Strategy Jason Horne-Francis: North trade him to Port for massive unders

[FR0GGY]

Anyone know what King is referencing in relation to lack of basic professionalism and basic standards?

The ice bath?

 

[Jack McKraken]

You are naive if you think every club isnt in contact with players playing interstate that they are interested in from the get go. Geelong with Bruhn for example. There are no rules around contracted players being spoken to.

Further, I’d be incredibly disappointed if we weren’t doing so! Would be negligent not to.

 

[1970crow]

Ok, I guess his mate was wrong.


Still, he flew home without North knowing.

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Yeh, north need stricter controls over players.

 

[Mutineer]

The ice bath?

There was certainly that but King has intimated the problem was much more general than that and you would think his association with guys like Boomer he would be getting pretty legit info.

I think with JHF he wanted to be pick 1 much more than he wanted to be at the Roos if that makes sense. Clarkson may have turned that around for 12 months but my gut feel is he was outta there at the 1st opportunity and most likely to Port.

 

[FR0GGY]

There was certainly that but King has intimated the problem was much more general than that and you would think his association with guys like Boomer he would be getting pretty legit info.

I think with JHF he wanted to be pick 1 much more than he wanted to be at the Roos if that makes sense. Clarkson may have turned that around for 12 months but my gut feel is he was outta there at the 1st opportunity and most likely to Port.

Be interesting to know what he actually said in his meetings with them.
I think players can have every intention of wanting to move intestate and think they’ll enjoy it, but it’s not for everyone clearly.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Brett Turner been delisted?

After a Burgess pre-season I wouldn't put it beyond him to contribute in the midfield either.

Big bodied midfielder/forward last time I looked?

Another win for your expert scouting.

 

[George Kramer]

Another win for your expert scouting.

We are saving the spot for Aaron Young he won the Magarey and had a good finals series

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

 

[FR0GGY]

No chance he’s still wearing north gear

 

[1990crow]

No chance he’s still wearing north gear

Kind of embarrassing for Zurhar.
Wasn't he considering a Bombers contract literally in the lead up to trade week?
Hypocrite.

 

[Tas]

There was certainly that but King has intimated the problem was much more general than that and you would think his association with guys like Boomer he would be getting pretty legit info.

I think with JHF he wanted to be pick 1 much more than he wanted to be at the Roos if that makes sense. Clarkson may have turned that around for 12 months but my gut feel is he was outta there at the 1st opportunity and most likely to Port.

I think King only scratched the surface, was just the lack of professionalism, not listening to coaches, mouthing off to veteran players, etc. A decade or two ago you would just have a boxing session and you would beat some humility into them but you can't do that anymore. So much for progress.

I think it really bothered him that Daicos was having the year he was having and in his mind it was probably because he was being carried by a good team rather him making Collingwood a better team due to his his hard work and professionalism to execute a role he was given to the best of his ability.

I wont detail everything, because a lot of it was sad and embarrassing for him, and unlike other North supporters, I am not really interested in following him his entire career and kicking him when he is down. In the end he just didn't buy into what he needed to do in order to be a professional footballer and if he wasn't good enough for our standard he wasn't good enough standard for anyone. For his sake I hope he matures quickly and puts in the hard yards if he wants to realise his potential.

It was so bad we couldn't realistically choose to not trade him as a contracted player because he would have been an unstabling influence on other kids.

 

[George Kramer]

I think King only scratched the surface, was just the lack of professionalism, not listening to coaches, mouthing off to veteran players, etc. A decade or two ago you would just have a boxing session and you would beat some humility into them but you can't do that anymore. So much for progress.

I think it really bothered him that Daicos was having the year he was having and in his mind it was probably because he was being carried by a good team rather him making Collingwood a better team due to his his hard work and professionalism to execute a role he was given to the best of his ability.

I wont detail everything, because a lot of it was sad and embarrassing for him, and unlike other North supporters, I am not really interested in following him his entire career and kicking him when he is down. In the end he just didn't buy into what he needed to do in order to be a professional footballer and if he wasn't good enough for our standard he wasn't good enough standard for anyone. For his sake I hope he matures quickly and puts in the hard yards if he wants to realise his potential.

It was so bad we couldn't realistically choose to not trade him as a contracted player because he would have been an unstabling influence on other kids.

You wonder how much of that was so you'd let him leave or if he's truly a twat, he does come across as the latter though

 

[cleanhands]

You wonder how much of that was so you'd let him leave or if he's truly a twat, he does come across as the latter though

The latter appears to come naturally to him

 

[crow2crow]

I think King only scratched the surface, was just the lack of professionalism, not listening to coaches, mouthing off to veteran players, etc. A decade or two ago you would just have a boxing session and you would beat some humility into them but you can't do that anymore. So much for progress.

I think it really bothered him that Daicos was having the year he was having and in his mind it was probably because he was being carried by a good team rather him making Collingwood a better team due to his his hard work and professionalism to execute a role he was given to the best of his ability.

I wont detail everything, because a lot of it was sad and embarrassing for him, and unlike other North supporters, I am not really interested in following him his entire career and kicking him when he is down. In the end he just didn't buy into what he needed to do in order to be a professional footballer and if he wasn't good enough for our standard he wasn't good enough standard for anyone. For his sake I hope he matures quickly and puts in the hard yards if he wants to realise his potential.

It was so bad we couldn't realistically choose to not trade him as a contracted player because he would have been an unstabling influence on other kids.

understand the desire to move on the bad egg to not upset the group

the only issue will be others who then think all i have to do is play up a bit and they will trade me out, and in a struggling team (not necessarily bottom) you dont want that. imagine if ben mackay decides he wants out or larkey and so on...

 

[Tas]

understand the desire to move on the bad egg to not upset the group

the only issue will be others who then think all i have to do is play up a bit and they will trade me out, and in a struggling team (not necessarily bottom) you dont want that. imagine if ben mackay decides he wants out or larkey and so on...

The onus is on the club to create the environment and the culture that makes players want to stay, a player doesn't really owe anything to a club other than to see out the contract they agree to. It is just disappointing that JHF couldn't stick it out for 2 years, given he said he wanted to go number one.

I get what you mean, but I don't think players need to do that, if JHF said I don't want to leave Adelaide we could have traded that pick last year. Rumour is Wardlaw and Sheezel told GWS that they would prefer to remain in Victoria so they would be flight risk if GWS pick one of them. It sounds like a shit thing for them to say but honesty is the best course of action, Cadman said he would be happy to move interstate so GWS wanted to secure pick 1 and not risk being stuck with another flight risk player. West Coast was happy to move back to where the WA players are expected to land. It might not be the most ideal scenario but having players bail one year in is a worse outcome.

We just need to become a lot more competitive on-field, you just can't go year after year getting your pants pulled down, nobody is going to buy into being in that kind of environment year after year.

 

[Tas]

You wonder how much of that was so you'd let him leave or if he's truly a twat, he does come across as the latter though

He is a weird unit, can't believe he rocked up to training at Port with a North training top on. Oh well, it's Port's problem now. I think once he matures he should be fine, he just doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed. Then again, Carey was as thick as two planks and he was pretty handy on-field. Off-field not so much.

 

[George Kramer]

He is a weird unit, can't believe he rocked up to training at Port with a North training top on. Oh well, it's Port's problem now. I think once he matures he should be fine, he just doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed. Then again, Carey was as thick as two planks and he was pretty handy on-field. Off-field not so much.

To change your name to Horne-Francis in honour of your woman bashing step-dad is a pretty clear signal he's a weird unit.

 

[FR0GGY]

PA always trying to wear other teams kits.

 

[crow2crow]

PA always trying to wear other teams kits.

all that was available at the op shop

 

[rabidcrow]

You wonder how much of that was so you'd let him leave or if he's truly a twat, he does come across as the latter though

I reckon most of it was the plan to get out and get traded. I look back at the name change, his purported desire to go to North and be no 1 (and have North not trade with us possibly) as a bit of an overall plan

Obviously the Clarko shambles and Dunkley choosing to go elsewhere allowed that to be bought forward a year


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[Sanders]

I get what you mean, but I don't think players need to do that, if JHF said I don't want to leave Adelaide we could have traded that pick last year.

Yes, I believe you could have

 

[kirky]

Personally I think he comes across as being pissed off as well for not being able to be the classified as Rising Star giving his was the no 1 pick.

Another thing he could put on his resume he was hoping I would hazard to guess.

 

[cleanhands]

Personally I think he comes across as being pissed off as well for not being able to be the classified as Rising Star giving his was the no 1 pick.

Another thing he could put on his resume he was hoping.

Drinks too much of his bath water

 

[FR0GGY]

Drinks too much of his bath water

Would be clean, because apparently he doesn’t use them.

 

[cleanhands]

Would be clean, because apparently he doesn’t use them.

PS… No ice in the drinks