Jacinda Ardern, Prime Minister of New Zealand

[HairyO]

Scott Morrison's main issues are his multitude of other failures. The vaccine rollout is really just the most recent in a conga line of stuffups/embarassments

So we have her abject failure to roll out cheap housing, and sitting on her hands knowing a terrorist was planning to murder people and not bothering to pass any laws to stop it from happening?

What is the magic number for Jaccaz to be expected to reaign ?

 

[Generalissimo]

I think it'll take more than the mendacious ramblings of a few right wing malcontents.

 

[Maggie5]

Im not the one saying he needs to resign.

What is the magic number for Jaccaz to be expected to reaign ?

You are so transparent or maybe you forget what you post?

Why do you keep asking the same question?

 

[HairyO]

You are so transparent or maybe you forget what you post?

Why do you keep asking the same question?

Because the ones who are sure that Scomo should resign because of our terrible vaccine rollout seem to be struggling with this question about Ardern. Im sure they post in here. She is their poster girl.

She seems to be cranking out the failures too. Which is what the anti Scomo people fall back on when comparisons are made. "Oh but he has ****ed up all sorts of things". Jaccaz must be reading from his playlist.

 

[Maggie5]

Because the ones who are sure that Scomo should resign

Oh so you are just going tit for tat like a child.

At least admit that you are calling for her to resign then as you have contradicted yourself.

 

[Mateyman]

Because the ones who are sure that Scomo should resign because of our terrible vaccine rollout seem to be struggling with this question about Ardern. Im sure they post in here. She is their poster girl.

She seems to be cranking out the failures too. Which is what the anti Scomo people fall back on when comparisons are made. "Oh but he has f’ed up all sorts of things". Jaccaz must be reading from his playlist.

So we have:
Scomo:
Robodebt
Complete disintegration of ministerial standards of behaviour
Jobkeeper slush fund for a large range of businesses which didn't need it while excluding entire other sectors
Vaccine bungle leading to months of lockdown for the major states in the country (not to mention no Federal quarantine facilities 18 months in)
Continual ranting about states which locked down over a few cases before saying how that was the Commonwealth plan now
Consistent delusions about climate change policy which will end up costing us billions in trade
Billions of dollars more debt from his government even prior to Covid after going on about the debt emergency in opposition
(This is just the highlights, I'm sure there's more)


Jacinda:
Something about house prices
Not making a new law to stop a terror attack (although the law was already being considered in the Parliament)
Slow vaccine rollout which has led to a couple weeks lockdown for part of the country, with the Delta outbreak coming under control, something which hasn't actually been done anywhere in Australia.

You'll have to do a bit better before we start considering them too comparable. What do you reckon is Scomo's biggest policy achievement after 3 years as Prime Minister?

 

[HairyO]

So we have:
Scomo:
Robodebt
Complete disintegration of ministerial standards of behaviour
Jobkeeper slush fund for a large range of businesses which didn't need it while excluding entire other sectors
Vaccine bungle leading to months of lockdown for the major states in the country (not to mention no Federal quarantine facilities 18 months in)
Continual ranting about states which locked down over a few cases before saying how that was the Commonwealth plan now
Consistent delusions about climate change policy which will end up costing us billions in trade
Billions of dollars more debt from his government even prior to Covid after going on about the debt emergency in opposition
(This is just the highlights, I'm sure there's more)


Jacinda:
Something about house prices
Not making a new law to stop a terror attack (although the law was already being considered in the Parliament)
Slow vaccine rollout which has led to a couple weeks lockdown for part of the country, with the Delta outbreak coming under control, something which hasn't actually been done anywhere in Australia.

You'll have to do a bit better before we start considering them too comparable. What do you reckon is Scomo's biggest policy achievement after 3 years as Prime Minister?

They had been watching a terrorist for years knowing he was planning to go out and murder people but never bothered to make that illegal, so they had to wait until he actually went out to murder people? For years they had done nothing, but once a terrorist actually went on a spree "Oh we were totally just about to bring in a law about this - honest !!"

Also... "parts of the country" its basically the entire country at a lockdown similar to NSW, with 1.5m people more locked down than anything we have had here.

Scomo beat Shorten at an election. That alone is worth a term of government. I was glad when Albo took over. I think he is a decent person. But he seems to have zero clue how to be in charge of an opposition party.

 

[Mateyman]

They had been watching a terrorist for years knowing he was planning to go out and murder people but never bothered to make that illegal, so they had to wait until he actually went out to murder people? For years they had done nothing, but once a terrorist actually went on a spree "Oh we were totally just about to bring in a law about this - honest !!"

Not really true. The guy was locked up until a couple of months ago from what I can tell. He was definitely in prison until at the earliest 2020 and from what I can tell it seems like he was only actually let out a couple months ago.

Also... "parts of the country" its basically the entire country at a lockdown similar to NSW, with 1.5m people more locked down than anything we have had here.

What the hell are you talking about? NZ is a country of about 5 million, so about 30% is locked down. 14.5 million or so are currently locked down in Australia, which is a tick under 60% of the country. And this is a 4 month lockdown... rather than 4 weeks.

Scomo beat Shorten at an election. That alone is worth a term of government. I was glad when Albo took over. I think he is a decent person. But he seems to have zero clue how to be in charge of an opposition party.

So the best thing you can name about Morrison is that he won the election, rather than anything he has actually done since. Telling.

 

[Evolved1]

If Australia's vaccine rollout is a failure, so is NZ's. Surprised to see so few can spit out the truth.

 

[Mateyman]

If Australia's vaccine rollout is a failure, so is NZ's. Surprised to see so few can spit out the truth.

Who has claimed different?

 

[The Passenger]

What do you reckon is Scomo's biggest policy achievement after 3 years as Prime Minister?

Protecting paedophile protectors.

 

[Todman]

New Zealand left behind in efforts to push its zero-Covid strategy

New Zealand runs the risk of being left behind as the country pushes its 'deluded' zero-Covid policy, as Australia throws open its borders to the rest of the world.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ms Ardern said the country's strict 'zero Covid' strategy - with harsh lockdowns used even for a handful of cases - had helped bring the latest outbreak under control but that 'we haven't quite finished the job yet'. New Zealand's lockdown was extended on Monday despite the vast majority of the country recording zero new cases of the virus. Auckland will remain under the strictest restrictions after detecting 33 new cases, while mandatory masks and social distancing measures will be enforced across the rest of the country.

 

[Evolved1]

New Zealand left behind in efforts to push its zero-Covid strategy

New Zealand runs the risk of being left behind as the country pushes its 'deluded' zero-Covid policy, as Australia throws open its borders to the rest of the world.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ms Ardern said the country's strict 'zero Covid' strategy - with harsh lockdowns used even for a handful of cases - had helped bring the latest outbreak under control but that 'we haven't quite finished the job yet'. New Zealand's lockdown was extended on Monday despite the vast majority of the country recording zero new cases of the virus. Auckland will remain under the strictest restrictions after detecting 33 new cases, while mandatory masks and social distancing measures will be enforced across the rest of the country.

It's shameful for any first world nation to be still running with a zero covid strategy after 18 months.

 

[Mateyman]

It's shameful for any first world nation to be still running with a zero covid strategy after 18 months.

It's pretty stupid not to realise that you'd prefer to have zero covid while you increase the rate of vaccination than be in the situation NSW has been in the past four months.

 

[Evolved1]

It's pretty stupid not to realise that you'd prefer to have zero covid while you increase the rate of vaccination than be in the situation NSW has been in the past four months.

That's a strawman.

They've had 18 months to improvise and are still using lockdowns. Most Americans I speak to are shocked that we're doing the same in Melbourne.

 

[Mateyman]

That's a strawman.

They've had 18 months to improvise and are still using lockdowns. Most Americans I speak to are shocked that we're doing the same in Melbourne.

The scenario is that your population is not vaccinated. Given that, you have the alternative of a massive outbreak or zero Covid. It's pretty binary and pretty clear that in that scenario zero Covid is the best option while you increase vaccine rates.

 

[Evolved1]

The scenario is that your population is not vaccinated. Given that, you have the alternative of a massive outbreak or zero Covid. It's pretty binary and pretty clear that in that scenario zero Covid is the best option while you increase vaccine rates.

Victoria and NSW have scrapped the covid zero approach while increasing vaccination rates.

 

[Mateyman]

Victoria and NSW have scrapped the covid zero approach while increasing vaccination rates.

Yep and Victoria and NSW will have had to go through about 4 months of lockdown, while Auckland will probably be there for a much shorter period of time. Vic and NSW only changed strategy because they've failed at what NZ is doing now.

 

[Evolved1]

Yep and Victoria and NSW will have had to go through about 4 months of lockdown, while Auckland will probably be there for a much shorter period of time. Vic and NSW only changed strategy because they've failed at what NZ is doing now.

That's one way of spinning it.

Failure of the covid zero strategy is the best thing that's happened to Melbourne in a long time. That strategy can only lead to an endless cycle of failure.

 

[Mateyman]

That's one way of spinning it.

Failure of the covid zero strategy is the best thing that's happened to Melbourne in a long time. That strategy can only lead to an endless cycle of failure.

Yeah it's so great. I'm loving our extra months of lockdown while we take vaccines from places like WA to reduce the damage. It would've been better if it was 5 months of lockdown but I guess 3 is going to have to do.

 

[Todman]

Yep and Victoria and NSW will have had to go through about 4 months of lockdown, while Auckland will probably be there for a much shorter period of time. Vic and NSW only changed strategy because they've failed at what NZ is doing now.

NZ will have lockdowns next year because of zero covid policy. NSW won't but as for Dan he loves the effect he has on people.

 

[Mateyman]

NZ will have lockdowns next year because of zero covid policy. NSW won't but as for Dan he loves the effect he has on people.

No they won't. Much like Western Australia and Queensland, they will transition to where we are now from a position of strength, without having had to have months of lockdown. Pretty much exactly as laid out in the Doherty modelling

 

[Todman]

No they won't. Much like Western Australia and Queensland, they will transition to where we are now from a position of strength, without having had to have months of lockdown. Pretty much exactly as laid out in the Doherty modelling

dream on

 

[Mateyman]

dream on

It must be hard to maintain the cognitive dissonance about NSW being the gold standard when other places have demonstrably managed it miles better

 

[Crankyhawk]

That's a strawman.

They've had 18 months to improvise and are still using lockdowns. Most Americans I speak to are shocked that we're doing the same in Melbourne.

they were at the back of the queue for vaccines (and they knew it and stated it too).