Confirmed Jackson Macrae: To Saints p/of 4-way trade: B. Smith (WB) & pick 45 to Geel / pick 38 to Carl / Macrae (WB) to StK / pick 17 & Kennedy (Carl) to WB

[aussierulesrules]

It's only a salary dump if we need to free up salary cap, which we don't. Macrae has said he wants to leave and Saints are keen on him despite the contract. Whilst I don't imagine we'll get a lot for him we will get something.

I agree that you’ll get something for him, but I don’t agree that you don’t need to free up cap space.

It would be appalling business to keep a guy who is fringe- and possibly slated to become even more fringe- on your books on over $800K, when you’ll need loads of cap space to re-sign Bont, Darcy and Richards (who might all get offers of well over $1million PA next year- Darcy’s might be nudging 2) and you’ll also want cap space free to target guys who play in all those positions you guys are telling us you’re deficient in.

Getting Macrae’s 2025 contract off your books now allows you to front-end some contracts for next year, so that you’ve got an extra $800K to play with in 12 months time.

No club in their right minds would rather be playing a fringe guy over $800K than having that money free to go and target guys who they see as actually being best 22, and who play in positions of current deficiency.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Macrae is not a salary dump He's requesting a leave to get playing time. The HS is a nothing article.

 

[jimmytigs]

this will be racing neal bullen dees/crows as the simplest fastest quickest trade done=relax

 

[BringFevBack2021]

I agree that you’ll get something for him, but I don’t agree that you don’t need to free up cap space.

It would be appalling business to keep a guy who is fringe- and possibly slated to become even more fringe- on your books on over $800K, when you’ll need loads of cap space to re-sign Bont, Darcy and Richards (who might all get offers of well over $1million PA next year- Darcy’s might be nudging 2) and you’ll also want cap space free to target guys who play in all those positions you guys are telling us you’re deficient in.

Getting Macrae’s 2025 contract off your books now allows you to front-end some contracts for next year, so that you’ve got an extra $800K to play with in 12 months time.

No club in their right minds would rather be playing a fringe guy over $800K than having that money free to go and target guys who they see as actually being best 22, and who play in positions of current deficiency.

Exactly

In 2020 WBD gave 1814 in points value and got 1687 back + Treloar

So effectively, they gave up something like pick 60 for Treloar to take half of his contract

Why is this so hard to understand

 

[threenewpadlocks]

It's only a salary dump if we need to free up salary cap, which we don't. Macrae has said he wants to leave and Saints are keen on him despite the contract. Whilst I don't imagine we'll get a lot for him we will get something.

Just because we don't need to free up salary cap like Pies did when they handed us Treloar (in the literal sense that we'd otherwise be over the salary cap), doesn't meant that there isn't significant benefit to getting freeing up the room in the first place. Even at worst, we renegotiate some long-term contracts to front-load them, and go into future years with more cap room than expected - which is at worst, and still clearly of benefit.

We can leverage the fact that we can afford to keep Macrae into slightly better draft picks as part of the trade - clearly the trade isn't going to be for a nominal third-round pick or whatever and we will get something meaningful (an upgrade from 32 to 24 like many have suggested is an obvious starting point), but to say that we also wouldn't benefit is the point. It's still a worse trade pick than what Macrae would get from the Saints, holding all else equal, if his new contract was a normal two-year deal for say 500k a year - it would probably be Macrae + F3 for pick 24.

 

[Mofra]

I didn't think the Saints will have 24 on the table at all.
This trade seems more opportunistic than strategic. I wouldn't be surprised is we ask for a current & future 3rd and we end up with a 2024 3rd and some extra points next year for FS bids.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Article in the HS today saying he’s on over $800K for each of the next two years.

Unless WB pay some of it, this will be a salary dump.

Darcy, Bont and Richards OOC next year and two of them will be getting enormous pay rises. They’re going to want that $1.6mil+ in particular off their books ASAP.

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Like you've said, you don't even need this to be a tight cap though, just not paying a guy borderline best 22, top 5 player wages. Seems like it will be a win for all parties and will be done with no fuss.

It is crazy how quick a player value can drop though.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Like you've said, you don't even need this to be a tight cap though, just not paying a guy borderline best 22, top 5 playrt wages. Seems like it will be a win for all parties and will be done with bo fuss.

It is crazy how quick a player value can drop though.

We were caught undone a bit with the evolution of the game over the last 3 years in that pacy players in midfield is more important than it ever was before. When we signed Macrae to his lengthy deal in 2022, we didn't know that being slow would be such a weakness for Macrae (it always was) in its importance by the 2024-2027 period.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Dogs trade Macrae 44 get 28 & F4
Essendon trade Laverde 28 & F4 get 43 44 & F3
Saints get Laverde & Macrae give 43 & F3

Can we give you another pick & let Essendon keep Laverde?

 

[Doggy]

I agree that you’ll get something for him, but I don’t agree that you don’t need to free up cap space.

It would be appalling business to keep a guy who is fringe- and possibly slated to become even more fringe- on your books on over $800K, when you’ll need loads of cap space to re-sign Bont, Darcy and Richards (who might all get offers of well over $1million PA next year- Darcy’s might be nudging 2) and you’ll also want cap space free to target guys who play in all those positions you guys are telling us you’re deficient in.

Getting Macrae’s 2025 contract off your books now allows you to front-end some contracts for next year, so that you’ve got an extra $800K to play with in 12 months time.

No club in their right minds would rather be playing a fringe guy over $800K than having that money free to go and target guys who they see as actually being best 22, and who play in positions of current deficiency.

Nice pitch Mr List Manager

 

[Falchoon]

I didn't think the Saints will have 24 on the table at all.
This trade seems more opportunistic than strategic. I wouldn't be surprised is we ask for a current & future 3rd and we end up with a 2024 3rd and some extra points next year for FS bids.

not at $800k

I think this is one of those trades that defies Bigfooty generic logic on wage/pick value

In this case the higher the wage taken on, the lesser pick on offer.

At full take on of wage this is a 3rd rounder. At $400k, maybe a 2nd rounder.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

I agree that you’ll get something for him, but I don’t agree that you don’t need to free up cap space.

It would be appalling business to keep a guy who is fringe- and possibly slated to become even more fringe- on your books on over $800K, when you’ll need loads of cap space to re-sign Bont, Darcy and Richards (who might all get offers of well over $1million PA next year- Darcy’s might be nudging 2) and you’ll also want cap space free to target guys who play in all those positions you guys are telling us you’re deficient in.

Getting Macrae’s 2025 contract off your books now allows you to front-end some contracts for next year, so that you’ve got an extra $800K to play with in 12 months time.

No club in their right minds would rather be playing a fringe guy over $800K than having that money free to go and target guys who they see as actually being best 22, and who play in positions of current deficiency.

You're putting way too much store in the AFL media here, aussie...

Unless you are actually Tom Browne

 

[Ash1337]

Dogs reportedly want 24 for Macrae. I guess that involves paying some of the cap.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Do the dogs need picks for this draft or next years one?

 

[_Cerberus_]

Do the dogs need picks for this draft or next years one?

This one.

Our draft hand sucks. This draft has the type of players we need. So it is the right draft to address our positional and list needs.

Development needed sooner to cover looming retirements. And the FS picks next year dont scream A graders at this point in time.

 

[Significant]

Dogs reportedly want 24 for Macrae. I guess that involves paying some of the cap.

Why would we want to use Pick 24?

 

[Ash1337]

Why would we want to use Pick 24?

Not saying they will. Someone has said that saints is considering offering 43 & F3 for Macrae so 24 is not far off that. They might trade that for a pick like 28 from dons or 26 from gold coast and give that to dogs.

 

[The Inbetweener]

FWIW someone on our board who has been spot on previously said Macrae’s money is:
2025 - $700k
2026 - $500k
2027 - $500k

Which is obviously a bit different to what the Herald Sun is reporting.

If if it what I’ve listed above I think we will rightly hold him for a good pick. Obviously if he is on $800k the next two years it’s a different story.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

FWIW someone on our board who has been spot on previously said Macrae’s money is:
2025 - $700k
2026 - $500k
2027 - $500k

Which is obviously a bit different to what the Herald Sun is reporting.

If if it what I’ve listed above I think we will rightly hold him for a good pick. Obviously if he is on $800k the next two years it’s a different story.

I understand whether he's earning $500k or potentially up to $800k depends on triggers/bonuses (that he still might meet merely from getting selected, keeping himself fit an playing vaguely up to an okay standard). So as a lot of these things go, both the Herald Sun and the poster are correct.

 

[EconomicDecline]

Pick 24 is overs. Rather take it to the draft. Even value in keeping 43 for NGA and F/S.

 

[ScrappyDo]

People getting too hung up on his trade value.
He's not in future plans for the Dogs and well loved at the club. It will be handled respectively by all parties and the Dogs will take unders unless it's insulting, which it won't be.

 

[puntking]

Will be 43 if they lucky tbh

 

[Pencil case]

People getting too hung up on his trade value.
He's not in future plans for the Dogs and well loved at the club. It will be handled respectively by all parties and the Dogs will take unders unless it's insulting, which it won't be.

As long as it’s not 43 and a future third which is what is being rumoured, I think Dogs will be happy to take unders. Pick 24 sounds about right.

 

[scooter600x]

I've stolen this from someone else but I don't know how to link it, so I'll cut and paste it.

"Cal Twomey stated that the deal for Alex Neal-Bullen

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will be the 1st trade completed on Day One for Adelaide's pick 25.

ANB is a half forward who kicked 9 goals this year, has never been All Australian and never finished in the top 5 of the Dees B&F. He will be 29 when next season starts. He is contracted for 2 more seasons.

Jack Macrae turned 30 last month. He is contracted for 3 more seasons, is a 3x AA who has consistently been in the Top 5 of the Sutton Medal, yet pick 24 is too much for the Saints to give up?? Pick 43 is more realistic? What am I missing here? In what world is ANB more valuable than Jack Macrae?"

 

[Pencil case]

I've stolen this from someone else but I don't know how to link it, so I'll cut and paste it.

"Cal Twomey stated that the deal for Alex Neal-Bullen

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Alex Neal-bullen

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

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Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

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15.3

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8.7

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HB

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4star

M

2.8

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T

4.1

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G

0.8

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D

10.5

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K

6.0

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4.5

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M

2.0

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G

1.5

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10.0

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K

5.0

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HB

5.0

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M

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G

1.0

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will be the 1st trade completed on Day One for Adelaide's pick 25.

ANB is a half forward who kicked 9 goals this year, has never been All Australian and never finished in the top 5 of the Dees B&F. He will be 29 when next season starts. He is contracted for 2 more seasons.

Jack Macrae turned 30 last month. He is contracted for 3 more seasons, is a 3x AA who has consistently been in the Top 5 of the Sutton Medal, yet pick 24 is too much for the Saints to give up?? Pick 43 is more realistic? What am I missing here? In what world is ANB more valuable than Jack Macrae?"

There’s no way pick 43 gets the deal done.