Oppo Camp Jaidyn Stephenson (Traded to Nth Melb. 2020)

[sr36]

You're missing the point... We're not debating as to whether we think he deliberately spot fixed. The debate is whether betting on yourself to kick x number of goals etc is spot fixing.

We all agree that he wouldn't have done it with the intention of spot fixing.

I would have thought the fixing part is intentional by definition. Thus it wasn't spot fixing.

 

[jmac70]

If he bets on himself to kick say... 2 goals and he's lining up for a third and kicks it out on the full.
Every single person who put a bet on him to kick 3 or more is kicking the door down asking for their money back.

It's literally the definition of Spot Fixing.

If....that’s your first word. If.

He didn’t try to fix the game. You know this to be true. Yet you want to argue otherwise.

Why?

 

[PicaBoo]

The only idiot here is anyone suggesting a Stephenson Delisting.

Only if I
a) was serious
b) repeat the claim 3 times
c) joke about it with mate,
only then perhaps I could agree.
I hope this time you got sarcasm detector on though.
But let me make a different point: He has become a good to elite player quite quickly but he has failed as a professional player.
Up to him to make that step .

 

[CFC2010]

I would have thought the fixing part is intentional by definition. Thus it wasn't spot fixing.

Foxfooty highlighted the torpedo in the Saints game.........was it done to reach the betting goal tally?

It’s a Pandora’s box that plenty of people are not grasping IMO.

I think he got off lightly today.

 

[wicksy]

If....that’s your first word. If.

He didn’t try to fix the game. You know this to be true. Yet you want to argue otherwise.

Why?

Holy crap JMac... Please....

I'm not arguing he spot fixed a match. I'm arguing that the type of bet he made can definitely be used for spot fixing.

 

[sr36]

I hope the AFL don't investigate Varcoe for betting on his team mates to kick goals. So Travis why did you pass and not have a shot here, here, here, here, here,...

 

[wicksy]

I would have thought the fixing part is intentional by definition. Thus it wasn't spot fixing.

Yeah but that's not the definition.

 

[jmac70]

Holy crap JMac... Please....

I'm not arguing he spot fixed a match. I'm arguing that the type of bet he made can definitely be used for spot fixing.

So in the end we agree, the punishment was too harsh.

 

[Black_White]

Gone legal hey? Thankfully that didn't happen. Could've gotten messy.

But very good by the club to use the legal avenue to leverage a better position for the player.
What it does tell us is that the AFL knows it’s “rules” wouldn’t stand the scrutiny of the law.

 

[wicksy]

So in the end we agree, the punishment was too harsh.

LOL... No.... The punishment had he spot fixed would have been a career ban.
The punishment he got for "gambling" is right.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Suspended sanctions always are only imposed if the same offence is repeated.
He isn’t going to serve the 12 for thumping Max Gawn.

Was assuming that was the answer but always good to ask.

 

[100volt1]

If he bets on himself to kick say... 2 goals and he's lining up for a third and kicks it out on the full.
Every single person who put a bet on him to kick 3 or more is kicking the door down asking for their money back.

It's literally the definition of Spot Fixing.

It is spot fixing, borderline match fixing if he's betting on the results and has a say in the end result. I don't know why people are saying it's not at least spot fixing because it is. Still falls under the match fixing category either way, that's why he's been giving the suspension he has, that's why it's such a big deal. Multiple bets, multiple bets lips, multiple matches. Not rocket science.

 

[sideswipe]

But very good by the club to use the legal avenue to leverage a better position for the player.
What it does tell us is that the AFL knows it’s “rules” wouldn’t stand the scrutiny of the law.

Interested to hear your thinking on this.


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[Greening Magic]

This is not an anti gambling crackdown, it's an anti corruption crackdown.

This wasn't corruption. If it was he'd never play again.
He's been used by the AFL to stop potential future corruption.
Big difference.[

 

[sr36]

Foxfooty highlighted the torpedo in the Saints game.........was it done to reach the betting goal tally?

It’s a Pandora’s box that plenty of people are not grasping IMO.

I think he got off lightly today.

If spot fixing on himself produced that, the AFL should be encouraging all players to bet on themselves. Joking.

You're right. He's bloody lucky to be available for finals, but I'm stoked that he is. So rather than sharing your anger, I'm pretty happy right now.

 

[PicaBoo]

But very good by the club to use the legal avenue to leverage a better position for the player.
What it does tell us is that the AFL knows it’s “rules” wouldn’t stand the scrutiny of the law.

Or perhaps the AFL doesn't want to deal with negative publicity more then they had to in the past month.
Let's be honest, the worst season an administation had to endure as there are so many flash fires everywhere.
Over time, the public mood will swing to "it was only a $36 dollar bet with his mates so what is the fuss".
I don't think the AFL want to disengage it's base more then they already have done.

 

[Jen2310]

Relevant?

People talked about a club imposed sanctum such as charity work, so yes I'd say it was a relevant response.

 

[CFC2010]

If spot fixing on himself produced that, the AFL should be encouraging all players to bet on themselves. Joking.

You're right. He's bloody lucky to be available for finals, but I'm stoked that he is. So rather than sharing your anger, I'm pretty happy right now.

Maybe I will share your happiness week 1 of the finals but until then sorry I will be realist.......my anger will subside soon it isn’t an emotion I am used to.

Until top four is a formality I will still be on edge.........I really thought this year would be different.......sigh.

 

[jmac70]

People talked about a club imposed sanctum such as charity work, so yes I'd say it was a relevant response.

Nope.
People talk, means nothing. There is no way the club will punish him. He needs to be cared for.

 

[Kappa]

But very good by the club to use the legal avenue to leverage a better position for the player.
What it does tell us is that the AFL knows it’s “rules” wouldn’t stand the scrutiny of the law.

I think what it says is that a long legal battle would be a PR nightmare, just like what's happening with the nrl and they decided the 22 weeks was good enough.

 

[Thatsmyname]

Honest mistake, thought he was supporting one of the AFL's major sponsors







****en Hypocrites!

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

It is spot fixing, borderline match fixing if he's betting on the results and has a say in the end result. I don't know why people are saying it's not at least spot fixing because it is. Still falls under the match fixing category either way, that's why he's been giving the suspension he has, that's why it's such a big deal. Multiple bets, multiple bets lips, multiple matches. Not rocket science.

I'm shaking my head that one of the bets involved him tipping us to win by a certain margin. If that's not borderline match fixing or the potential to match fix then I don't know what is.

I felt somewhat sympathetic for him at the start of the day, but the more I think about it, the more I'm furious with him. I can only imagine what Bucks or his teammates are thinking right now.

 

[Kappa]

This wasn't corruption. If it was he'd never play again.
He's been used by the AFL to stop potential future corruption.
Big difference.[

If he had a bet on himself to kick 3 goals, and he took a mark 55 out and instead of passing to a free teammate for a certain goal he kicked a torp to try and win his bet, what would you say that is? Is that corruption?

 

[sr36]

Yeah but that's not the definition.

I'm pretty sure it is.

Spot-fixing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Spot-fixing refers to illegal activity in a sport in which a specific aspect of a game, unrelated to the final result but upon which a betting market exists, is fixed in an attempt to ensure a certain result in a proposition bet; examples include something as minor as timing a no ball or wide delivery in cricket, or timing the first throw-in or corner in association football.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/buzzword/entries/spot-fixing.html

in sport, the dishonest activity of arranging a specific part of a game so that the result is what someone wants

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/spot-fixing

(especially in cricket) the act of deciding in a way that is not honest what the result of a particular part of a game will be before it is played

Spot fixing definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary

Spot fixing definition: the act of deliberately engineering an outcome within a sporting contest without... | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples

www.collinsdictionary.com

the act of deliberately engineering an outcome within a sporting contest without attempting to alter the outcome of the contest itself

 

[Kappa]

Honest mistake, thought he was supporting one of the AFL's major sponsors



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****en Hypocrites!

There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about allowing a legal activity like gambling and also banning players from betting on their own games to protect the competitions integrity.