MRP / Trib. James Sicily tackle on Hugh McCluggage

[Dangerous Dave]

From my view of the reverse angle, one arm is pinned and one free? Hawks supporter I would have accepted one week, three is ridiculous

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Wow! I sometimes get embarrassed by North supporters melting over nothing, but you guys are next level: Ban the tackle, Touch football, What about..., All he did was....,What would Wardlaw do?

Wardlaw would tackle the bloke, pulling him toward himself, pinning an arm so he can safely brace with the other whilst not being able to handball. He cushions the blow, lets him brace, does everything that is asked of him, and takes the only reasonable outcome possible in the 1.03 second situation.

Oh wait, Sicily did that.

 

[perplexed]

The game is cooked, it’s basically becoming a non contact sport

That's the spirit!

 

[citizen-erased]

You can join Maddo in the "I hate the AFL crowd, I want touch footy"

lol
alright then.

 

[Roby]

No the umpires missed a pushed in the back. This is how terrible of an umpire you would be. Umpires have a split second decision to make, you've watched the same replay for days and still getting wrong.

Edit. Maddo11 I quoted your post but I don't what happened to it. Deleted?

 

[Dewyyyyy]

the mark with the knee in the head is probably next but we digress.

to your question - wouldn't say happy or angry. just know what the AFL are trying to do so you adjust accordingly

case in point - in our gameday thread this week, we all saw the Merrett tackle and immediately thought that's risking a week off.
It's AFL now. And if they have to suspect Sicily for 3 to change 9/10 tackles and avoid 90% of concussions, that's a win for the league and the players. and we suck it up...cos we're not the ones out there getting smashed and having CTE later in our lives

You play a contact sport, you need to reasonably expect you are to get injuries, head included.

Do you think boxers, kick boxers, wrestlers etc don't expect to have injuries, or even late later in life effects.

It's bizarre.

 

[Faz 2000]

Wardlaw would tackle the bloke, pulling him toward himself, pinning an arm so he can safely brace with the other whilst not being able to handball. He cushions the blow, lets him brace, does everything that is asked of him, and takes the only reasonable outcome possible in the 1.03 second situation.

Oh wait, Sicily did that.

None of the guys on my team would have made the tackle, so I guess we’re AFL-approved

 

[perplexed]

Wardlaw would tackle the bloke, pulling him toward himself, pinning an arm so he can safely brace with the other whilst not being able to handball. He cushions the blow, lets him brace, does everything that is asked of him, and takes the only reasonable outcome possible in the 1.03 second situation.

Oh wait, Sicily did that.

He didn't have to rotate him. That takes effort to do and had this inevitable result.

 

[Maddo11]

Given the tackle lasted for an ACTUAL second, you didn't really answer the question when Sicily should release the tackle.

Sicily goes to ground 0.2 to 0.3 seconds after initiating the tackle. So you're telling me that as soon as Sicily tackles that he should release a tackle as soon as he realises that he's touching the ground, as fast as you can blink? Do you realise how long it takes for your nervous system to send signals from your feet to your brain and then for your synapses to fire to your parietal lobe?

He's an athlete at the highest level, who can turn, lunge and grab onto a moving player within the blink of an eye, but suddenly he's too slow to be able to react and let go half way through the tackle.

Sure

 

[citizen-erased]

The biomechanist said the whole tackle lasted 1.04 seconds. So in that time he was meant to tackle, recognise that they were both going to ground and release the tackle

we said the same on Merrett on Sparrow and it meant zilch.

i'm not agreeing (or disagreeing) with the outcome. this is what the AFL wants. So this is what it is now.
fans have to accept it. we're not the ones who deal with the consequences. the players and league do

 

[The Kipster]

I've started going to the VFLW.
No AFL interference. Pretty much every other league is under the AFLs influence in metro melbourne

Nice work MM, I applaud you and I totally understand it, I now watch the WAFL and it is way better. The interesting thing is that the WAFL is a second tier competition yet they receive bugger all as Gil and his lot take their tax and screw everyone else. I am sure that the VFLW have the same lack of money, as Gil promotes it publicly, but the funding would be tokenism at best.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

None of the guys on my team would have made the tackle, so I guess we’re AFL-approved

Carlton don't like contact, they're well ahead in the way the game is to be played. Well done Vossy!!

 

[Dewyyyyy]

He didn't have to rotate him. That takes effort to do and had this inevitable result.

He rotated after the action and tackle was completed. As per:

Glad you showed it again- albeit in ultra slow mo rather than real time.

Do you see how Sicily pulls McCluggage onto himself (as instructed for safety) such that his initial landing is onto Sicily. He then rolls him off himself and onto the ground. Not only is he going to ground from the height of Sicily lying on the ground (i.e. very low) that but the angle he is rolled onto the ground would normally mean he lands on his side.

It's only the impact of Brockman mid fall that means McCluggage's head is on a weird angle that means his head hits the ground (unpredictably and unbeknownst to Sicily), causing the concussion.

Which is exactly what the Biomechanics expert said.

 

[Simche]

Shocking decision by the tribunal and evident of a very broken game.

Every week the apologists in the media talk about the game 'never being better'. It isn't.

Soft as butter pretend intellectuals like Gerard Healy and Whately ring their hands and decry the head as sacrosanct and that any football act or otherwise that makes contact needs result in a suspension, while on the other hand lauding players ducking and drawing head high contact for years as tough and uncompromising (see the gushing over Shuey and Selwood for years being 'clever' drawing high contact).

Both are illustrative of an AFL community including governing body and media community that has no idea what to do about the actual issues of concussion because they haven't actually brought together the key stakeholders, including the players, to reach a unified position on what the rules are and what they should be in terms of adjudication (for example agreeing on what a standard timeframe should be in a tackle before an umpire blows their whistle so players are less likely to be dumped) and instead ham-fistedly change things ad hoc on a week by week basis.

I can't also help but think this is what happens when you don't allow any scrutiny of umpiring and match review, which is clearly the single biggest blight on the game given we've now got 4 umpires yet not a single one adjudged Sicily to have made a dangerous tackle. Apparently it's all the players fault for doing what they've been trained to do since they were just out of nappies and not stopping on the basis of a two paragraph memo sent to club headquarters last Thursday.

 

[Faz 2000]

You play a contact sport, you need to reasonably expect you are to get injuries, head included.

Do you think boxers, kick boxers, wrestlers etc don't expect to have injuries, or even late later in life effects.

It's bizarre.

New IBF champion Hugo Huarez suspended for 2 months after KOing opponent in Championship bout he won by KO…

 

[Dewyyyyy]

New IBF champion Hugo Huarez suspended for 2 months after KOing opponent in Championship bout he won by KO…

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

There are loopholes to that you know.

Haven't you heard of the Cripps Ah Chee Bump Brownlow loophole of 2022?



Cripps even clips him on the nose with the elbow upon landing.

No case to answer.

One in every thread

 

[tommyk72]

The thing I'm confused about is what Sicily should have done differently. Does this judgement mean that he should not have tackled? Realistically that's the only plausible alternative given the rapid time of the tackle and this is based on instinct (and he did follow instructions to roll the player over).

If the answer is yes then this means there's a much larger ramification for the game than I imagine the AFL initially wanted, and I have no doubt that similar, to Will Day, Sicily will be the test case and others will get lesser penalties as the AFL realise they've screwed up and roll this back.

 

[citizen-erased]

You play a contact sport, you need to reasonably expect you are to get injuries, head included.

Do you think boxers, kick boxers, wrestlers etc don't expect to have injuries, or even late later in life effects.

It's bizarre.

Boxing is different. it has a clear goal to knock someone out
AFL is about scoring.

Most sports are going down this path and there will be collateral damage like this.
alternative is a league gone bankrupt through compensation claims and another generation of players who can't remember their own name later in life..... and a lot worse.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

The thing I'm confused about is what Sicily should have done differently. Does this judgement mean that he should not have tackled? Realistically that's the only plausible alternative given the rapid time of the tackle and this is based on instinct (and he did follow instructions to roll the player over).

If the answer is yes then this means there's a much larger ramification for the game than I imagine the AFL initially wanted, and I have no doubt that similar, to Will Day, Sicily will be the test case and others will get lesser penalties as the AFL realise they've screwed up and roll this back.

Don’t think the AFL are rolling this stuff back anytime soon. Only going to get worse with these lawsuits coming.

 

[Maddo11]

The thing I'm confused about is what Sicily should have done differently. Does this judgement mean that he should not have tackled? Realistically that's the only plausible alternative given the rapid time of the tackle and this is based on instinct (and he did follow instructions to roll the player over).

If the answer is yes then this means there's a much larger ramification for the game than I imagine the AFL initially wanted, and I have no doubt that similar, to Will Day, Sicily will be the test case and others will get lesser penalties as the AFL realise they've screwed up and roll this back.

"Release the left arm" would have prevented the slinging action

 

[perplexed]

He rotated after the action and tackle was completed. As per:

You are watching this through a seriously distorted lens.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

You play a contact sport, you need to reasonably expect you are to get injuries, head included.

Do you think boxers, kick boxers, wrestlers etc don't expect to have injuries, or even late later in life effects.

It's bizarre.

I believe boxers are contractors who set their own rules and sign their own lives away. AFL has a duty of care to protect the players, their employees. This is the way it’s going.

 

[citizen-erased]

The thing I'm confused about is what Sicily should have done differently. Does this judgement mean that he should not have tackled? Realistically that's the only plausible alternative given the rapid time of the tackle and this is based on instinct (and he did follow instructions to roll the player over).

If the answer is yes then this means there's a much larger ramification for the game than I imagine the AFL initially wanted, and I have no doubt that similar, to Will Day, Sicily will be the test case and others will get lesser penalties as the AFL realise they've screwed up and roll this back.

this is the catch 22.

Nothing and everything.
He made the best tackle he could
The change in behaviour the AFL wants is if you can't control the tackle, don't execute it.....same as the bump

you can still bump. but you better get it 100% correct and avoid any injury to the head (see Mansell, JDG)

 

[The Kipster]

All of the media are paid by the AFL, be a good boy Johnny or I'll take away your rights. Meanwhile, the AFL has no accountability, nobody governs those fk wits, the only exception are us the punters.

Good luck into the future, as the majority are not happy with the game, they hate the governance, the control and the corruption.

Gil and the AFL you suck!