please post this in the bulldogs forum. they need to get over 2009. saints fans generally curse their own kicking for 2009, rather than a goal for a poster; they blame the luck of the bounce for 2010, rather than the blatant throw that set up cloke for the last magpie goal. bulldogs gave themselves every chance in that prelim, but like 1997, weren't quite good enough.But don't blame the players for doing it when the rewards are so freely given out by the umpires, most of whom do not have the slightest feel for the game and what the players regularly try to con from them.