Traded Jake Carlisle [traded w/ #23 and #44 for #5, #24 and Craig Bird]

[Josh McElgunn]

Great, then by thr same logic you won't mind us getting the best deal for the Saints.

Not at all, but I don't reckon you'll come out on top in this one. I reckon you'll pay overs. But that happens to a number of clubs each year. Look at how we got unders for Ryder last year, you wear it and hope you get on the good end of the stick next time.

 

[Port182]

He. Is. Not. Going. To. The. PSD.

I won't say it again.

It isn't hard. He isn't going there. Saints will deal fairly this week.

 

[WEEVZ]

Think with how Carlisle feels about essendon he'll happily go in the psd and give them a big up yours! which they deserve from all their guinea pigs. carlisle just has to demand a contract only st kilda will meet - which he already has.

If memory serves, in the interview where he was talking about choosing the Saints he stated he's loved his time at the Bombers, he loves his teammates, and that basically he just felt the time was right for him to seek a fresh start. So thats a load of crap.

 

[Vindicater]

Can he go in the National Draft? Still trying to wrap me head around this.

If he enters the ND the Saints will have to use #5 to get him right? Can't see Hawthorn at #15 and #18 passing on him. They will take him and bet on their culture to set him right.

 

[cartel]

Up until last night I agreed and thought 5 for Carlisle and 23 was reasonable, but just didn't really suit us, whereas now that I've really had a think about what pick 23 might be worth in this particular draft (about pick 30 in a average draft, if that) I think it's too much, as I reckon that for a club to trade pick 5 for pick 23 in this draft you'd probably have to throw in a pick around 8 for them to be willing to do it, so I think that trade values Carlisle at pick 8, which is IMO overs.

Yep, agree fully. Think it's the best realistic deal though.

 

[Rack Watts]

So far your only insight has been to suggest a poor trade and then abuse anyone who doesnt agree

Remind me, which poor trade was this I suggested?

 

[mattrobbo26]

Carlisle and his manager have stated publicly they have no interest of going to the PSD so, that statement right there is complete nonsense.

Where and when did they state that? They stated they wanted a fair deal for essendon which they agree upon that stkilda has offered.

 

[Josh McElgunn]

Hey im happy if you dont trade him to us. Means we get him for free

If he goes into PSD, you won't get him. Carlton are waiting with baited breath if he's on the table. Nothing surer. A 23 yo key swingman to replace Henderson with an early pick is a steal for them.

 

[Defacto]

Can he go in the National Draft? Still trying to wrap me head around this.

If he enters the ND the Saints will have to use #5 to get him right? Can't see Hawthorn at #15 and #18 passing on him. They will take him and bet on their culture to set him right.

Players have the right to choose between PSD and ND

They normally nominate the PSD as they put a $ figure on their head to scare off clubs they dont want to go to

Clubs are also reluctant to be 1 sort on their senior list on the off chance they get their player in the PSD

 

[Vindicater]

Players have the right to choose between PSD and ND

They normally nominate the PSD as they put a $ figure on their head to scare off clubs they dont want to go to

Clubs are also reluctant to be 1 sort on their senior list on the off chance they get their player on the PSD

Thanks, I assumed it was a choice thing, just was unsure.

 

[WEEVZ]

That statement occurred before dodoro went on two radio stations and threatened carlisle with a pay cut stating he would send him where he wanted too.

As per his managers statement, hawthorn just isnt an option anymore. Hell even hawthorn supporters accept it. Its why their coach said he thinks he will be a saint. The money just isnt there for him at hawthorn.

Like i said the saints have absolutely no problem with the PSD option and it probably will be their preferred destination if dodoro doesnt accept that deal.

1.Never threatened him with a pay cut, so again you're talking a load of crap there.
2. At no stage in his managers statement did he rule out Hawthorn as an option, simply stated he wanted to help his client get to his "preferred destination" in St Kilda.
3. The Saints may have no problem with the PSD, but if you removed your blinkers for one-hundredth of a second and been listening at all you'd know that Carlisle and his manager have said that the PSD is not an option for them.

Get your facts straight for crying out loud.

 

[Defacto]

If he goes into PSD, you won't get him. Carlton are waiting with baited breath if he's on the table. Nothing surer. A 23 yo key swingman to replace Henderson with an early pick is a steal for them.

Carlton never matches the last contract offer and are selecting a number 1 KPD

They just aren't interested

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I dont think essendon fans realise how comfortable carlisle and the saints are with the PSD option

Haha well if Brian says so!! ****ing lol

 

[Defacto]

1.Never threatened him with a pay cut, so again you're talking a load of crap there.
2. At no stage in his managers statement did he rule out Hawthorn as an option, simply stated he wanted to help his client get to his "preferred destination" in St Kilda.
3. The Saints may have no problem with the PSD, but if you removed your blinkers for one-hundredth of a second and been listening at all you'd know that Carlisle and his manager have said that the PSD is not an option for them.

Get your facts straight for crying out loud.

1. Yes he did when he said he was sending him to hawthorn
2. Yes he did. Rewatch the channel 7 interview from friday
3. Where's the quote where he said that?

 

[NeilPrentice]

If Carlton aren't meeting his wage demands - then how would they secure him in the PSD?

If Carlisle goes to PSD it'll be with a one year contract at $1.5 mill. That way he's assured of getting to Saints.

 

[WEEVZ]

Where and when did they state that? They stated they wanted a fair deal for essendon which they agree upon that stkilda has offered.

The deal that St Kilda offered was not a fair one. When it boils down to it that deal is essentially Pick 8 and Carlisle for Pick 5 (I say Pick 8 because the Saints would send Picks 23 and 25 to GWS for Pick 8, which is what the Bombers are planning on doing currently).

 

[Sir Skid]

Not at all, but I don't reckon you'll come out on top in this one. I reckon you'll pay overs. But that happens to a number of clubs each year. Look at how we got unders for Ryder last year, you wear it and hope you get on the good end of the stick next time.

Fair enough.
I'll agree to disagree on the at one.

May the Dons fans have more to cheer about in 2016 after a tough few years.

 

[WEEVZ]

Carlton never matches the last contract offer and are selecting a number 1 KPD

They just aren't interested

They are very interested numbnuts, they were trying to lure him via the PSD but he said no he wanted to secure a fair deal for the Bombers. The amount of factually inaccurate drivel you spout is astonishing, I can see why so many people have you on the ignore list.

 

[underthestars]

Do you have any insight into anything, at all?

yes, i can see, despite your best intentions, that a witty and cutting comeback is simply beyond you.

 

[Spanghertron]

I disagree a little bit on this one. If players could soley choose where they wanted to play GWS wouldnt have a team. Brisbane would be in a world of strife too.

For such a short work/career in this field (approx 8-10 years on average) I don't know that work/life balance is so affected that they can't make a fist of an opportunity at any professional AFL club. I mean no-one has to live in an isolated or remote area, their income is high and guaranteed and there are numerous business and networking opportunities for players regardless of what club they land at. However, if you're an unrestricted free agent - I agree, pick your club. You've done the time to earn it. If not I think the clubs should get the right to send their players to wherever yields the best outcome as compensation.

I agree. While the players should have some say in where they want to go, it shouldn't be taken as gospel. Otherwise the"big clubs" will have players lining up to play with them and the clubs like brissy,gws would be severely weakened. All players are employees of the AFL at the end of the day. If want to play in the AFL you have to be ready to play for any club in the league. The alternative is to get a job in the real world. I agree with the unrestricted free agency comment as well, if they have put in years at a club and want to leave then they should be able to but in circumstances like aish from brissy, I'd say its a case of tough cookies. He has been in the league for two years and hasn't earnt the right to pick and choose where he wants to play. He should be happy that he is playing in the highest possible league and being paid handsomely for it. Otherwise leave the league and go to uni or get another job. In saying this i think clubs should be able to deny requests and not be seen as "cold hearted a***holes". Brisbane have lost a ridiculous amount of talent because of this and now would be very sceptical on drafting any interstate player as they know they could lose them in 2 years and be forever a weak club as the top end talent they do draft will be gone quickly,placing them in a hole where they are never going to get better.

 

[Josh McElgunn]

Carlton never matches the last contract offer and are selecting a number 1 KPD

They just aren't interested

Big risk to take though letting it get to the PSD stage. If they can't get an ESS/STK deal done, Carlton will surely reassess their stance before the draft goes ahead. Despite what they indicate their plans are now, their board will still look at Carlisle as a ready made option with youth on his side. I wouldn't want to risk it. Brisbane and the GC get a crack too. All the PSD means is that St Kilda and Essendon both likely lose out. Just gotta get a deal done. Carlisle, pick 25 & pick 38 (or whatever we get for Giles) for pick 5 and 63 would be a good deal I reckon.

 

[12Chill]

I think 5 and 63 for JC, 23 and 25 is to make sure we don't lose either way.
Even if we have to go to mediation or the clubs work to make a compromise, the most that would happen is that pick 25 gets cut from the deal (probably along with 63), meaning we come out with JC and 23, which in the end isn't the biggest win but definitely isn't a big loss for either team.

I think of it as a safety net.
With Carlisle and his manager backing the deal though I think there is a chance we get 23 and 25. I don't want to get my hopes up on anything though, I want the trade period to be done already, I'm too nervous about everything haha.

 

[aussierulesrules]

There is zero chance that Essendon will pick him up. The other 3 though...

We have possibly more cap space free than any other club in the comp, so we could front-end his contract so much that it would price every other club with a pick ahead of us out of the equation.

On top of that, he most likely wouldn't do any interviews or medicals at any of those 3 clubs, which would mean that they'd be risking as much as $2mil in one year on someone sight-unseen. Someone who Mark (I might as well be on Essendon's payroll) Robinson said the other day has had attitude issues going back years and who he and Ando insinuated today doesn't have the work ethic that someone like BJ Goddard thinks is acceptable. Would Gold Coast (who have just gotten rid of a couple with "attitude type issues") take the punt on him, without having interviewed him at that sort of price?

At the end of that first year, where they've paid him as much as $2mil, what do they do then? How much do they offer him on his next contract, if he's even willing to stay? Carlton weren't willing to pay him more than $500k for 4 years, so do you really think they'd be willing to pay him that full amount over just 1?

Brisbane is probably the only club ahead of us that might have the cap space free to be able to afford a monster contract in next year's cap, but do they really want anyone else there that doesn't want to be there and who may ask to be traded out after one year, a year where they paid him $2mil?

I hope it doesn't go that far and that a deal that both parties are happy with gets done (which I belivee means Essendon will need to actually work with us here, not against us), but I reckon it would have been discussed at length on Friday, so I certainly wouldn't discount us landing him there, just like Collingwood landed Ball in the ND in 2009.

 

[Feerits Elf]

If he goes into PSD, you won't get him. Carlton are waiting with baited breath if he's on the table.

What will they bait their breath with? Craven Special Mild?

 

[niceslacks]

Is there a chance the bombers would simply say, we'll meet your wage demands and pick you in the PSD if saints really started pushing for this option? I know this wouldn't be great for the bombers but it is something that they could put in front of StK if they keep low balling in the hope they wouldn't have to give up anything. Not saying this would happen, just wonder if it's something that can possibly be done.