News Jack Dyer Stand -Demolition Has Begun

[Aristotle Pickett]

What world war 2 history? And saying because people went there to watch sport during WW2 does not pose any special significance.

The ground was significant as a meeting place tp keep up morale in Melbourne.
Jack Dyer was asked by the PM to not enlist and to entertain the Melbourne people by playing footy.
Besides that it is over 100 years old and a cultural landmark in Melbourne.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

It is architecturally significant for its era (minus signs and condition) but to look at that in isolation of other factors, to state function doesn't matter and to infer that any new development will have as much architectural value as Metricon Stadium is taking a very narrow view on reality.

The skipping vinegar girl has no function. The SCG grandstand was preserved.
The MCG has lost a lot of heritage, it looks like a lot of other stadiums now.

 

[TJASTA]

Aristotle Pickett, what are your qualifications since you know more than Heritage Victoria?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Aristotle Pickett, what are your qualifications since you know more than Heritage Victoria?

None, but I accept the view of those experts who have studied it and worked in the area all their lives.
I know we live in the trump era but expert opinion still counts.

 

[Groupie_]

I'm always embarrassed taking friends from interstate and overseas there. Maybe they're keeping it sh!t for Romper Stomper 2. He lives!!!!!

north richmond station best

 

[TJASTA]

None, but I accept the view of those experts who have studied it and worked in the area all their lives.
I know we live in the trump era but expert opinion still counts.

so you agree it's time to knock it down?
glad we now all in agreement

 

[Profop]

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It's not 'giant'. It takes up small amount of space. We don't need MCG dimensions or a community hub for non-Afl sports.

Right so now you’re saying a dilapidated unusable stand is more important than our women’s team and our community outreach programs for indigenous and Muslim youth?

Again just so you can look at it. Won’t be able to sit in it. Will only be able to look at it from the street because the VFL and AFLW will stop playing there and shift to where there are appropriate facilities and capacity for a crowd

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

so you agree it's time to knock it down?
glad we now all in agreement

I know it's all a joke to you but there are good people out their trying to preserve Melbourne's cultural heritage for future generations and Melbourne doesn't have a heap of preserved cultural heritage because we are a young country .

 

[Sterge]

The ground was significant as a meeting place tp keep up morale in Melbourne.
Jack Dyer was asked by the PM to not enlist and to entertain the Melbourne people by playing footy.
Besides that it is over 100 years old and a cultural landmark in Melbourne.

Do you have any actual evidence for these claims?

All I can find is Curtin asked him to remain a police officer

 

[Sterge]

I know it's all a joke to you but there are good people out their trying to preserve Melbourne's cultural heritage for future generations and Melbourne doesn't have a heap of preserved cultural heritage because we are a young country .

What exactly is culturally significant about it besides it being a bit old? There is no special design elements, it's just made out of plain red bricks no different to any stand at any other sporting ground

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Right so now you’re saying a dilapidated unusable stand is more important than our women’s team and our community outreach programs for indigenous and Muslim youth?

Again just so you can look at it. Won’t be able to sit in it. Will only be able to look at it from the street because the VFL and AFLW will stop playing there and shift to where there are appropriate facilities and capacity for a crowd

Average argument that keeping the grandsrand is going to adversly affect Indiginous youth.
From what I've read on this thread it's a mammoth grandstand stopping 5 buildings being built.
Put the community rooms somewhere else or hire space at the MCG or somewhere else close.

 

[beema limapep]

None, but I accept the view of those experts who have studied it and worked in the area all their lives.
I know we live in the trump era but expert opinion still counts.

So you have the same number of qualifications and the same level of expertise as the average punter here, but your opinion is more important?

 

[TJASTA]

I know it's all a joke to you but there are good people out their trying to preserve Melbourne's cultural heritage for future generations and Melbourne doesn't have a heap of preserved cultural heritage because we are a young country .

Yes, well aware that Heritage Victoria do great work. Thanks for the reminder

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Do you have any actual evidence for these claims?

All I can find is Curtin asked him to remain a police officer

It is well known ge was asked to stay. He was a major celebrity at the time.

'A policeman by day, Dyer was so angst-ridden about whether he should enlist in World War II - and so well-connected - that he arranged a meeting with prime minister John Curtin, who told him the Diggers at the front loved hearing stories of Captain Blood and he must keep playing football.'

With love, to Capt Blood

Jack Dyer jnr thinks of his late father often, and lately it warms him all the more.

www.google.com

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

So you have the same number of qualifications and the same level of expertise as the average punter here, but your opinion is more important?

My opinion is not important but Australia's historian's opinion is.

 

[beema limapep]

My opinion is not important but Australia's historian's opinion is.

To you, because it fits your personal opinion, which is what the last 2 pages is all about.

Heritage Victoria on the other hand...

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Average argument that keeping the grandsrand is going to adversly affect Indiginous youth.
From what I've read on this thread it's a mammoth grandstand stopping 5 buildings being built.
Put the community rooms somewhere else or hire space at the MCG or somewhere else close.

exactly, there are heaps of ways to do this, while still retaining the last significant extant pre-war structure in Yarra Park precinct (Joliment station itself perhaps also?).

The JDS is one of the most significant ways that we retain connection to place at Punt Road oval, which is what the Gamadji centre is all about.

 

[beema limapep]

She is destroying history to satify corporate sponsors. Her background is all corporate, she has no qualifications in hertage listings and has no appreciation of Australia's history.
She has successfully bought off Rhett Bartlett and Jack Dyers son with the threat of having to move away from punt rd which is an exaggerated argument.

Wow. Somehow I missed this post. Some of these statements are extremely poor.

What about growing the game for women's football, under-represented groups of the community as well as improved training facilities for all teams that the club fields?

 

[Tiger2709]

I'm gonna chain myself to the stand

Damn then we can only have 19 people sitting in the stand.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Wow. Somehow I missed this post. Some of these statements are extremely poor.

What about growing the game for women's football, under-represented groups of the community as well as improved training facilities for all teams that the club fields?

It can all be done quite easily, just needs a bit of creativity and money.

Don't buy the blackmail line from the club that we have to leave if we cant bulldoze the JDS.

And don't buy any cost argument, when the proposed development is costed for a 4 storey underground carpark, there is enough money available to build a new stand AND refurb the JDS several times over!

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Wow. Somehow I missed this post. Some of these statements are extremely poor.

What about growing the game for women's football, under-represented groups of the community as well as improved training facilities for all teams that the club fields?

It's not a valid argument to suggest preserving the grandstand will prevent AFLW or stop other community/Indigenous programs.

 

[Tiger2709]

I know it's all a joke to you but there are good people out their trying to preserve Melbourne's cultural heritage for future generations and Melbourne doesn't have a heap of preserved cultural heritage because we are a young country .

You still have coffee shops and graffiti, so much graffiti, oh sorry I mean modern art.

 

[Bojangles17]

Pretty sure the existing car park areas are being swallowed up by the new stand (taking up all the physical space we can) hence putting the car parking underground

No it won’t that wouldn’t be allowed

 

[beema limapep]

It can all be done quite easily, just needs a bit of creativity and money.

Don't buy the blackmail line from the club that we have to leave if we cant bulldoze the JDS.

And don't buy any cost argument, when the proposed development is costed for a 4 storey underground carpark, there is enough money available to build a new stand AND refurb the JDS several times over!

What's the cost of keeping the stand and pursuing another option of equivalent value and function to the club, vs the current plan?

If this is even physically possible.

 

[Profop]

It's not a valid argument to suggest preserving the grandstand will prevent AFLW or stop other community/Indigenous programs.

How is it not valid? You clearly can’t fit any proper facilities there currently. We have the AFLW rooms in portables, I had better facilities at every ground I played at in the VAFA

You could base all the women and community programs elsewhere but the club has identified that having everyone in the same location builds the type of connection that has allowed our club to thrive. I think the positives of having that one club mentality far outweighs anything you get from a stand you can’t sit in