Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Sqotty from office works]

As usual Hamas will show thier face in this ceasefire agreement and mossad will learn who the new leadership is.

 

[Markfs]

It's not ideal but it's better than ongoing hostilities.

Hopefully it kicked off a process of negotiating a permanent ceasefire.

we're all hopeful... i'm even hopeful that the hostages will get back to their families..

but something has changed with the injection of trump and the way he was paid off indicates to me that the israelis are going to resume their longterm aims after a slight delay...and that means getting rid of the palestinians - and they want to clear the west bank too. THere is no doubt about that. I'm no expert in the field but it seems that there are no "promised land" issues with gaza but the israelis would still want the palestinians gone for a final solution...

if you're looking for the palestinians just to survive, then the US has egypt pretty well stiched up and the saudis... I think Trump could instigate a transport of palestinians out of gaza to an adjacent area in order to get it "fixed up"....and then they never return.

 

[Markfs]

Isn’t crazy that the Journalists in Israel don’t sugar coat it like the western media has.

Lots of reasons - one being that a couple of israeli outlets like haaretz play the good cop. Another reason is that israeli official tricking the west is a good thing in the eyes of israeli media consumers. In short, israelis and gentiles dont usually have the same goals in international relations. From what i've seen, israelis are fed different topics in propaganda...

 

[Markfs]

Interesting how the palestinians in gaza are celebrating and the israeli hostage families are expressing their anger......not that I want to upset the tropites

 

[Val Keating]

Interesting how the palestinians in gaza are celebrating and the israeli hostage families are expressing their anger......not that I want to upset the tropites

Off topic…sort of, but your profile picture breaks my heart.

 

[Val Keating]

Interesting how the palestinians in gaza are celebrating and the israeli hostage families are expressing their anger......not that I want to upset the tropites

Their right wing media were complaining that they’ve been strong armed into excepting the ceasefire by Trump.

The Israeli government and a large number of their citizens don’t care about the hostages anywhere near as much as they care about destroying Palestine, otherwise Israel would have excepted this deal every other time it has been agreed to by Hamas.

 

[Markfs]

Off topic…sort of, but your profile picture breaks my heart.

yes. The fact that her mother put her in a relative's car so that she was safer....the fact that her cousin called the PRCS and then was killed beside Hind....and that subsequently Hind was alone and begging on the phone for help. And the Israelis knew all of this because PRCS was contacting them in order to rescue her but the israelis then killed her and used her to lure the PRCS ambulance drivers in so that they could kill them.

And then the israelis have the front to wheel out their fake stories about headless babies....

They sicken me.

 

[sr36]

Lots of reasons - one being that a couple of israeli outlets like haaretz play the good cop. Another reason is that israeli official tricking the west is a good thing in the eyes of israeli media consumers. In short, israelis and gentiles dont usually have the same goals in international relations. From what i've seen, israelis are fed different topics in propaganda...

FMD. You really are swinging for the bleachers today. Israel's left just a facade within a broader conspiracy from those sneaky Jews to trick gentiles...

 

[Markfs]

Their right wing media were complaining that they’ve been strong armed into excepting the ceasefire by Trump.

The Israeli government and a large number of their citizens don’t care about the hostages anywhere near as much as they care about destroying Palestine, otherwise Israel would have excepted this deal every other time it has been agreed to by Hamas.

well the families of the hostages care...i think most will be happy to see the govt get them returned and then go back into gaza

 

[Markfs]

FMD. You really are swinging for the bleachers today. Israel's left just a facade within a broader conspiracy from those sneaky Jews to trick gentiles...

well its a summary. I think most israelis arent too concerned about AIPAC and others pressuring, deceiving etc the gentiles. Obviously, as much as politicians in the US want to portray israeli goals as the same as US goals, there are obvious differences. THe israelis can tell the truth to their own people about things that they need to deceive americans about. That's called good diplomacy

 

[Markfs]

It seems that sky news is pushing for penny wong to get the flick. It might indicate a decision from tel aviv. Richard Marles who somehow got a membership in the labor party is seen as a good man. I'd love to see Albo put Josh Frydenburg in. He just seems to fit the bill perfectly.

 

[Rob R]

It seems that sky news is pushing for penny wong to get the flick. It might indicate a decision from tel aviv. Richard Marles who somehow got a membership in the labor party is seen as a good man. I'd love to see Albo put Josh Frydenburg in. He just seems to fit the bill perfectly.

Marles? God help everyone, would just kick decisions down the road and create more band 2/3 senior execs

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[Rob R]

Just curious. Why haven't the Greens requested in their latest demands on the Government for Israeli hostages to be released. It's almost like the hostage situation has been marginalised by the Greens. Surely the release of hostages is also part of upholding international law?

It's in the fourth paragraph?

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[sr36]

well its a summary. I think most israelis arent too concerned about AIPAC and others pressuring, deceiving etc the gentiles. Obviously, as much as politicians in the US want to portray israeli goals as the same as US goals, there are obvious differences. THe israelis can tell the truth to their own people about things that they need to deceive americans about. That's called good diplomacy

It reads more like a made up Jewish conspiracy theory designed to position all Jews as responsible for Gazan atrocities than a summary.

 

[Val Keating]

well the families of the hostages care...i think most will be happy to see the govt get them returned and then go back into gaza

Israel will roll those hostages out after they are released and their stories will be published across the western world.

Tabloids, 60 minutes you name it, they will be in the news cycle for as long as it takes for the low information normies to stop looking at what Israel has done.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure they’ve gone through hell, but the only places I see the account of what the Palestinians have gone through is from Al Jazeera and the like (the documentary they did last year called GAZA showing IDF Troops committing war crimes using the soldiers own footage is one of the best examples of journalism around imo).

The head NYT’s ME correspondent is literally a former IDF Soldier.

So yeah, I expect Israel will use those hostages to try to win back some favour, and we’ll barely hear anything in the msm about the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians murdered.

 

[Markfs]

It reads more like a made up Jewish conspiracy theory designed to position all Jews as responsible for Gazan atrocities than a summary.

dont get stressed...your mob is going to win

 

[Markfs]

Israel will roll those hostages out after they are released and their stories will be published across the western world.

Tabloids, 60 minutes you name it, they will be in the news cycle for as long as it takes for the low information normies to stop looking at what Israel has done.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure they’ve gone through hell, but the only places I see the account of what the Palestinians have gone through is from Al Jazeera and the like (the documentary they did last year called GAZA showing IDF Troops committing war crimes using the soldiers own footage is one of the best examples of journalism around imo).

The head NYT’s ME correspondent is literally a former IDF Soldier.

So yeah, I expect Israel will use those hostages to try to win back some favour, and we’ll barely hear anything in the msm about the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians murdered.

I agree. The israelis give out full ancestry family trees for anyone in israel who has been injured by hamas. They call it character development in the movies...

Beyond what the media can do, I think that's why the israelis will want to appoint a new foreign minister to promote australia's solidarity with israel....I just dont think Penny's heart is in it. Dreyfus is over there at the moment and he'll be told the plan and relay it to Albo when he returns....

 

[Markfs]

It reads more like a made up Jewish conspiracy theory designed to position all Jews as responsible for Gazan atrocities than a summary.

Dont worry SR, I hear Dreyfus will be introducing legislation to broaden the blame to Albo...

 

[sr36]

dont get stressed...your mob is going to win

Nah. Those like you who demonise communities and provoke communal tensions are winning - all over the world.

 

[Rob R]

It seems that sky news is pushing for penny wong to get the flick. It might indicate a decision from tel aviv. Richard Marles who somehow got a membership in the labor party is seen as a good man. I'd love to see Albo put Josh Frydenburg in. He just seems to fit the bill perfectly.

Penny Wong should go - very smart lady just a disaster as a leader, failing to actually do anything anywhere and now Vanuatu had to beg for help.

However if Skynews is pushing for her to go, that is probably reason to keep her.

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[sr36]

Dont worry SR, I hear Dreyfus will be introducing legislation to broaden the blame to Albo...

Yes because Dreyfus is one of those Jews - they control the world. His mum was a Jew. Says it all really.

 

[Markfs]

Nah. Those like you who demonise communities and provoke communal tensions are winning - all over the world.

i thought albo was the problem... of course it's got nothing to do with tens of thousands being blown up in gaza...

 

[Markfs]

Yes because Dreyfus is one of those Jews - they control the world. His mum was a Jew. Says it all really.

You misread me SR. I dint say dreyfus controlled the world. He's just a trusted messenger boy and he knows all the special handshakes..

 

[Markfs]

Penny Wong should go - very smart lady just a disaster as a leader, failing to actually do anything anywhere and now Vanuatu had to beg for help.

However if Skynews is pushing for her to go, that is probably reason to keep her.

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well vanuatu probably has to play the china card to get a little action. It's interesting how these smaller nations get things done for them in return for staying in the US empire.....and we have to crawl on our bellies to the more important nations like israel and we get nothing except joint ventures in killing machines.

 

[Markfs]

netty has said that the deal is off......hamas has apparently renegged.....before the agreement even begins.... while the israelis are taking their usual strategy of killing anything that moves..

you would never buy anything off these guys on gumtree....