Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[HirdsTheWord]

You can argue the validity of the promised land on logic if you want, but the people making the decisions in israel believe that they are the chosen people and they were promised the promised land by yahweh. And the amazing thing is evangelicals believe that jews have to attain the promised land before jesus returns and everything ends and they can all go to heaven. Argue historical facts all you like.....these are religious facts.

There are no religious facts.........99% of it is make believe.

it's as simple as Zionists believe they are entitled to the land, anyone else is not. And the Zionists have all of the advanced weaponry with western support. Palestinians have neither the weaponry or the support.

The only real solution (2 state solution) to peace in the region is something neither side want, or at least i should say the governments of each side dont want. Which means essentially giving up their own claim to said land to ensure both can live together.

it's just a proper shit sandwich over there, and it's just put in the too hard basket by most other countries.

 

[Markfs]

joe biden is a catholic and a self-proclaimed zionist.

The pope has questioned whether gaza is a genocide.....

You have to wonder which side old joe is going to take. I think his zionist side wins.

 

[Markfs]

There are no religious facts.........99% of it is make believe.

it's as simple as Zionists believe they are entitled to the land, anyone else is not. And the Zionists have all of the advanced weaponry with western support. Palestinians have neither.

The only solution (2 state solution) to peace in the region is something neither side want. Which means essentially giving up their claim to said land.

Ask the chosen people and the evangelicals what the facts are...

As for palestinians not wanting a two state outcome, israel will never give them that choice...

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Ask the chosen people and the evangelicals what the facts are...

As for palestinians not wanting a two state outcome, israel will never give them that choice...

Sorry i edited my post.

I agree but Hamas dont want it either, so i agree it will never be up to Palestinians to decide what they want.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You can argue the validity of the promised land on logic if you want, but the people making the decisions in israel believe that they are the chosen people and they were promised the promised land by yahweh. And the amazing thing is evangelicals believe that jews have to attain the promised land before jesus returns and everything ends and they can all go to heaven. Argue historical facts all you like.....these are religious facts.

Which don't actually entitle them to anything other than delusion.

The "promised land " was from Arish, which is a bit inside Egypt, to the Euphrates, which is a LOT inside Syria and Jordan, and a bit inside Iraq.

Their god later sat down and had a few beers with Isaac, and decided they could have the Red Sea , to the Mediterranean, to the Euphrates, bordered by the desert. So pretty much all of it.

They got their little bit of real estate in the area, talk about give an inch take a mile.

 

[Saint]

Which don't actually entitle them to anything other than delusion.

The "promised land " was from Arish, which is a bit inside Egypt, to the Euphrates, which is a LOT inside Syria and Jordan, and a bit inside Iraq.

Their god later sat down and had a few beers with Isaac, and decided they could have the Red Sea , to the Mediterranean, to the Euphrates, bordered by the desert. So pretty much all of it.

They got their little bit of real estate in the area, talk about give an inch take a mile.

They'll claim Ethiopia soon too, the way they're going, because there was a king there one day.

 

[Not Important]

 

[Not Important]

100%

 

[Markfs]

Sorry i edited my post.

I agree but Hamas dont want it either, so i agree it will never be up to Palestinians to decide what they want.

hamas actually consists of a lot of palestinians...

but I dont think hamas has been asked recently. People seem to refer to material that is decades old. Not that I want to question our programming on this issue....

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto

· Shift comes in lead-up to Palestinian election · Commitment to armed struggle remains

www.theguardian.com

How much of a shift is the new Hamas policy document?

Nothing so dramatic as recognition of Israel - but how much of a change is there?

www.bbc.com

 

[Markfs]

I just thought of the guys out there over my morning coffee.....maybe getting a little older and like donald trump...small hands...

And I thought that this article might get a rise for you and the wife...

And to me, still the number one religion on the planet, irrespective of what the jews, the muslims and the evangelicals say.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/ufc/insane-12-trillion-detail-in-donald-trump-photo-at-ufc-309/news-story/f2333a53b71858efb6cc119735baec45

 

[HirdsTheWord]

hamas actually consists of a lot of palestinians...

but I dont think hamas has been asked recently. People seem to refer to material that is decades old. Not that I want to question our programming on this issue....

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto

· Shift comes in lead-up to Palestinian election · Commitment to armed struggle remains

www.theguardian.com

How much of a shift is the new Hamas policy document?

Nothing so dramatic as recognition of Israel - but how much of a change is there?

www.bbc.com

Not sure what you mean RE ask Hamas recently......Hamas literal charter calls for the destruction of Israel....they would have to drop that before they can talk about a 2 state wouldn't you think?

both them and Zionists want death to the other.

 

[faible]

Not sure what you mean RE ask Hamas recently......Hamas literal charter calls for the destruction of Israel....they would have to drop that before they can talk about a 2 state wouldn't you think?

both them and Zionists want death to the other.

You should probably check the 2017 charter.

It accepts a two-state solution, without agreeing with Israel's claims, or legitimising what was done to the Palestinian people.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You should probably check the 2017 charter.

It accepts a two-state solution, without agreeing with Israel's claims, or legitimising what was done to the Palestinian people.

They also refer back to a superseded document, while ignoring the present reality of what Israel is actually saying and doing.

 

[faible]

They also refer back to a superseded document, while ignoring the present reality of what Israel is actually saying and doing.

Israel: does a Genocide
Pro-Israel Supporters: yeah but it's ok because Hamas would do one if they could

 

[Roylion]

Its actual history.

Churchill was responsible for the famines in the British colonies of India during ww2.

The Bengal famine of 1943-44 occurred because of a number of reasons, including an increased military presence of hundreds of thousands of American, British, Indian, and Chinese troops as well as an influx of at least half a million refugees from Myanmar (Burma), both of which resulted in.an increased demand for food.

The Japanese invasion of Burma also cut off the import of Burmese rice into India placing increased demand on the rice-producing regions in India. Adding to this, the British military employed scorched-earth tactics in eastern and coastal Bengal because they were anticipating a Japanese invasion of British India via the eastern border of Bengal in order to deny the Japanese invaders access to food supplies and other resources. The British were also keen to deny Bengali transport to any invading Japanese army and so confiscated any boats large enough to carry more than ten people and commandeer other forms of transport which meant it was more difficult to carry rice to market for purchase by the population.

Other Indian states, including those ruled by Indian princes, imposed provincial trade barriers preventing trade in rice, wheat and other grains which added further to the problem of securing food in Bengal. The British certainly provided preferential distribution of limited goods and services including food to workers in high-priority war industries in Bengal. This policy of prioritised distribution was certainly one cause (but not the only) cause of the famine.

 

[Saint]

Western Govt: We're not sure if they deliberately blew up the hospital

IDF: We've deliberately blown up all the hospitals.

Western Govt: We're not sure they're ethnically cleansing the place.

IDF General: We're ethnically cleansing the place.

Western Govt: They have the right to defend themselves.

 

[Markfs]

..Hamas literal charter calls for the destruction of Israel....

well you could have at least read the headlines ... fortunately, i only spent 5 minutes on google

 

[Markfs]

Western Govt: We're not sure if they deliberately blew up the hospital

IDF: We've deliberately blown up all the hospitals.

Western Govt: We're not sure they're ethnically cleansing the place.

IDF General: We're ethnically cleansing the place.

Western Govt: They have the right to defend themselves.

the IDF said the quote about cleansing was all a mistake..... the guardian just has it in for the jews in general and this is just another example of anti-semitism...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/uks-guardian-appears-to-muff-generals-quote-on-return-of-north-gaza-civilians/

 

[Scotland]

They were literally created during an Israeli occupation to resist the Israeli occupation. You can't invade a country and then complain when they fight back.

If a new militant group forms in Gaza will that be because Israel invaded Gaza and therefore Israel's fault?

 

[Chief]

If a new militant group forms in Gaza will that be because Israel invaded Gaza and therefore Israel's fault?

Of course.

 

[leon123]

If a new militant group forms in Gaza will that be because Israel invaded Gaza and therefore Israel's fault?

I would suggest that if your family, home and community was killed and destroyed by a 'third party' you would be a little upset. Upset to the point that you may desire to seek revenge.

You would agree wouldnt you? You could understand that desire as well I suspect.

 

[Markfs]

If a new militant group forms in Gaza will that be because Israel invaded Gaza and therefore Israel's fault?

There are a number of armed groups in gaza which are loosely aligned to hamas...

I suppose the question is whether IDF is the cause of armed resistance when people have their brothers and sisters killed by the IDF and their parents and extended family killed......and them being stripped searched every time that they move locations and starved and humiliated and have drones over their heads 24 hours a day. I wonder if Israel is partly the cause for resistance.... or is it just that the palestinians hate jews and just cant help themselves from being anti-semitic and the israelis are just misunderstood and portrayed badly by the world's media

 

[Scotland]

I would suggest that if your family, home and community was killed and destroyed by a 'third party' you would be a little upset. Upset to the point that you may desire to seek revenge.

You would agree wouldnt you? You could understand that desire as well I suspect.

Yes, but that is not what I asked.

If my family was killed by a 'third party' I would be upset also.

Israelis hate Palestinians, Palestinians hate Israelis. Arabs hate Israelis, Israelis hate Arabs. Jews hate Muslims, Muslims hate Jews. Etc. Every act of violence, oppression, land capture etc. by one side makes members of the other side hate them.

There are a number of armed groups in gaza which are loosely aligned to hamas...

I suppose the question is whether IDF is the cause of armed resistance when people have their brothers and sisters killed by the IDF and their parents and extended family killed......and them being stripped searched every time that they move locations and starved and humiliated and have drones over their heads 24 hours a day. I wonder if Israel is partly the cause for resistance.... or is it just that the palestinians hate jews and just cant help themselves from being anti-semitic and the israelis are just misunderstood and portrayed badly by the world's media

The question is how far back in time do you want to go and are you (royal) ultimately just trying to defend a position that everything is the fault of one side or the other?

Hezbollah was formed in the 80s after Israel invaded Lebanon. Why did they do that? PLO kept attacking them from there. Why were they there? Kicked out of Jordan. Why were they kicked out? Civil war. Why were they in Jordan in the first place? Fled after the 6-Day War. Etc. You can keep going back to 1948, or 1920, or pre WWI...

 

[Chief]

Israelis hate Palestinians, Palestinians hate Israelis. Arabs hate Israelis, Israelis hate Arabs. Jews hate Muslims, Muslims hate Jews. Etc.

They all hate? None of them have good feelings towards those you mention? Want peace?

Every act of violence, oppression, land capture etc. by one side makes members of the other side hate them.

Yes.

 

[Scotland]

They all hate? None of them have good feelings towards those you mention? Want peace?

Not at all what I said, as you know.

There are plenty of Israelis calling for a ceasefire and Palestinians who would gladly be rid of Hamas/Fatah. There are Israeli Arabs who support the war in Gaza, Jews who don't support Zionism, Arab nations who effectively side with Israel, and then Iran which isn't Arab or Sunni nor shares a border with the Levant but is getting involved.