Strategy Jason Horne-Francis: North trade him to Port for massive unders

[1970crow]

And who is that? Karl Amon? He’s a free agent anyway and might get a third round compo. Unless Port tank they won’t have the capital we have to trade.

I don't know, but they've pushed out best 22 players in the past. Wingard a prime example. When we do it it's because we've got lesser offers on the table, so it's a list management error not a strategic push.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Georgiades & Duursma Port's currency this year?

 

[Greenfinger]

There is absolutely no way in hell the crows wouldve offered their 2021 1st, 2022 1st and another first rounder during last years trade period to try and get pick 1 and thus JHF without asking the lad if he wanted to play for the crows first..

Nicksy aparently met with the lad a couple of times prior to last years draft.. he wouldve asked him.

And the fact they asked North for that trade tells you that JHF said “yes, I would be happy to play at the crows”.. they wouldnt have put that much capital up to get pick 1 last year if he hadve said “nah, not keen to play for you guys”..

The JHF ties to Port are based on his stepfathers past ties.. and they arent the strongest of ties. Fabian dodnt exactly leave on the best terms.

JHF was/is a freo supporter growing up so theres no port link there..

If he asks to be traded home to SA at the end of this season you’d have to think North will say fine but you can go to the SA club who can give us the very best deal possible.. or you can stick any trade ideas up your arse as you are still contracted to us.. who do we all think can provide the best deal at the table between port and crows come the end of the year?..

The lad himself will also be looking at which club can provide the best deal money wise and who of the two teams has more chance of success on the horizon.. crows are down the bottom but you’d have to think Ports window has just shut (debatable that it was actually open anyway- they arent really that great they just kept getting very soft draws in recent years)..

JHF choosing Port, and North even dealing with port, is very far from a given..

They don’t always get it right but port likely to be more aggressive at the trade table than us.

 

[1970crow]

Georgiades & Duursma Port's currency this year?

If they can get the $ acceptable, I'm assuming we're in the box seat there, there's no doubt there'll be a couple of hard conversations with best 22 players happening.

 

[1970crow]

They don’t always get it right but port likely to be more aggressive at the trade table than us.

Exactly, we can argue the merit of the strategy, whether they buy the right 'piece' or sell the right player, but it's unarguable that they don't sit on their hands if they see opportunity. They don't die wondering whereas we don't even wonder in the first place.

 

[1970crow]

Mcasey is contracted.

He doesnt have to accept being traded for a start.. and who the duck would want to go to Norf.. You could end up in Tassie in a couple of years!..

We’d more than likely tell Mcasey we are trading him to north as part of this big deal for JHF and he’d turn around and say “no thanks.. but I’ll go this club.. and pick someone like essendon who will offer us a stale packet of chips for him”.. and put the whole trade with north in the toilet.

And.. a packet of stale chips is actually probably close to what he’s worth mind you!..

These playstation type trade discussions are pointless.. about 1 in every 100,000 actually eventuates.

And even if all that happens we're not functionally any worse than we are right now having not tried anything at all.

 

[AFC979810]

Mcasey is contracted.

He doesnt have to accept being traded for a start.. and who the duck would want to go to Norf.. You could end up in Tassie in a couple of years!..

We’d more than likely tell Mcasey we are trading him to north as part of this big deal for JHF and he’d turn around and say “no thanks.. but I’ll go this club.. and pick someone like essendon who will offer us a stale packet of chips for him”.. and put the whole trade with north in the toilet.

And.. a packet of stale chips is actually probably close to what he’s worth mind you!..

These playstation type trade discussions are pointless.. about 1 in every 100,000 actually eventuates.

Settle down there slugger. Getting all kinds of worked up there mate. A lot of water to go under the bridge and was just a suggestion for a potential trade discussion.

I can assure you we will get far more than a stale bag of chips for McAsey. He is a homesick top 6 KPP pick that will have had 3 years in the system and no major injuries.

 

[Scorpus]

North should have done our deal and you can’t help but think they either didn’t do their due diligence on him or ignored any signs that he would not settle.

I wouldn’t go back as Rachele is a keeper but would definitely go back now with our 2022 and 2023 first round pick and their 2023 second round pick coming back.

Would even throw McAsey and/or Worrell in there to shift those 2023 picks back a round.

He's not settled at North because they are absolute garbage and he's a winner. Those sorts of people don't easily tolerate incompetence, which is basically the entire North Melbourne club.

Their due diligence likely found he was a star player and a must have for any club. Unfortunately what they didn't have is an environment worthy of that sort of player

 

[1970crow]

Rachele & Soligo vs JHF is looking OK?

Taylor shown enough in his limited SANFL outings?

Rachele obviously a talent but he had a couple of questionable effort moments that hinted he might need freshening up prior to injury intervening. Soligo looks a jet in the making.

 

[CrowToon]

I'd like to hear from this school peers. I wonder how he treated them.

 

[1970crow]

Settle down there slugger. Getting all kinds of worked up there mate. A lot of water to go under the bridge and was just a suggestion for a potential trade discussion.

I can assure you we will get far more than a stale bag of chips for McAsey. He is a homesick top 6 KPP pick that will have had 3 years in the system and no major injuries.

i'm thinking that's more an anti-port rant than being against looking at trade options to try and acquire required capital.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

I don't know, but they've pushed out best 22 players in the past. Wingard a prime example. When we do it it's because we've got lesser offers on the table, so it's a list management error not a strategic push.

You’d think if Port kept Wingard they would have won that 2020 flag

 

[Crow till I die]

I don't know, but they've pushed out best 22 players in the past. Wingard a prime example. When we do it it's because we've got lesser offers on the table, so it's a list management error not a strategic push.

No idea the contract status but i could easily see them offering their 1st, next years and duursma for JHF and maybe a 2nd coming back. If i was north and had to deal with port, i'd be stating marshall as part of any trade as he finally looks like the forward port hoped he could be

 

[Crow till I die]

Exactly, we can argue the merit of the strategy, whether they buy the right 'piece' or sell the right player, but it's unarguable that they don't sit on their hands if they see opportunity. They don't die wondering whereas we don't even wonder in the first place.

+1 this

 

[1970crow]

You’d think if Port kept Wingard they would have won that 2020 flag

that's a judgement call on whether they sold and acquired the right player(s). All of that is up for discussion, not the strategy itself though. Would they have gotten close without the strategy being in place in the first place?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

that's a judgement call on whether they sold and acquired the right player(s). All of that is up for discussion, not the strategy itself though. Would they have gotten close without the strategy being in place in the first place?

The strategy has to always be towards winning a flag. They can pat themselves on the back for an aggressive trade strategy, but it arguably cost them a flag by trading out an experienced all Australian for draft picks, no matter how well those drafted players turn out in the long run. When they had their prelim shot, none of their fabled 3 were in Wingard’s league.

And even now if they lose Amon, Georgiadis, Derrsma, it will make them weaker in the next few years. It might mean they are stronger in 3+ years but that’s when Boak, Gray, Dixon, Jonas etc are gone. Has all the hallmarks of a “make the 8 and anything can happen strategy”

 

[1970crow]

The strategy has to always be towards winning a flag. They can pat themselves on the back for an aggressive trade strategy, but it arguably cost them a flag by trading out an experienced all Australian for draft picks, no matter how well those drafted players turn out in the long run. When they had their prelim shot, none of their fabled 3 were in Wingard’s league.

And even now if they lose Amon, Georgiadis, Derrsma, it will make them weaker in the next few years. It might mean they are stronger in 3+ years but that’s when Boak, Gray, Dixon, Jonas etc are gone. Has all the hallmarks of a “make the 8 and anything can happen strategy”

Nah, the strategy is getting a group together to be in the top 4 for multiple years. This is what gives you a crack at a flag. Flag or not can come down to a single bounce of the ball, strategic success is getting close enough that a bounce ended up being the difference.

And even if you're right about Wingard being a mistake, that's not a valid argument against looking to trade out the right players to get the capital required to improve the best 22. It just seems blind PAFC hate, nothing more.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Nah, the strategy is getting a group together to be in the top 4 for multiple years. This is what gives you a crack at a flag. Flag or not can come down to a single bounce of the ball, strategic success is getting close enough that a bounce ended up being the difference.

And even if you're right about Wingard being a mistake, that's not a valid argument against looking to trade out the right players to get the capital required to improve the best 22. It just seems blind PAFC hate, nothing more.

Did Port win a flag?
Have they regressed this year?
Are their best players in the twilight of their careers?

Not so much blind hate as not getting sucked into the media hype.

 

[Amacca 23]

Did Port win a flag?
Have they regressed this year?
Are their best players in the twilight of their careers?

Not so much blind hate as not getting sucked into the media hype.

Improved they are going backwards their best player is boak who is holding that club together that says alot about their list

 

[1970crow]

Did Port win a flag?
Have they regressed this year?
Are their best players in the twilight of their careers?

Not so much blind hate as not getting sucked into the media hype.

what media hype? They've been pushing out players for 'missing pieces' before they were even close to competing and there being any media hype. It's just blind hate, it's ok, it runs very deep in some.

 

[1990crow]

Georgiades & Duursma Port's currency this year?

Two sanfl players?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

what media hype? They've been pushing out players for 'missing pieces' before they were even close to competing and there being any media hype. It's just blind hate, it's ok, it runs very deep in some.

Who did they push out before Wingard? It’s that draft period that got them Rozee that everyone uses as some justification that they are so much better at this than us. And my view is it cost them a flag so is a hard fail. Give me a reason why I am wrong instead of using the “blind hatred” term which you think makes you sound clever.

 

[ams4crows]

the thing with Port is that they're already working out who they can push out that has value to get the capital required. We wouldn't part with Matt Crouch because we believe that's not what good clubs do.

This is it, and exactly why people suggesting we have more capital need to have a rethink.

Particularly if Amon compensation turns out to be decent, Port aren't afraid to push out players to get what they want.

Geordiades is also looking to WA, Port will definitely have capital to get JHF

 

[Bearded Clam]

They don’t always get it right but port likely to be more aggressive at the trade table than us.

Absolutely no doubt about that.. look at what they gave up just to get the pick they used on Rozee..

And the lad looks like he’s flatlined.. his delivery kicks into his forward line are laughable.. barely ever finds and hits a target.

And he’s a gutless squib at the contest.

Then there was their laughable attempt at getting a good deal for Ladhams.. deludedly believed he was worth a first rounder.. and got put in their place by sydney in the end..

then what they had to do just to move up two draft spots last year.. to get Sinn.. who probably wouldve been there at their original pick anyway..

And they over pay sputs like motflop and trade in missing pieces like Orazio who barely even make it off the injury list..

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Geordiades is also looking to WA, Port will definitely have capital to get JHF

As will at least 5 other AFL Clubs .....why is it assumed, if JHF leaves NORTH, he comes to Sth Aust ??