Player Watch Jake Soligo - Showdown Medalist!

[WaynesWorld19]

But the more important take from what Blight said is the way we need to play, sure defence is important but the premiership sides have averaged over 16 goals. That’s not something you just flick the switch on, you’ve got to be producing that during the year and that means getting the ball into forwards quickly so your forwards aren’t out numbered.

George you're still confused about the stages of the team's development ......I've outlined it a few times, contested brand as the stage 1 starting point & then overlaying the class via the Draft & Development

You've consistently wanted to start from stage 4

If you don't believe that we have the correct development process in place .....go and listen to the Adelaide Review on Fox Footy's Season 23 review ......they reiterated what I have been saying

Also, they indicated Nicks is a naturally attacking Coach .....a POV you've refuted

Finally ....as ESS found ...the more attacking you are, the more you expose your DEF on turnover .....so in a developmental phase, it's getting the balance correct, with a young group ....and a Defence that is still our Achilles Heel

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Edwards was an absolute gun and was underrated because of those players you mentioned. Soligo being another Edwards would be amazing.

Well , Soligo is definitely way ahead at the same age

Let’s hope he continues to progress

 

[George Kramer]

George you're still confused about the stages of the team's development ......I've outlined it a few times, contested brand as the stage 1 starting point & then overlaying the class via the Draft & Development

You've consistently wanted to start from stage 4

If you don't believe that we have the correct development process in place .....go and listen to the Adelaide Review on Fox Footy's Season 23 review ......they reiterated what I have been saying

Also, they indicated Nicks is a naturally attacking Coach .....a POV you've refuted

Finally ....as ESS found ...the more attacking you are, the more you expose your DEF on turnover .....so in a developmental phase, it's getting the balance correct, with a young group ....and a Defence that is still our Achilles Heel

And no I haven’t, again you misrepresent.

What I objected to was the defensive nature of our play as soon as we copped a couple of losses. We went from attacking, kicking some decent scores and recording some great wins, to a side that pushed up their small forwards to create a contest. That doesn’t teach winning contested ball, it’s a Band-Aid solution. It also empties our forward line. Nicks also played idiotic wingman like Hately and Crouch. I also objected to our chip chip game.

Now our internal trial we still played our chip chip game.
Against Freo we also played chip chip game.
Against West Coast we finally played like we should be. Will he keep it up though?

Now why the change from our first internal trial? Who knows, maybe Nicks finally listened to other assistants, maybe he read my posts.

But let’s see if we continue with it even with our forward line.

 

[Crow till I die]

They certainly did. Can’t work out how they can then * up better picks where you’ve got more choices

A big element of luck i think..we got lucky with soligo. They hope every pick works out like soligo but very few do

 

[George Kramer]

That man Hamish and his offsider Steve McCrystal know their stuff hey....

And imagine the melts on here if they had gone earlier on no name player Jake Soligo.

So you comment and pat them on the back when they do well but when they don’t it’s crickets.

At least those of us who are balanced actually can identify both

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I don't think Laird is a whipping boy. Ned, Murphy and ROB really are at the moment.

It's a good sign if Laird is the standard of our whipping boy

 

[StonesThrow]

That man Hamish and his offsider Steve McCrystal know their stuff hey....

And imagine the melts on here if they had gone earlier on no name player Jake Soligo.

I was more making fun at EC than praising our recruiters. They've got some right but some important ones very wrong.

 

[Truck25]

I was more making fun at EC than praising our recruiters. They've got some right but some important ones very wrong.

It would be interesting to do a comparison with all the recruiters since Hamish took over. See who has the best and worst strike rate, cause there have been a lot of first round busts, we are not alone on that count. Maybe it actually hard to pick a gun from 16 and 17yr old playing against each other.

 

[Golumless]

It would be interesting to do a comparison with all the recruiters since Hamish took over. See who has the best and worst strike rate, cause there have been a lot of first round busts, we are not alone on that count. Maybe it actually hard to pick a gun from 16 and 17yr old playing against each other.

My guess is it would end up shaking out that recruiters at well resourced and well run clubs have a good strike rate. Recruiters at clubs who are cheaping out or are poorly run end up having a poor strike rate.

 

[George Kramer]

It would be interesting to do a comparison with all the recruiters since Hamish took over. See who has the best and worst strike rate, cause there have been a lot of first round busts, we are not alone on that count. Maybe it actually hard to pick a gun from 16 and 17yr old playing against each other.

We had 4 in 4 years. Sure there have been duds but the recruiters generally don’t keep their job.

For example Ports drafting improved a hell of a lot since Moore, Butcher, Pittard, Lobbe and Jacobs.

Melbournes improved after they changed recruiter after blowing multiple firsts.

There is the other aspect of how long do you want someone to be in charge of your recruiting and when it’s time for a fresh set of eyes and philosophy.

 

[Truck25]

My guess is it would end up shaking out that recruiters at well resourced and well run clubs have a good strike rate. Recruiters at clubs who are cheaping out or are poorly run end up having a poor strike rate.

your probably not far off, but it would be an interesting exercise since so many are blaming our recruiting staff, maybe the stats will show the true picture.

 

[Bearded Clam]

George you're still confused about the stages of the team's development ......I've outlined it a few times, contested brand as the stage 1 starting point & then overlaying the class via the Draft & Development

You've consistently wanted to start from stage 4

If you don't believe that we have the correct development process in place .....go and listen to the Adelaide Review on Fox Footy's Season 23 review ......they reiterated what I have been saying

Also, they indicated Nicks is a naturally attacking Coach .....a POV you've refuted

Finally ....as ESS found ...the more attacking you are, the more you expose your DEF on turnover .....so in a developmental phase, it's getting the balance correct, with a young group ....and a Defence that is still our Achilles Heel

So do you agree with what Blighty said or do you not?..

Because Blighty actually first had a go at Nicksy for being far too defensive about 2 years ago..

Which would go against the timing of your “4 stage” strategy..

Nicksy has been far too focused on defense first for three years now.. far too focused on promoting and playing players that put defensive effort before anything else.. we’ve all seen the results.

Thankfully it seems Nicksy has seen the errors of his way and their has been a big shift in his thinking on this.. he even said so himself a couple of weeks back..

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Thankfully it seems Nicksy has seen the errors of his way

Just plain rubbish !

 

[Jeffcrowe]

So do you agree with what Blighty said or do you not?..

Because Blighty actually first had a go at Nicksy for being far too defensive about 2 years ago..

Which would go against the timing of your “4 stage” strategy..

Nicksy has been far too focused on defense first for three years now.. far too focused on promoting and playing players that put defensive effort before anything else.. we’ve all seen the results.

Thankfully it seems Nicksy has seen the errors of his way and their has been a big shift in his thinking on this.. he even said so himself a couple of weeks back..

Some of that is due to cattle

No excuse now not to use our attacking weapons

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So do you agree with what Blighty said or do you not?..

Because Blighty actually first had a go at Nicksy for being far too defensive about 2 years ago..

Which would go against the timing of your “4 stage” strategy..

Nicksy has been far too focused on defense first for three years now.. far too focused on promoting and playing players that put defensive effort before anything else.. we’ve all seen the results.

Thankfully it seems Nicksy has seen the errors of his way and their has been a big shift in his thinking on this.. he even said so himself a couple of weeks back..

Look, I love listening to Blighty ....so much more than Bickley

That said, the game has moved on so much in the last 20 years since he coached ......do you think Ron Barrassi could coach these days ?

Lets set the record straight:

1. Blight has always had an attacking preference, as a general principle .....that said, these days most sides build from defence .....not necessarily in the D50 ....but we have front half presses, full ground presses .....all defensive strategies

The best sides are the ones that can defend first, then attack ......you may have heard that the best defensive sides win more Grand Finals .....generally correct

Building a team / list using a hard competitive edge is a proven successful approach .....ESS tried what you & others are suggesting, all out attack .....and where has that got them

2. Blight has said, any player that gets a clearance & kicks the ball to the wing / flank .....can sit with him on the bench
I reckon 70-80% of clearances go to the spot Blight despises

3. Blight's view on tackling is antiquated .....get to the ball first, then you don't need to tackle

So, my opinion is .....football has always been about getting the ball to your forwards quickly ....we went thru a period, you couldn't do that, because there was no-one in the FWD 50 .....it appears we may see more of the stay at home FF, in the future

But footy always does a full circle, back to it's principles

I am very happy to see what Nicks is doing .....the next stage is adding class & attacking flair ....that said, our DEF is still weak, so it still needs some protection

 

[Bearded Clam]

Just plain rubbish !

Good, in depth, and well thought out response.

I even posted the interview with Nicksy where he discussed it all a few weeks back.

He has been far too defensive focused so far.. and selected abd promoted players that do not much else but apply defensive pressure.. particularly in the forward half.

Saying thats rubbish pretty much tells me you either havent been watching the past three years or your fxxkn clueless about what your looking at whilst you are watching.

 

[StickerMan]

Good, in depth, and well thought out response.

I even posted the interview with Nicksy where he discussed it all a few weeks back.

He has been far too defensive focused so far.. and selected abd promoted players that do not much else but apply defensive pressure.. particularly in the forward half.

Saying thats rubbish pretty much tells me you either havent been watching the past three years or your fxxkn clueless about what your looking at whilst you are watching.

Can't both point of views be correct?

Yes we were too defensive, however wasn't that by design to work in with a rebuilding side?

I agree, you need to learn to defend first as a young side before you can attack.

Also, we weren't in a position to be too attacking last couple of years.

One of the endearing qualities that has been recognised by some in the media, for those that have taken the time to look at our matches, is that we are hard to play against. In that we pressure, tackle, and do the basic defensive actions well.

Now, we have the cattle to bring a more attacking flair, whilst still balancing out with the defensive side of the game.

I kind of think you are both correct, but neither would admit it! LOL

 

[Alwaysacrow]

When is Soligo contracted to?
We need to make sure we hold on to this lad.

 

[martyparty]

When is Soligo contracted to?
We need to make sure we hold on to this lad.

We re-signed Soligo and Rachele before they had even played a game for us. So they are signed through to the end of 2025 season.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

We re-signed Soligo and Rachele before they had even played a game for us. So they are signed through to the end of 2025 season.

Thanks. Good work by the club.

 

[cleanhands]

Thanks. Good work by the club.

It will be even better work when we get him to sign the next one

 

[StickerMan]

Thanks. Good work by the club.

Got a feeling there may be a robust negotiation next year to extend on bigger money.

 

[Brett Cummings]

Steal of the draft. Better than horne.

 

[John Who]

This kid is our Zak Butters

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Zak Butters

Age

24

Ht

181cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

14.7

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

5.9

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

near equivalent. Tough, skilled, elusive, solid first year, thriving in second year.

 

[FR0GGY]

I noticed Nicksy mentioned him in the post match presser, wasn’t his best game but is an important cog.