News Jack Dyer Stand -Demolition Has Begun

[beema limapep]

That's typical of council. They are in the pocket of the developers.

And they hide cameras in bins, but just yours. Nobody else's.

 

[beema limapep]

then the battle will begin in earnest!

It's already over.

 

[Bojangles17]

The plans do look really good , and I love old buildings , our former developments kinda looks out of place , anyways that can be stage II in 20 plus years , long live the RFC at Punt rd

 

[Bojangles17]

That's typical of council. They are in the pocket of the developers.

I was involved in a development in an inner city council , was surprised how supportive they were , was the local objectors that were hard work and was prob our naivety in certain sections that cost us 12m ,had we engaged professionals im sure we would have done it in half the time or maybe not , just $hitloads more $$

 

[A Tiger 4 lyf]

Common sense prevails

Thank Jeebus


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[johnno77]

My informed opinion is as I've already stated. I'd like it to be retained, I think that its significant enough that if it can reasonably be retained it should be, but that its not so sacrosanct that it can't be demolished.

I've actually worked on something similar before where we had to assess an old grandstand just for very minor work, and there is a whole range of issues that could make it completely unviable to retain. Anything from the building not being structurally sound to support any work, to just straight up not having the space inside to bring it up to the various modern building codes (wheelchair access, fire safety, the works). The work required to make it legally usable may gut the building so completely that you might as well knock it down. That's surprisingly common. The alternative then is to just let it rot, in which case you've arrived at the same outcome.

There's also a completely different aspect to cultural heritage, which is that its not the building that is significant, but the place/use. Think about the mcg, none of its grandstands are original. Yet its undoubtedly a cultural and heritage icon. Thats because its the fact of playing sports there and being the heart of the Melbourne sporting landscape which makes it heritage, not the buildings themselves. The heritage of the mcg will be retained as long as its is the sporting capital of Melbourne.

Punt Road is the same. Who honestly knows what the grandstand looks like off the top of your head, other than just picturing a generic old grandstand? Its known as the home of the Richmond football club, that's the heritage value of the site. That will stay as long as the club stays. So while it would be nice to keep the grandstand, its really not the true heritage of the site. Think of Waverley, theres still a grandstand there but is it really significant anymore?

This idea of intangible heritage is something that is being considered far more nowadays, particularly as we start to care about aboriginal heritage more and more, as most often they have sites which are incredibly significant even though there is no building that a traditional Western viewpoint would look at as a prerequisite.

Excellent post. I guess my reservations about it are that they won't keep any structural integrity regarding the original stand. Your point about Waverley is very well made. Keeping a Grandstand around a ground that no longer has people watching it is pointless. Also, that should never, ever have been heritage listed. It is ugly AF. At least the Jack Dyer Stand has some character.

Knock it down if they must but find some common ground. Keep some character. Too many amazing buildings in this country and across the world have come down just because of 'progress' only to be replaced by ugly and impractical 'improvements'. I hope the Richmond F.C show some restraint and common sense in this. If not, I hope the Richmond C.C get their ground back that they were kicked out of a decade ago to make way for footy.

 

[Groupie_]

The plans do look really good , and I love old buildings , our former developments kinda looks out of place , anyways that can be stage II in 20 plus years , long live the RFC at Punt rd
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looks like the old povo stand at victoria park

 

[BF Tiger]

How much will they be selling a brick/bench for, and where can I get one?

 

[theyellowsash]

looks like the old povo stand at victoria park

That makes it of heritage value to some, simply because it looks like an old thing

 

[KiwiTiger]

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if you had to pick which way you see this going would you say we're getting approved or looking for land out in the sticks to build a new training hub.

I would say definitely the former in my view.

Haere Ra

 

[Punt rd end]

 

[Sterge]

Are they the experts that say we can't fix the flinders st underpass because there are tiles with 'do not spit' on them, yet allow the palais theatre to be gutted and torn down?

Wasn't the palais one of the ones that 'mysteriously' burned down while they were still arguing about tearing it down?

Now quickly bomb the joint before the greenies tie it up in court forever.

 

[KiwiTiger]

She is destroying history to satify corporate sponsors. Her background is all corporate, she has no qualifications in hertage listings and has no appreciation of Australia's history.
She has successfully bought off Rhett Bartlett and Jack Dyers son with the threat of having to move away from punt rd which is an exaggerated argument.

That's interesting.

So despite the development decision being a Board one in the best interests of the members, you state the President is satisfying corporate interests and has bought off Rhett and Jack Dyer's Son.

Who are these corporate sponsors you speak of and how has she bought off Rhett and the Dyer family?

Haere Ra

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

That's interesting.

So despite the development decision being a Board one in the best interests of the members, you state the President is satisfying corporate interests and has bought off Rhett and Jack Dyer's Son.

Who are these corporate sponsors you speak of and how has she bought off Rhett and the Dyer family?

Haere Ra

Everyone who has approved it is to blame. Jack Dyer's son got fed a balony sandwhich, Rhett doesn't want to rock the boat even though it's his paid job to preserve the history.
Benny and Peggy made the decision and used threats of leaving if they didn't get it approved.
I'm not sure it's in the best interests of members either.
You can have a redevelopment and keep the stand .

 

[Punt rd end]

That wasnt under the stand , lol, it was the Richmond social club where the new section now is ,you must have had a few

Memories of the sun coming up

 

[SunshineBoy]

That wasnt under the stand , lol, it was the Richmond social club where the new section now is ,you must have had a few

Absolutely , scored a couple goals there

 

[KiwiTiger]

Everyone who has approved it is to blame. Jack Dyer's son got fed a balony sandwhich, Rhett doesn't want to rock the boat even though it's his paid job to preserve the history.
Benny and Peggy made the decision and used threats of leaving if they didn't get it approved.
I'm not sure it's in the best interests of members either.
You can have a redevelopment and keep the stand .

To blame for what exactly?

Haere Ra

 

[SunshineBoy]

Wasn't the palais one of the ones that 'mysteriously' burned down while they were still arguing about tearing it down?



Now quickly bomb the joint before the greenies tie it up in court forever.

Isn’t the Melbourne City Council dominated by greenies?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

To blame for what exactly?

Haere Ra

For advocating to destroy the stand.

 

[SunshineBoy]

To blame for what exactly?

Haere Ra

Don’t worry about Aristotle Onassis he’s still bitter about Olympic Airways

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Isn’t the Melbourne City Council dominated by greenies?

Doesn't look like it. Maybe 5 Greens from if I'm looking through my Greendar.

 

[Sterge]

For advocating to destroy the stand.

How does what jack dyers son and rhett bartlett think matter to anything?

Benny and peggy are about whats best for the club and what is best for the club is having a usable space, and whats best for the members is having a better place to watch vfl and aflw games.

The only thing i disagree with is not keeping the name for the new stand.

 

[Sterge]

Doesn't look like it.

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What does a greenie look like exactly?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I reckon there's only 4, I've marked them with green dots.
The others look pro-development.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

How does what jack dyers son and rhett bartlett think matter to anything?

Benny and peggy are about whats best for the club and what is best for the club is having a usable space, and whats best for the members is having a better place to watch vfl and aflw games.

The only thing i disagree with is not keeping the name for the new stand.

Bartlett is the club historian .