Strategy Jason Horne-Francis: North trade him to Port for massive unders

[whattagun07]

Jeez if port trade Georgiadis, how are they planning on kicking goals for the next few years?

Orazio and Charlie??

 

[Bearded Clam]

you'd be surprised about how many posts you have that totally blow aoart what you're currently professing. In fact there's another where you propose trading out best 22 players just to get Rozee. And I only looked at a handful of your posts with "Rozee" searched. It's just Port hatred, nothing more.

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Yeah.. i was ****n dreaming!..

Glad we didnt sell the house for Rozee now!

 

[FR0GGY]

I hate homesickness as an excuse. Its the only professional sport in the world where homesickness is used. Especially when some players desperate for an AFL contract play in multiple state leagues all over Australia desperate to impress. Player movement is way to easy.

Maybe not for a grown man, but a kid that’s lives at home all their life moves state, starts a new professional career it’s massive.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Maybe not for a grown man, but a kid that’s lives at home all their life moves state, starts a new professional career it’s massive.

Nah ! ....it's an excuse mostly ....if a kid is going to be homesick, then DO NOT enter the Draft ....wait a couple of years, to mature

It's either a Professional Sport .....or a "pretend" Professional Sport

 

[WetCrow1991]

I can understand players that like beaches wanting to come back to SA from Melbourne. Much better beaches and waves close to Adelaide than anything Melbourne has to offer.

 

[ABAB]

They don’t always get it right but port likely to be more aggressive at the trade table than us.

Didn't work last year for Dawson did it? Port Power only recruit whoever wanted to join them, the only player we wanted were Polec and Motlop who were both offered more money than us and didn't we dodge a bullet on both.

 

[ABAB]

Exactly, we can argue the merit of the strategy, whether they buy the right 'piece' or sell the right player, but it's unarguable that they don't sit on their hands if they see opportunity. They don't die wondering whereas we don't even wonder in the first place.

Guess we are starting to change since we were reportedly in Dawson's ear since May last year and also offered 2 1st rounders for North's 1st pick.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

The strategy to get Hately was pretty aggressive. Doing the Liam Stocker

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pick swap with Carlton was pretty ballsy. A few people on here have their “we suck, Port rules” blinkers on.

 

[ABAB]

Rachele obviously a talent but he had a couple of questionable effort moments that hinted he might need freshening up prior to injury intervening. Soligo looks a jet in the making.

And kicked a 50m+ bomb in play before the injury.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Interesting the fact that it unravelled so quickly reflects poorly on him too. My gut is he will do everything he can to get to port . Whilst we should absolutely try to get him we utterly mismanaged the draft . Hate to say it but if port had the same trade currency that we had they would have done whatever it takes. We are soft

Huh? What else would port have done that would get north to trade pick1?

 

[FR0GGY]

Nah ! ....it's an excuse mostly ....if a kid is going to be homesick, then DO NOT enter the Draft ....wait a couple of years, to mature

It's either a Professional Sport .....or a "pretend" Professional Sport

Why? The afl are the ones that don’t let them say their true feelings if they don’t want to move, also things can change they may think they want to move but when they do they don’t like it.
They sign a contract and the club don’t have to trade them if they don’t want to.

 

[1970crow]

I hate homesickness as an excuse. Its the only professional sport in the world where homesickness is used. Especially when some players desperate for an AFL contract play in multiple state leagues all over Australia desperate to impress. Player movement is way to easy.

I don’t think it’s just that though. There’s many reasons that things aren’t going as you’d hoped that would manifest as wanting to return to the place where everything was going your way. I get terrible separation anxiety if I have to travel without my bulldogs. So I choose not to, but if I was forced you can get I’d be counting every second until I could get home. Homesickness can be a symptom, it’s not necessarily the primary cause.

 

[1970crow]

Yeah.. i was duckn dreaming!..

Glad we didnt sell the house for Rozee now!

No, you understand that it’s a viable strategy and totally worthwhile. But like anything list management related, it can go horribly wrong.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Why? The afl are the ones that don’t let them say their true feelings if they don’t want to move, also things can change they may think they want to move but when they do they don’t like it.
They sign a contract and the club don’t have to trade them if they don’t want to.

Don't see these amateurish player sentiments in true professional leagues .....try using homesickness in American Sport ....you'd be spat out of the system in a millisecond

Fact we even discuss the merits of homesickness, simply shows, we are a mile off being a truly professional sport

Players want the big $$$$ .....and still have the option of choosing where they play .....it's a joke

 

[FR0GGY]

Don't see these amateurish player sentiments in true professional leagues .....try using homesickness in American Sport ....you'd be spat out of the system in a millisecond

Fact we even discuss the merits of homesickness, simply shows, we are a mile off being a truly professional sport

Players want the big $$$$ .....and still have the option of choosing where they play .....it's a joke

Why does it matter? These American sports aren’t even comparable to the money earnt here.
Players in the US could afford to buy houses for their whole family in the place they move to, it’s so different it’s not funny.
What age do they get drafted at?

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Been thinking about JHF a bit.

Whilst he's obviously a great talent, and the style of player we could certainly do with, Im worried we'd be selling the farm for him.

Can we really afford to part with two or three top end picks for the sake of one player? We still have too many gaps in our list to part with that sort of currency for just one player.

- we must invest midfield time in our 20-22 year old mids - Berry, Hately, Harry

- Rachelle could still develop his engine and become an elite mid who hits the scoreboard.

- Soligo looks tough as nails, is quick and can also use the ball reasonably well. I'm hopeful he can become a full time mid.

- Pedlar is potentially an elite user who we still need to invest time in.

- Gollant may be out the door at seasons end, Fog is a 2nd/3rd string forward at best, and Thilthorpe may not even be a perm forward for us.

I think we need to tank from here and ensure we can recruit Tom Scully in the draft.

Tell me which big deal trades have worked out for the club receiving the gun..

Last I checked, the following teams didn't win a flag off the back of their big deals. Sure the Dogs got a good GF out of Boyd, but he didn't exactly help get them there, and he certainly didn't do much after. They got lucky with him on GF day.

Geelong paying 9, 28 and Gore for Dangerfield.

Bris paying 5, 25 and Crisp for Beames

Dogs paying Griffen and 6 for Boyd

Carl paying 3, 20 and Kennedy for Judd

Haw paying 15, 35 and Burton for Wingard

Ess paying 9 and 14 for Shiel and 42

Freo paying 6 and 23 for Hogan

WCE paying a shitload of picks for T.Kelly

Not many clear winners in there for the team receiving the gun, when you consider they've sacrificed some of their future.

I'd rather invest in the draft and youth for a couple more years, then top up via Free Agency / Trade in a couple of years once we know where we are at.

Imagine if we'd spent two first rounders to get Luko back a couple of years ago.

We would probably have no Rachele or Thilthorpe.

Ideally we used a top 5 pick at the draft this year then still trade for JHF next year.
But waiting might complicate things and you need to strike while the irons hot.

 

[ABAB]

I don't know, but they've pushed out best 22 players in the past. Wingard a prime example. When we do it it's because we've got lesser offers on the table, so it's a list management error not a strategic push.

Port Power "pushed out" Wingard to get Burton (as this was the player Clarkson was happy to let go), pick 15, Mayes and an upgrade of pick 6 to 5. Were any of these strategic push or just an after thought with Wingard calling their "bluff". So what players did they push out in the past to get what they wanted? I'll say both of Wingard and Ladhams had a fall out with Hinkley (as reportedly) and that's why they asked for a trade.

 

[LoBu]

I'd like to hear from this school peers. I wonder how he treated them.

Yeah, how many people went to his birthday party?

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[AFC979810]

Why does it matter? These American sports aren’t even comparable to the money earnt here.
Players in the US could afford to buy houses for their whole family in the place they move to, it’s so different it’s not funny.
What age do they get drafted at?

Most American athletes travel across the country at 18 to go to college (and earn nothing) for a chance to play NHL/NBA/NFL.

I haven't heard any of many (if any) college transfers for homesickness at collegiate level, let alone pro.

Its a pretty astounding quirk of Australian sport and doesn't exist in any other professional sport.

 

[rabidcrow]

He did have to move interstate young so he might be not just adjusting well or simply hate the Melbourne life style and isn't coping, he hasn't shown this type of behaviour and attitude playing in the SANFL. And this was the point of me saying he shouldn't nominate as this will be seen as a big positive of his character from the possible worst situation wanting out of a club after only a year of being drafted using pick 1.

Perhaps someone has put a massive deal in front of him and he wants to get to it. At the end of the day force a trade this year or next North fans and some general AFL fans will always hate him - may as well push out hard and get your career started where you want it to be

I do reflect on the stories around North not interviewing him until late in the piece and then defending criticism of that with “that’s how they do it” - looks really bad for them now


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[rabidcrow]

They won't trade with anyone he doesn't allow them to.

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So he stays for another year? North need to get good value for letting him go


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[Geoffa32]

Most American athletes travel across the country at 18 to go to college (and earn nothing) for a chance to play NHL/NBA/NFL.

I haven't heard any of many (if any) college transfers for homesickness at collegiate level, let alone pro.

Its a pretty astounding quirk of Australian sport and doesn't exist in any other professional sport.

Different culture though. Going to college outside of your home state is common not just for athletes. Very common to not live in your home state /town after high school.



Bruce Djite made a good comment on 5AA when Travis Boak was using Geelong to extract more coin out of Port all those years ago.
Djite said the AFL guys are babies compared to Soccer. Living in Adelaide, you can fly to Melbourne for lunch, catch up with family on a day off. Hard to do for most professional soccer players.

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[CrowFan77]

Why does it matter? These American sports aren’t even comparable to the money earnt here.
What age do they get drafted at?

21 in the NFL

 

[rabidcrow]

So who would we give up to make the deal happen?
For me the only untouchables are Dawson, Rachele and Thilthorpe
Ideally a first rounder, a second and a player

Port have better player options in Butters, Georgiades or Duursma


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[betterthanu]

Most American athletes travel across the country at 18 to go to college (and earn nothing) for a chance to play NHL/NBA/NFL.

I haven't heard any of many (if any) college transfers for homesickness at collegiate level, let alone pro.

Its a pretty astounding quirk of Australian sport and doesn't exist in any other professional sport.

US sports players earn enough to move their entire families to wherever they live including having their friends as part of their entourage. Same with top level Soccer players