Traded James Aish [traded to Collingwood for #26 and St Kilda's 2016 second round pick]

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What if the Hawks offered, David Hale, Brendan Whitecross and our first pick ( say 16-18 ), for Aish and your Leuenberger compo pick ( say 25-35 ).
**** that's actually tempting, if Hale was 3 years younger I'd do it in a heartbeat. I love some Whitecross, and that pick would be handy, a 28 yo Hale would be great for the forward line as well.

But probably not, too old
 

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How's it a set up, Hale wife wants to move back to Queensland, Brisbane may as well get a required need, especially if you lose Leuenberger, Whitecross is a restricted free agent, so by making a trade, he would come cheaper.

Restricted free agent or not the Hawks wouldn't block him leaving IMO so a trade becomes redundant. Hale would cost bugger all if anything. He's probably going to retire anyway. So you are basically getting Aish for a downgrade of pick 18 to 25. What a bargain lol.
 
Restricted free agent or not the Hawks wouldn't block him leaving IMO so a trade becomes redundant. Hale would cost bugger all if anything. He's probably going to retire anyway. So you are basically getting Aish for a downgrade of pick 18 to 25. What a bargain lol.
Maybe if we signed whitecross as free agent and the hawks got a compo of end of second or behind thier second they could add that it in so thats aish and our second for hawks first whitecross comp( 34-38) and whitecross
 
No, if Keays is bid on at pick 14 and then Hipwood is bid on at 15 (or vice versa), the Lions could give up picks 20, 38 and 56 across the two and only have a points debt of about 231 points, i.e. approximately pick 53. So all they need to do (assuming the rest of this hypothetical plays out) would be to obtain pick 53 or better during trade week and they won't have to go into debt in 2016. Alternatively they could have those points removed from their first rounder in 2016, knocking them back one to four spots in the first round, depending on where they finish.

Pick 14 on Keays = 1,141 - 20% = 913 points - 912 points for pick 20 = 1 point, and we're done.
Pick 15 on Hipwood = 1,112 - 20% = 890 points - 465 points for pick 38 = 425 points - 194 points for pick 56 = 231 point debt as they have no more picks worth anything to give up.
Nice calculations. Happy to be corrected but I believe under the proposed system, you'd still need to get that extra point for Keays by pushing the pick 38 pick back to pick 39 and you'd lose any carry over points for that deal. (e.g. I don't know the value of pick 38 to 39 so estimated. Pick 38 to pick 39 = 20 points. Keays deal is 912 points for pick 20 & 20 points for 38 slide back a place. The leftover 19 points gets removed) )Then for Hipwood you'd start with pick 39's points (405) + pick 56 points (194), then need to fund the deficit.

I find it interesting how it works and this is the 1st good go I've seen at working it all out. As I said, happy to be corrected but I'm sure I read that any carry over points for a ' bid ' pick doesn't carry forward for the next possible bid.
 
Nice calculations. Happy to be corrected but I believe under the proposed system, you'd still need to get that extra point for Keays by pushing the pick 38 pick back to pick 39 and you'd lose any carry over points for that deal. (e.g. I don't know the value of pick 38 to 39 so estimated. Pick 38 to pick 39 = 20 points. Keays deal is 912 points for pick 20 & 20 points for 38 slide back a place. The leftover 19 points gets removed) )Then for Hipwood you'd start with pick 39's points (405) + pick 56 points (194), then need to fund the deficit.

I find it interesting how it works and this is the 1st good go I've seen at working it all out. As I said, happy to be corrected but I'm sure I read that any carry over points for a ' bid ' pick doesn't carry forward for the next possible bid.

Yeah, you're probably right on the one point left over. I vaguely recall a reference to "nearest" pick, but the examples look like they take the nearest but greater value. Net result would be ~250 point debt, or still one to four spots in the first round in 2016 (again, assuming no picks are brought in).
 
Nice calculations. Happy to be corrected but I believe under the proposed system, you'd still need to get that extra point for Keays by pushing the pick 38 pick back to pick 39 and you'd lose any carry over points for that deal. (e.g. I don't know the value of pick 38 to 39 so estimated. Pick 38 to pick 39 = 20 points. Keays deal is 912 points for pick 20 & 20 points for 38 slide back a place. The leftover 19 points gets removed) )Then for Hipwood you'd start with pick 39's points (405) + pick 56 points (194), then need to fund the deficit.

I find it interesting how it works and this is the 1st good go I've seen at working it all out. As I said, happy to be corrected but I'm sure I read that any carry over points for a ' bid ' pick doesn't carry forward for the next possible bid.

Not a big deal but pick 14 is actually worth 1,161 points not 1,141 meaning they will need 928 (including the 20% academy discount ) not 913, but agree dlanod explained it well.
 
For the AFL website on Aish's season ending injury

Aish has averaged 14 disposals a game, and topped 20 touches just once - a far cry from his excellent debut season where he finished fourth behind teammate Lewy Taylor in the NAB Rising Star Award.

Not exactly setting the world on fire, if the pick you get is much out of the top 10 (which is looking very likely) you may have to sweeten the significantly to get Dixon. As you don't want to trade any of your other picks (needed to get Hipwood and Keays) you may have to start to look at giving over a quality player like Zorko or Hanley to secure a deal.
 
For the AFL website on Aish's season ending injury

Aish has averaged 14 disposals a game, and topped 20 touches just once - a far cry from his excellent debut season where he finished fourth behind teammate Lewy Taylor in the NAB Rising Star Award.

Not exactly setting the world on fire, if the pick you get is much out of the top 10 (which is looking very likely) you may have to sweeten the significantly to get Dixon. As you don't want to trade any of your other picks (needed to get Hipwood and Keays) you may have to start to look at giving over a quality player like Zorko or Hanley to secure a deal.


Pick 1 in the PSD you may have to start to look at giving over a quality player like Dixon for nothing ....
 

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Pick 1 in the PSD you may have to start to look at giving over a quality player like Dixon for nothing ....
That's a possibility, the reality is even if you didn't have pick 1 he could still get to you as you would offer more than we are prepared to pay. If that is his decision then I wish him well.

I would hope and expect the lions to deal in good faith as these things have a way of coming back to bite you but I guess time will tell.
 
For the AFL website on Aish's season ending injury

Aish has averaged 14 disposals a game, and topped 20 touches just once - a far cry from his excellent debut season where he finished fourth behind teammate Lewy Taylor in the NAB Rising Star Award.

Not exactly setting the world on fire, if the pick you get is much out of the top 10 (which is looking very likely) you may have to sweeten the significantly to get Dixon. As you don't want to trade any of your other picks (needed to get Hipwood and Keays) you may have to start to look at giving over a quality player like Zorko or Hanley to secure a deal.
Yeah pick 10 and Hanley for Dixon, great..
More like pick 20 and Mitch Golby
 
For the AFL website on Aish's season ending injury

Aish has averaged 14 disposals a game, and topped 20 touches just once - a far cry from his excellent debut season where he finished fourth behind teammate Lewy Taylor in the NAB Rising Star Award.

Not exactly setting the world on fire, if the pick you get is much out of the top 10 (which is looking very likely) you may have to sweeten the significantly to get Dixon. As you don't want to trade any of your other picks (needed to get Hipwood and Keays) you may have to start to look at giving over a quality player like Zorko or Hanley to secure a deal.

You had your chance to get Zorko, good luck with that. And Hanley? Hahaha you're making us all laugh now.
 
Fair call although Beams was headed to Brisbane for family reasons and Christensen wanted the $$ and to get out of the fish bowl. Carlton are in a similar spot to the Lions so Aish will basically be moving to be in Melbourne. He could pick a club at least a chance of playing finals if he had a brain.
With all the names getting chucked up for Carlton, they'd be looking like a finals team lol.
 
I wonder how one can post opinions in these type of threads,without watching the aforementioned players at least on a regular basis - It's like the blind leading the blind.

Based on Aish's performance this year he's worth pick 10-15.
 
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Traded James Aish [traded to Collingwood for #26 and St Kilda's 2016 second round pick]

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