avoid it would be to refer to "some Palestinions", "Palestinian extremists" or "extremists" generally. Or to refer to the organisations responsible for the violence by name.

After all why would anyone give you the benefit of the doubt when you spout shit like your pollyannish view that Arafat was a peace loving hippie. I obviously didn't say that, i said Arafat and Rabin, who'd been enemies and at war their whole lives, tried to make peace near the end of their lives, probably cos they realised how destructive and counterproductive a lifetime of warfare actually is.

If you're gonna lie about that why wouldn't anyone assume you're also prepared to lie about all Palestinians being violent extremists so you can justify the slaughter of children and other civilians?

Just made my way through this... Because i don't understand antisemitism, and reading this much of it is driven by Christians.

10 Tough Questions on Antisemitism Explained

What are the origins and sources of antisemitism, what is the antisemitism definition, what does it look like today, and what does Israel have to do with it? Here are the answers to 10 tough questions about Jew-hatred and a look at "why people hate Jews."

www.ajc.org

So i noted this passage.
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However, calling for an end to just the Jewish state crosses the line into antisemitism. The belief that the Jews, alone among the people of the world, do not have a right to self-determination — or that the Jewish people have no religious and historical connection to Israel — singles out and discriminates against Jews, which is the very definition of antisemitism.
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What a load of bollocks.
The Maori's of New Zealand do not have a right to self determination, except in the context of the wider democracy of new Zealand.

The Aboriginals of Australia do not have a right of self determination. We need to work through some stuff for sure, but its loony tunes to suggest there should be an Aboriginal State.

The Amish don't have their own little country.
Closer to home , the Kurds are forced to live as a minority in multiple states, which wouldn't be so bad if those countries were not run by such bigoted religious nuts.

The list is endless. Why should there be a Jewish state , or an Islamic state?

Its delusional to think that every ethnic religious group should have the "god given" right to form a state in the area's they find historically significant.
Especially in this day and age where most people think that a secular state is best.

Much like Palestinian kids throwing rocks at the IDF, the Israelite's constantly revolting against the Romans caused a lot of the historical repression that was inflicted on them and ultimately drove them out of Palestine.