News Jack Darling resumes with WCE

[mattyc75]

I wonder if zaharakis was seen as a turncoat for not getting the jab at essendon...

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[kane249]

I wonder if zaharakis was seen as a turncoat for not getting the jab at essendon...

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Just when you thought no one could post anything dumber, congrats on lowering the bar

 

[Forward Press]

I wonder if zaharakis was seen as a turncoat for not getting the jab at essendon...

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I hope you are taking the piss with that post.

 

[mattyc75]

Just when you thought no one could post anything dumber, congrats on lowering the bar

Why thank you

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[Avalor]

I reckon that the most disappointing part of this JD situation s not so much being anti-vax because people are going to think for themselves and that will lead to some people doing different things.

Rather it is the fact that it seems that he told the club that he would get vaxxed and then reneged. That hurts list management for a whole season. And that is not really very team oriented.

You could say that he is a selfish git, and you would be right.

 

[JEagle]

Every kid is vaccinated through a mandate otherwise they can’t go too school…

With vaccines that have decades of proven efficacy and results.

 

[JEagle]

We've not had a worldwide pandemic to deal with either.

IMo Living in the first world people have taken freedoms to new extremes. Not really suffered like others living in 3rd or even 2nd world nations. And people are much more self foxused and selfish here.

If you want to benefit from living here then follow the health directives. You dont well you lose some of those freedoms.

At this stage is it a pandemic or does Omicron mean it is Endemic?

We've not had a worldwide pandemic to deal with either.

IMo Living in the first world people have taken freedoms to new extremes. Not really suffered like others living in 3rd or even 2nd world nations. And people are much more self foxused and selfish here.

If you want to benefit from living here then follow the health directives. You dont well you lose some of those freedoms.

At this stage is it even a Pandemic or does Omicron mean it's Endemic? How many people under the age of 65 w out co morbidities actually die FROM Covid and not "with" Covid? For that matter how many over that age w out co morbidities die?

Fear is not a valid reason to allow encroaching authoritarianism. Those who are well travelled understand that many 2nd and 3rd world nations have far more freedom than seen in this Nanny country of ours.

Disclosure: I am double vacced.

 

[JEagle]

Let me add, if these vaccines were actually any good why is Pfizer trying to hold onto the research data for the next 75 years? It's morally reprehensible.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

With vaccines that have decades of proven efficacy and results.

Do you need more information than these charts?

Have fun waiting decades for results which are already plainly obvious to everyone whose head isn't buried in the sand or filled with ridiculous anti-vaccine propaganda.

 

[JEagle]

Do you need more information than these charts?

Have fun waiting decades for results which are already plainly obvious to everyone whose head isn't buried in the sand or filled with ridiculous anti-vaccine propaganda.

I'm vaccinated. It's better than not being for one who wants to protect against Covid depending on personal situation. My argument is the lack of choice. You know, that thing Democracy is supposed to be about.

Also, you'd have to break that data up by cohort. For example, what is the chance of a healthy 20 to 30 year old being hospitalised by Covid and suffering serious damage versus the same cohorts risk of a serious side effect like Myocarditis. Alot of European countries for example have banned Moderna for these age groups.

Choice is key. I prefer not to go down the authoritarian route out of some misguided fear.

 

[wadistance]

Its just a needle then why the fuss?

Thats what I don't understand.

Some people think they're so intelligent that they've discovered the WHO and the powers that be are genetically modifying us with experimental drugs.

Spare me.

 

[JEagle]

Do you need more information than these charts?

Have fun waiting decades for results which are already plainly obvious to everyone whose head isn't buried in the sand or filled with ridiculous anti-vaccine propaganda.

Using the term anti vacc is convenient, but it doesn't capture the large number of those who are vaccinated who deplore mandates. Call it being anti authoritarian. This is a slippery slope.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

I'm vaccinated. It's better than not being for one who wants to protect against Covid depending on personal situation. My argument is the lack of choice. You know, that thing Democracy is supposed to be about.

Also, you'd have to break that data up by cohort. For example, what is the chance of a healthy 20 to 30 year old being hospitalised by Covid and suffering serious damage versus the same cohorts risk of a serious side effect like Myocarditis. Alot of European countries for example have banned Moderna for these age groups.

Choice is key. I prefer not to go down the authoritarian route out of some misguided fear.

The risk of myocarditis for people aged 20-30 is still significantly lower than the risk of contracting Covid-related myocarditis, let alone all of the other health problems associated with Covid (including death).

You also have a choice. Still more than 10% of WA residents aged 12+ are not vaccinated, and nobody is forcing them to get vaccinated. What you seem to want is for people to be able to behave selfishly and recklessly while being free from any consequences of that behaviour. As it is, deciding to not get vaccinated may have an impact on your job, your freedom to travel, and being able to go to bars, restaurants, and so on.

The way that democracy works is that people vote for politicians who then create rules and laws. An election was held during the pandemic and Labor was returned to government in the biggest landslide in Australian electoral history. Another election will be held in a few years and if people feel that the restrictions on unvaccinated people are too harsh, then the Coalition or some other party are welcome to run on that platform, and if they win then they can change the rules. Democracy is not being able to do whatever you want; you're not allowed to drive drunk or carry around a machine gun for the hell of it.

 

[JEagle]

The risk of myocarditis for people aged 20-30 is still significantly lower than the risk of contracting Covid-related myocarditis, let alone all of the other health problems associated with Covid (including death).

You also have a choice. Still more than 10% of WA residents aged 12+ are not vaccinated, and nobody is forcing them to get vaccinated. What you seem to want is for people to be able to behave selfishly and recklessly while being free from any consequences of that behaviour. As it is, deciding to not get vaccinated may have an impact on your job, your freedom to travel, and being able to go to bars, restaurants, and so on.

The way that democracy works is that people vote for politicians who then create rules and laws. An election was held during the pandemic and Labor was returned to government in the biggest landslide in Australian electoral history. Another election will be held in a few years and if people feel that the restrictions on unvaccinated people are too harsh, then the Coalition or some other party are welcome to run on that platform, and if they win then they can change the rules. Democracy is not being able to do whatever you want; you're not allowed to drive drunk or carry around a machine gun for the hell of it.

How can you say with conviction that people have a choice? 100k fines for businesses, lose your job, no entry to events, bars, clubs etc. Where is the choice? It's holding a gun to people's head. The wealthy have a choice. Everyone is is just a slave.

How is it reckless not to get a vaccine that does not stop the spread of a virus? The hospital argument? They are going to be overwhelmed anyway. 100% vacc and ten boosters will not matter.

It will be amazing in 12 to 24 months time seeing the narrative around this change, and it will, when the economics of the situation force it to. People in WA are only happy because money is flowing. When it stops and the mines aren't running because people are at home with flu symptoms this pandemic will end. We are a year or two behind the curve of other nations i.e. UK.

Forcing someone to show you papers and your medical history to move around freely in your own nation is morally reprehensible. To say it is not coercion is absolute baloney.

 

[CM9000]

I'm vaccinated. It's better than not being for one who wants to protect against Covid depending on personal situation. My argument is the lack of choice. You know, that thing Democracy is supposed to be about.

Also, you'd have to break that data up by cohort. For example, what is the chance of a healthy 20 to 30 year old being hospitalised by Covid and suffering serious damage versus the same cohorts risk of a serious side effect like Myocarditis. Alot of European countries for example have banned Moderna for these age groups.

Choice is key. I prefer not to go down the authoritarian route out of some misguided fear.

Democracy isn’t about choice, its about having your decision actually matter i.e. being able to actually decide who leads your country. In this case, choosing not to get vaccinated means you will be negatively affecting people around you.

What the hell is “choice” as a value anyway? What, is choice more important than justice? Is it more important then human life? Does “choice” make your life better, or is it the fact your living in Australia that enables you to not have to worry about your water being contaminated?

”Choice” is a bullshit principle sprouted by white racists who owned hundreds of slaves 300 years ago. It doesn’t get more backward than that.

 

[Forward Press]

As usual, the 'muh freedoms' and 'my body my choice' crowd confuse it with the social contract and your responsibility to others.

 

[CM9000]

As usual, the 'muh freedoms' and 'my body my choice' crowd confuse it with the social contract and your responsibility to others.

As we all know, the Allies destroyed Fascism 75 years ago so that we can all have the freedom and choice to get chronically addicted to pornography, drop nearly 1k each weekend on cocaine and alcohol to have a near continuous bender, and elect leaders that maintain a status quo which will likely destroy our planet.

 

[pride of the West]

How can you say with conviction that people have a choice? 100k fines for businesses, lose your job, no entry to events, bars, clubs etc. Where is the choice? It's holding a gun to people's head. The wealthy have a choice. Everyone is is just a slave.

How is it reckless not to get a vaccine that does not stop the spread of a virus? The hospital argument? They are going to be overwhelmed anyway. 100% vacc and ten boosters will not matter.

It will be amazing in 12 to 24 months time seeing the narrative around this change, and it will, when the economics of the situation force it to. People in WA are only happy because money is flowing. When it stops and the mines aren't running because people are at home with flu symptoms this pandemic will end. We are a year or two behind the curve of other nations i.e. UK.

Forcing someone to show you papers and your medical history to move around freely in your own nation is morally reprehensible. To say it is not coercion is absolute baloney.

Give this man a price couldn’t have said it better my self.

 

[Forward Press]

As we all know, the Allies destroyed Fascism 75 years ago so that we can all have the freedom and choice to get chronically addicted to pornography, drop nearly 1k each weekend on cocaine and alcohol to have a near continuous bender, and elect leaders that maintain a status quo which will likely destroy our planet.

Stop stalking me.

 

[pride of the West]

Give this man a price couldn’t have said it better my self.

Prize. Rather

 

[pride of the West]

What a moron.

Why's he getting full pay?

Healthcare workers certainly weren't given this opportunity

Not getting full pay unless they can come to an agreement he’d get full pay like jones from Carlton.

 

[pride of the West]

What people seem to forget though, is that there have been vaccine mandates for 100's of jobs for years!!

My sister worked in child care and she had to have the whooping cough and flu vaccines. I worked in a job where we repaired waste pumps and had to have shots and vaccines for a range of things.
My mum is a nurse in kids ward and they have had to to have vaccines.

This is nothing new but why aren't there people out protesting against these vaccine mandates??

Yes however she didn’t have to work in that particular field she chose two.
Hooping cough vaccine wasn’t rushed out in a year.

 

[pride of the West]

What about people who have had the vaccine, but don't support vacc mandates? At least 10 to 20% of people who have been double jabbed would not have taken the vaccine bar for the punishment for not taking it. Let's be real, there is no choice for most people. Lose your job, get fined OR have your freedom of movement constricted.

Whilst I don't agree with his decision i 100% respect that he is sticking to his guns about it. That takes real guts.

I probably more close to 50 percent of people just got it done because they still wanted to put food on the table.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Yes however she didn’t have to work in that particular field she chose two.
Hooping cough vaccine wasn’t rushed out in a year.

Who cares if the Covid vaccines were "rushed out in a year?" There was a pandemic that was killing millions of people and wrecking the global economy. The vaccines have objectively saved tens of millions of lives and instead of celebrating this miracle of modern medicine and technology, people whinge about big pharma and we need to wait more years watching people needlessly drop dead before we start putting jabs into arms.

 

[wooshwhisperer]

Who cares if the Covid vaccines were "rushed out in a year?" There was a pandemic that was killing millions of people and wrecking the global economy. The vaccines have objectively saved tens of millions of lives and instead of celebrating this miracle of modern medicine and technology, people whinge about big pharma and we need to wait more years watching people needlessly drop dead before we start putting jabs into arms.

Its been quick in historical terms but technology changes that we have all seen in the last 20years, from cars to personal communications, has grown exponentially... and that is the case in all facets of medicine. It also help that governments threw a sh1t load of cash at it.