Oppo Camp Jack Ginnivan (Traded to Hawks 2023)

[NMBB]

‘Moll’ FFS!

Standards, please

Thanks for that - I was hesitant to get involved but "mole" vs "moll" is only understood by a select few.

 

[sr36]

I may have misunderstood

MagpieJo were you insinuating the re-poster was a gangster's girlfriend / lady of the night?

I think we've got our molls crossed. I'm now really confused I thought he was going out of his way to make sure it was not a reference to Ginni's mound as the hill of a moll, but rather to the burrowing animal, whereas you were smuttily insisting that we refer to him as a moll - which would have been in character.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

I think we've got our molls crossed. I'm now really confused I thought he was going out of his way to make sure it was not a reference to Ginni's mound as the hill of a moll, but rather to the burrowing animal, whereas you were smuttily insisting that we refer to him as a moll - which would have been in character.

Prince Andrew should be in gaol?

 

[NMBB]

Prince Andrew should be in gaol?

Worse - locked up with Charles and Camilla

 

[sideswipe]

I think we've got our molls crossed. I'm now really confused I thought he was going out of his way to make sure it was not a reference to Ginni's mound as the hill of a moll, but rather to the burrowing animal, whereas you were smuttily insisting that we refer to him as a moll - which would have been in character.

Or a pier?

 

[Pie eyed]

And another thing, by 3/4 time on Sunday he’d kicked half our score. At 19. In the biggest and most hyped H & A game in years if not decades.

To nitpick aspects of his game is to ignore the benefits he brings. And he’s exciting. The noise level goes up when he gets near the ball. He knows it. We know it. What’s not to love about that?

Eddie Betts was a liarising , "gangster", smoking cigars and nightclubbing his first couple of years.
He got better and his personality got tempered with age, as with everybody.

Now he is held up as a role model for all indigenous players and is keenly sort to make clubs better.

Ginny is on the same trajectory.

Good on him.

Viva la differance.....

 

[sr36]

Or a pier?

I didn't know that meaning. Maybe he meant a chocolate based main course.

 

[sideswipe]

I didn't know that meaning. Maybe he meant a chocolate based main course.

its just the sauce not the course

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Did he really though? He got asked a leading question by Sarah Jones in the middles of the MCG. No criticism of her but it was a lead in for him to say something about how he was coping. He mentioned the mandatory mental health concerns and also said its beautiful, I'm happy, I've got great support etc etc

Ginny strikes me as a resilient kid loving his career. He is a self professed antagonist and annoyer, he plays to the crowd. Against Carlton after kicking a goal he went to the Carlton section of the crowd to give them a bit of whatever. Little hobbyhorse of mine but mental health issues are bandied about too easily these days. I dont think there is enough info out there for any of us to know the state of Jacks mental health

I think he did. His words, if I remember correctly, were that it had taken its toll on his mental health. Some people are choosing to conflate that with having a mental health disorder/condition, or having mental health problems.

On face value, all he is saying is that the attention is a negative influence on his mental health. Which I find entirely believable. Akin to saying that having an open box of chocolates in the house, has a negative impact on your diet; it doesn’t mean you are obese or have diabetes.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I think he did. His words, if I remember correctly, were that it had taken its toll on his mental health. Some people are choosing to conflate that with having a mental health disorder, or having mental health problems.

On face value, all he is saying is that the attention is a negative influence on his mental health. Which I find entirely believable. Akin to saying that having an open box of chocolates in the house, has a negative impact on your diet, it doesn’t mean you have diabetes or are obese.

I find it believable but if I was Ginnivan it's not an admission I'd have made to the outside world. He invited the attention and appears to thrive on it also in most circumstances.

 

[vinnievavoom]

I find it believable but if I was Ginnivan it's not an admission I'd have made to the outside world. He invited the attention and appears to thrive on it also in most circumstances.

I find it believable but if I was TGG it's not an admission I'd have made to the outside world (Implying that Ginni shouldn't share is negative experiences with the social media/pop media when interviewed). He invited the attention (Posting on BF) and appears to thrive on it also in most circumstances.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I find it believable but if I was TGG it's not an admission I'd have made to the outside world (Implying that Ginni shouldn't share is negative experiences with the social media/pop media when interviewed). He invited the attention (Posting on BF) and appears to thrive on it also in most circumstances.

I think he should not have revealed a chink in his armour to opposition supporters and players. He cultivated a reputation as the cheekiest and boldest 19 year old in the competition. If he had misgivings, he should have kept them in house - he has a great support network. That's my opinion.

 

[OniAu]

I think he should not have revealed a chink in his armour to opposition supporters and players. He cultivated a reputation as the cheekiest and boldest 19 year old in the competition. If he had misgivings, he should have kept them in house - he has a great support network. That's my opinion.

I understand what you mean with this but i dont agree. The grubbiest of supporters and i guess players would have a go at him for it, plus even Robbo and Goddard who have both implied its the boy who cried wolf. Majority wouldnt, i think its quite respected to show those grievances and struggles and hes working through them positively

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

I understand what you mean with this but i dont agree. The grubbiest of supporters and i guess players would have a go at him for it, plus even Robbo and Goddard who have both implied its the boy who cried wolf. Majority wouldnt, i think its quite respected to show those grievances and struggles and hes working through them positively

Except that he has now added to the pressure on him with the photo that's doing the rounds of social media.

You are entitled to an opinion and I don't believe I speak for the majority. I just hold a different view.

He played well last week and that is what is most important in our bid for a successful final's campaign.

 

[gouki88]

Except that he has now added to the pressure on him with the photo that's doing the rounds of social media.

You are entitled to an opinion and I don't believe I speak for the majority. I just hold a different view.

He played well last week and that is what is most important in our bid for a successful final's campaign.

Has he? It seems to be a complete nonissue as far as I can see

 

[jonbe54]

I understand what you mean with this but i dont agree. The grubbiest of supporters and i guess players would have a go at him for it, plus even Robbo and Goddard who have both implied its the boy who cried wolf. Majority wouldnt, i think its quite respected to show those grievances and struggles and hes working through them positively

Yep ignore the peanut gallery and just move forward with the rest of the adults.

 

[OniAu]

Has he? It seems to be a complete nonissue as far as I can see

I havent even heard of the latest

 

[gouki88]

I havent even heard of the latest

Yeah, and very little comes up when you google it beyond Murdoch rags having a whinge about some "lewd" photo.

 

[Pie eyed]

Couldn't agree more with the bolded bit. Practically anyone can and does claim to have a mental health issue, making it an expression to avoid if seeking sympathy for a genuine personal issue or concern. Only the word 'wellness' irks me as much as the expression 'mental health issue'.

As for Jack, if you're going to dish it out, you have to learn to take it. I suppose the publicity he will now attract for the photo (the story is also behind 'The Australian' paywall) will add to his issues, for which he will have no one to blame but himself. As you say, he seems resilient enough to be able to avoid playing the sympathy card if his actions leave him feeling he may have slightly overplayed his hand.

Politician and Criminal (closely related professions) seem to use it to excuse all manner of skullduggery, at the expense and legitimacy of those actually effected.
John Barilaro is one who pops directly to mind.

 

[vinnievavoom]

I think he should not have revealed a chink in his armour to opposition supporters and players. He cultivated a reputation as the cheekiest and boldest 19 year old in the competition. If he had misgivings, he should have kept them in house - he has a great support network. That's my opinion.

Fair enough. I think we've locked horns on this matter before. I see it another way. He just answered the question honestly. I don't see it as showing weakness.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Has he? It seems to be a complete nonissue as far as I can see

Maybe so, but The Australian newspaper was running the story which I couldn't read because it was behind a paywall. It may be minor, but it's still added pressure on him that he doesn't really need on top of all he has gone through this year.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Yep ignore the peanut gallery and just move forward with the rest of the adults.

You won't read this because you have me on ignore, but I am thinking of the impact of yet another minor controversy on Ginnivan, not aiming it as a criticism of him. People are on about his admission that all the attention he had received had contributed to his mental health issues and are defending his public admission of them. Surely he doesn't need yet another self induced controversy to intensify any mental health concerns? That's the only point I was making out of this latest very minor incident which the media could exploit and further upset him.

 

[noideaatall]

You won't read this because you have me on ignore, but I am thinking of the impact of yet another minor controversy on Ginnivan, not aiming it as a criticism of him. People are on about his admission that all the attention he had received had contributed to his mental health issues and are defending his public admission of them. Surely he doesn't need yet another self induced controversy to intensify any mental health concerns? That's the only point I was making out of this latest very minor incident which the media could exploit and further upset him.

Change the wording to impacted his mental health, leave out the word issues. I think what is going on here is a generational difference in meaning & understanding around the term mental health. Maybe if the word health was substituted with wellbeing Ginni's original comment would have been viewed differently.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

People are on about his admission that all the attention he had received had contributed to his mental health issues and are defending his public admission of them. Surely he doesn't need yet another self induced controversy to intensify any mental health concerns?

He doesn’t have “mental health concerns”, you pillock.

Saying that ongoing unwanted attention takes a toll on your mental health, is no different to saying staying up late scrolling through social media is bad for your mental health, or poor sleep is bad for your mental health, or arguing with trolls on BigFooty takes a toll on your mental health.

Mental health is not some binary state of “healthy” or “unhealthy”. There are activities/practices/habits that are beneficial or protective for your mental health as a whole, and then there’s the shit that Ginni is subject to. It doesn’t mean he has “mental health concerns”, he is merely subject to stressors he could well do without, and he has enough insight to recognise it.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

He doesn’t have “mental health concerns”, you pillock.

Saying that ongoing unwanted attention takes a toll on your mental health, is no different to saying staying up late scrolling through social media is bad for your mental health, or poor sleep is bad for your mental health, or arguing with trolls on BigFooty takes a toll on your mental health.

Mental health is not some binary state of “healthy” or “unhealthy”. There are activities/practices/habits that are beneficial or protective for your mental health as a whole, and then there’s the s**t that Ginni is subject to. It doesn’t mean he has “mental health concerns”, he is merely subject to stressors he could well do without, and he has enough insight to recognise it.

Ginnivan himself referred to his mental health being affected, not 'stressors'. If he 'has enough insight to recognise it' then why didn't he utilise that insight and use that word rather than falling back on the most overworked wellness related term 'mental health'? All very well for you to say I have used terms inappropriate to the man's situation when I have been careful to employ the term he used in reference to himself.