Oppo Camp Jaidyn Stephenson (Traded to Nth Melb. 2020)

[No SPIN]

The AFL have a compulsory session every year where players are told betting on Footy is banned.

How would your solution have stopped Stevo? He gave the $ to his mate who placed the bet on his account
Blocking Stevo from using his own account would not have stopped this from happening

Stevo (while I concede he is young) is an adult, he is allowed to bet on 99.99% of all other sports, if he cannot restrain himself from betting on Footy, knowing that, for him, it is 'illegal' to do so then I'm afraid he must accept the consequences of his actions if he decides to bet

Although I love the kid, the person to rightly blame here is Stevo, not Howe, not the Club and certainly not the AFL

FWIW I think this will be the making of the kid, its a hard lesson, but he will come through it well

I was under the impression that some of the bets were via his account.

Please don't misunderstand me on this issue - Stevo is gulity, no debate.

But I want to see the AFL take some responsibility here by blocking players accounts from AFL betting.
Why have they resisted - it makes no sense.

Logically the information session is the place to implement such account blocking.

 

[sr36]

It’s the sock use that could be the issue.

It all began with my sock. I think I lost it whilst racially abusing indigenous homosexual quadriplegics at Marvel stadium.

First Gil takes away my sock, then my freedom of expression and now he's taken my Stevo. You're not the menace Saintly. He is. When will it end?

 

[100volt1]

I laugh every time I see people blaming the AFL for a bloke choosing to stupidly gamble on his on match. It's almost as if the AFL have only had gambling advertisements yesterday. There's gambling ads all over the world for sport, largely with sky bet + sky sports, BT Sport + BET365. Stop moaning and finding excuses for one person's f**k up.

 

[JezzasOnTheAsphalt]

Obviously don't agree with what he did.. but seriously.. does one dob a mate in for travelling 5ks over the speed limit. $12 bets for crying out loud. Not gorilla bets. And 3 games? Stop it.. and don't do it again. And it's done.

It wouldn't just be 'done' and finished as simply as that though. I can completely understand him not wanting to play the rest of his still young career with this hanging over his head, knowing it could come out at any moment. If his conscience was as guilty as he says, and he held onto it for the rest of his career, not only would that be extremely tough psychologically but I wouldn't expect him to be performing optimally either. Now he'll hopefully return both as hungry as ever and with a clear mind.

At the end of the day sure the bet sizing makes it look an innocent mistake, but the size and frequency are irrelevant in the eyes of the law when you're an AFL player betting on AFL.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I was under the impression that some of the bets were via his account.

Please don't misunderstand me on this issue - Stevo is gulity, no debate.

But I want to see the AFL take some responsibility here by blocking players accounts from AFL betting.
Why have they resisted - it makes no sense.

Logically the information session is the place to implement such account blocking.

I doubt an employer has that kind of legal power. Does yours?

 

[frizzle]

You have completely missed my point.
First assess the crime.
Did anything Stevo did hurt or negatively impact on others. No.
As a parent (read Howe) I would have ensured the kids (Stevo) knew exactly what they had done wrong. Explained all the possible consequences to themselves and others, and if I felt confident that going forward they would be better for learning the lesson and wouldn't transgress again, then I wouldn't exacerbate the situation by ensuring of a penalty far greater than the crime.
That called assessing, caring and above all leadership.
I say Howe abdicated his responsibility to his friend and whats worse is that he'll be praised for it.

Telling the truth or keeping the truth hidden. One is leadership & the other is not.

 

[jackcass]

Why hasn't the AFL blocked players' ability to bet of AFL when it is technically feasible?
Does our boy get pinged if this was blocked on his account?
Obviously the answer is no - so the AFL cant escape some responsibility here.

Got to love a society where it's promoted as okay to shift an individuals responsibility onto whoever they can find to blame. Footballers are adults. They need to take responsibility for their own actions. AFL sets the rules, provides appropriate training and education. They've met their responsibility. Players need to meet theirs.

 

[jackcass]

I just found a sock. Equilibrium.

Do you have the matching pair? If not, it's just adding to the problem.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Do you have the matching pair? If not, it's just adding to the problem.

You show me yours and then I’ll show you mine

 

[35Daicos]

Worry about Stephenson Mental Health with Media and Opposition Fans ****ting on him

Not just opposition fans are ****ting on him, plenty of our own people as well, from what I've seen on here!

 

[TradeDraft]

Not just opposition fans are ****ting on him, plenty of our own people as well, from what I've seen on here!

True. Some of us want him out of the Club and Footy because of this

 

[jackcass]

Isn't the hypocrisy the fact that the AFL has banned AFL betting, but not taken the needed measures to ensure players comply by blocking such betting on their accounts?
Its like telling a child to never touch a gun, but you leave one lying around the house hoping the kid does the right thing.

Isn't it hypocrisy that AFL understands gambling is a huge issue amongst AFL players, that has manifestly affected the lives of players such as Schwarz and Fevola to name a few, but happily accepts betting sponsorship money from the same companies that facilitate this addiction.

When the AFL allows wall to wall advertising on TV of AFL odds, is it any wonder young kids are discussing gambling at a much earlier age than in the past, which will be clearly problematic in the future. But again the AFL is completely undeterred and avoids the issue as there is Sponsorship money involved.

The AFL parades its self as a fine upstanding Corporate citizen, but condones gambling.

There is hypocrisy all over this issue IMO.

Betting companies will make money of footy. It's a legal activity. Why therefore shouldn't the AFL get their fair share of that. Funds that go to promote grass roots footy, funds that go to establish women's footy, funds that go to prop up under performing clubs, funds that go to improved facilities.

 

[No SPIN]

I doubt an employer has that kind of legal power. Does yours?

My employer can't stop me discussing a move to another employer while I'm still under contract.
My employer has never forced me to work for them for 8 years before I can openly seek employment with whom ever I want.
My employer has never penalized or fined me for breaking work place rules.
My employer has never insisted I stop socialising with disreputable characters.

AFL is NOT a normal employer bound by law eg. many of the above would be considered restraint of trade issues but the Clubs/players happily comply.
So the AFL taking the step of blocking AFL betting on accounts I suspect would be another example and would likely be applauded by Clubs.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

True. Some of us want him out of the Club and Footy because of this

Not going to happen Dave

Bookmark this: This time next year not one person will be talking about it

 

[JezzasOnTheAsphalt]

Not going to happen Dave

Bookmark this: This time next year not one person will be talking about it

I may actually still be talking about how good his 2019 finals comeback was

 

[jackcass]

You show me yours and then I’ll show you mine

Tricked ya, not wearing any....

 

[sr36]

I just found a sock. Equilibrium.

Woo Hoo. Does it look like this:

 

[jackcass]

Isn't the hypocrisy the fact that the AFL has banned AFL betting, but not taken the needed measures to ensure players comply by blocking such betting on their accounts?
Its like telling a child to never touch a gun, but you leave one lying around the house hoping the kid does the right thing.

Isn't it hypocrisy that AFL understands gambling is a huge issue amongst AFL players, that has manifestly affected the lives of players such as Schwarz and Fevola to name a few, but happily accepts betting sponsorship money from the same companies that facilitate this addiction.

When the AFL allows wall to wall advertising on TV of AFL odds, is it any wonder young kids are discussing gambling at a much earlier age than in the past, which will be clearly problematic in the future. But again the AFL is completely undeterred and avoids the issue as there is Sponsorship money involved.

The AFL parades its self as a fine upstanding Corporate citizen, but condones gambling.

There is hypocrisy all over this issue IMO.

Betting companies will make money of footy. It's a legal activity. Why therefore shouldn't the AFL get their fair share of that. Funds that go to promote grass roots footy, funds that go to establish women's footy, funds that go to prop up under performing clubs, funds that go to improved facilities.

 

[danielnajdek]

Worry about Stephenson Mental Health with Media and Opposition Fans ****ting on him

He'll be okay. Our players and coach will get around him. They are a really close group.

 

[No SPIN]

Betting companies will make money of footy. It's a legal activity. Why therefore shouldn't the AFL get their fair share of that. Funds that go to promote grass roots footy, funds that go to establish women's footy, funds that go to prop up under performing clubs, funds that go to improved facilities.

Clubs have chosen to step away from Pokie Venues - its a bad look.
Why shouldn't the AFL do the same with gambling sponsorship.

Clubs have a conscience but the AFL shouldn't?

 

[TradeDraft]

Not going to happen Dave

Bookmark this: This time next year not one person will be talking about it

I not 100% Sold on that. This will never 100% leave Stephenson

 

[danielnajdek]

I laugh every time I see people blaming the AFL for a bloke choosing to stupidly gamble on his on match. It's almost as if the AFL have only had gambling advertisements yesterday. There's gambling ads all over the world for sport, largely with sky bet + sky sports, BT Sport + BET365. Stop moaning and finding excuses for one person's f**k up.

The way you've been acting yesterday and today it's like you wanted him to get a life ban.

 

[danielnajdek]

Not just opposition fans are ****ting on him, plenty of our own people as well, from what I've seen on here!

Yep. Isn't our slogan side by side? A few on here aren't sticking by that.

 

[Bad Horse]

I just found a sock. Equilibrium.

Why is everyone so interested in finding socks?

Actually don't answer that...

 

[35Daicos]

True. Some of us want him out of the Club and Footy because of this

I don't think there's too many with that attitude, but I've still read some very ordinary comments on here from people who are supposed to be Collingwood supporters.