NO TROLLS Jordan De Goey arrested for assault in New York

[Wosh]

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[daicosdemis]

Yeah I don't think I'm gonna 'bet my life' on something that none of us have any idea about. You're also literally just making sh*t up with no evidence when you state the above.

There's just as much likelihood that the victim dropped it because De Goey enlisted the services of a high profile law firm - same one that defended Weinstein, Jay Z and P Diddy - and decided this was not worth the publicity and the hassle.

If you actually read the articles I posted earlier, you'd know that even when the accuser is identified and evidence is available, very rarely does it make all the way to a formalized rape verdict - as the charged are dropped down to lesser charges or a plea deal is reached due to cases dragging out for years (ala De Goey and the local domestic case being dismissed after 2 years of being deferred).

To so callously disregard any issues with the legal system, and the absolute mountain of peer-reviewed evidence that shows just how stacked the system is against rape victims - is f*cking disgusting and completely tone deaf.

I'm not making anything up, i guarantee you there is CCTV footage showing almost everything that happened in the club.
I have nearly two decades experience of searching and handing over footage to Police over vic metro incidents.
Allegations are exaggerated most of the time, sometimes completely false. anyone that has worked extensively in security/police will tell you this.

 

[The Passenger]

Imagine being so far down the rabbit hole you attempt to turn a thread about a potential sexual assault charge into a political shit fight.

P.S. It's weird when people talk to themselves.

 

[JackOutback]

I'm not making anything up, i guarantee you there is CCTV footage showing almost everything that happened in the club.
I have nearly two decades experience of searching and handing over footage to Police over vic metro incidents.
Allegations are exaggerated most of the time, sometimes completely false. anyone that has worked extensively in security/police will tell you this.

From all the vagina-level cameras inside the darkened nightclub?

The last statement is complete bollocks and says more about you than anyone that has ever made a complaint to police.

 

[dmc333]

Have the forcible touching charges against his mate also been dropped?

Yep, their charges are identical.

 

[TheUnicorn]

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Imagine being so far down the rabbit hole you attempt to turn a thread about a potential sexual assault charge into a political sh*t fight.

P.S. It's weird when people talk to themselves.

Please for the love of god click the little light bulb in the top right!

 

[daicosdemis]

From all the vagina-level cameras inside the darkened nightclub?

The last statement is complete bollocks and says more about you than anyone that has ever made a complaint to police.

I don't know what backward equipment you are familiar with but PTZ cameras are highly capable.
My last statement says that people that are emotional and and flustered don't usually give accurate details, you have to be an idiot not to realise that.

 

[footyfan1978]

I'm not making anything up, i guarantee you there is CCTV footage showing almost everything that happened in the club.

How is he going to make the footage of him kicking a guy on the ground, go away?
I assume that beyond his resources so sounds like legal firm will just find a way to do a deal to try to avoid him doing jail time.

 

[JackOutback]

I don't know what backward equipment you are familiar with but PTZ cameras are highly capable.
My last statement says that people that are emotional and and flustered don't usually give accurate details, you have to be an idiot not to realise that.

There's a big difference between being unable to recall with total accuracy the events in question (which is indeed an issue) to allegations being exaggerated most of the time. Believe it or not, most women don't make complaints to police of a sexual nature because of the inherent fun involved. As has been pointed out, women are far more likely to see complaints bargained down, dismissed for 'lack of evidence' or simply disregarded as 'he said, she said' than men are to be convicted falsely.

 

[Westicle]

Wow you're so concerned about the minute number of false allegations, yet you couldn't care less about the vast majority of allegations that go unprosecuted, due to the harrowing nature of having your entire persona dragged through the courts and picked apart by the prosecution for an average of two years - and that still doesn't usually result in a prosecution of rape, but a lesser assault charge.

Fascinating that you're so worried about these 'poor innocent men', but you don't spare a thought for women getting r*ped every 30 minutes and f*ck all being done about it due to a legal system heavily weighted against them.

Round of applause for you.

You seem a little worked up about this. You've now accused me and another poster of saying things we never said. Perhaps reflect on how you respond to challenging topics and opinions because throwing tantrums is not productive.

Your offensive assumption that I "couldn't care less" about victims is so far off base it isn't funny. I guarantee I have more experience in this area than you do.

Your quote, presumably attributed to me, about "poor innocent men" is surprising given I didn't mention men or even gender in my comment.

Sorry that I'm not interested in "furthering a narrative", I prefer to live in the real world and call it as I see it.

 

[Kipz]

What the hell are you on about?

Hes on about his 14th goon

 

[Westicle]

The last statement is complete bollocks and says more about you than anyone that has ever made a complaint to police.

Tell me you've never investigated complaints of sexual assault without telling me you've never investigated complaints of sexual assault...

 

[The 747]

The vast majority off allegations get dropped because of evidence that contradicts the allegations. You can bet your life that there is CCTV footage of De Goey NOT forcibly touching the alleged victim, hence the charges being dropped.

Take it with a grain of salt but it was reported (HS I think) that the charges were dropped because the woman wanted to drop the matter. Perhaps wa$n't worth the ha$$le.

 

[Taylor]

The vast majority off allegations get dropped because of evidence that contradicts the allegations. You can bet your life that there is CCTV footage of De Goey NOT forcibly touching the alleged victim, hence the charges being dropped.

Nah, it's because without the video showing an assault occurring it's a case of his word against hers and that goes nowhere. Video doesn't have to exonerate him for it to be the reason why the case goes nowhere.

If Jordan was stupid enough to tell the police during interrogation that he did touch her and knew she didn't want it - then he is done.

But guess not.

 

[Taylor]

Take it with a grain of salt but it was reported (HS I think) that the charges were dropped because the woman wanted to drop the matter. Perhaps wa$n't worth the ha$$le.

That's what I'd do. Pay her $50,000 and he goes into the list of men who have touched her without permission at clubs - but this one besides also not getting any legal punishment at least got her something from it to try and make it someways right.

 

[JackOutback]

Tell me you've never investigated complaints of sexual assault without telling me you've never investigated complaints of sexual assault...

As I said, there's a difference between not getting every precise detail correct (something that is not expected of someone that has been the victim of a sexual assault) and cases being exaggerated most of the time. The evidence is on the last page, half of women dropping out of complaints even after the suspect is identified, just one in 10 rape cases resulting in a conviction. Unless you believe 90 per cent of complaints are false and women simply enjoy the process, it's pretty clear which way the system is slanted.

Watching fragile men try to claim victim status in the realm of sexual assault is mind boggling.

 

[Shadow89]

You seem a little worked up about this. You've now accused me and another poster of saying things we never said. Perhaps reflect on how you respond to challenging topics and opinions because throwing tantrums is not productive.

Your offensive assumption that I "couldn't care less" about victims is so far off base it isn't funny. I guarantee I have more experience in this area than you do.

Your quote, presumably attributed to me, about "poor innocent men" is surprising given I didn't mention men or even gender in my comment.

Sorry that I'm not interested in "furthering a narrative", I prefer to live in the real world and call it as I see it.

You might want to remember what you said before you go playing the politician style 'I'm so offended', card:


"Also very easy to make a false claim. No physical evidence, very damaging to the reputation of the accused, great way to extort and/or punish someone for a perceived slight (or provide an "easy" explanation for what is often a messy and nuanced situation). The dirty little secret of working in sexual offences is how many complaints don't proceed because they lack credibility. The stats you are talking about record these matters as complaints that do not proceed to charges, but everyone involved in the process knows an assault either didn't happen, or didn't happen in the way alleged by the complainant."

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You're literally parroting the same nonsense that chauvinistic men who think women all lie, say all over toxic forums like 8chan.

Just because you think you're not doing it, doesn't mean you aren't. You are literally reinforcing a trope that doesn't exist, that states men are falsely accused of most sexual assault crimes.

Don't cry 'you're overreacting/throwing a tantrum/I'm offended' - when you make ridiculous generalizations that are not based in fact/have no peer reviewed evidence to support them.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Walking in a room like his Tyson showing off his tatts
Are these jokers aware what losers they are?
I mean really

 

[Westicle]

You might want to remember what you said before you go playing the politician style 'I'm so offended', card:


"Also very easy to make a false claim. No physical evidence, very damaging to the reputation of the accused, great way to extort and/or punish someone for a perceived slight (or provide an "easy" explanation for what is often a messy and nuanced situation). The dirty little secret of working in sexual offences is how many complaints don't proceed because they lack credibility. The stats you are talking about record these matters as complaints that do not proceed to charges, but everyone involved in the process knows an assault either didn't happen, or didn't happen in the way alleged by the complainant."

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You're literally parroting the same nonsense that chauvinistic men who think women all lie, say all over toxic forums like 8chan.

Just because you think you're not doing it, doesn't mean you aren't. You are literally reinforcing a trope that doesn't exist, that states men are falsely accused of most sexual assault crimes.

Don't cry 'you're overreacting/throwing a tantrum/I'm offended' - when you make ridiculous generalizations that are not based in fact/have no peer reviewed evidence to support them.

Again, reading comprehension is important here. You'll note I never said all women lie. I actually didn't say anything about women at all.

All I said was that a material number of complaints do not proceed because the complaint lacks credibility. That usually means that the complaint is contradicted by direct evidence or is internally contradictory. This is factually based and reflects the experience of everyone that works in this area. For some reason you think that entitles you to put words in my mouth about gender politics. For the record, you're the only one bringing up gender here.

 

[Toump Ass]

Man I spent 20 years going to nightclubs and bars flat out and no woman ever made up stories of me sexually assaulting them, but poor Jordan DeGoey has had this happen to him not once but twice in two separate continents no less, and only a few years apart. What are the chances?!?!? Somewhat unlikely I would say?

 

[Shadow89]

Again, reading comprehension is important here. You'll note I never said all women lie. I actually didn't say anything about women at all.

All I said was that a material number of complaints do not proceed because the complaint lacks credibility. That usually means that the complaint is contradicted by direct evidence or is internally contradictory. This is factually based and reflects the experience of everyone that works in this area. For some reason you think that entitles you to put words in my mouth about gender politics. For the record, you're the only one bringing up gender here.

Well given that on average 9/10 sexual assaults are from men against women, you're damn right I am. You can't act like this isn't about gender, when the vast majority of accusations are from women against men. That's fact. Just because you didn't explicitly state anything about gender, doesn't mean the narrative of men being falsely accused isn't implied.

 

[The Passenger]

As I said, there's a difference between not getting every precise detail correct (something that is not expected of someone that has been the victim of a sexual assault) and cases being exaggerated most of the time. The evidence is on the last page, half of women dropping out of complaints even after the suspect is identified, just one in 10 rape cases resulting in a conviction. Unless you believe 90 per cent of complaints are false and women simply enjoy the process, it's pretty clear which way the system is slanted.

Watching fragile men try to claim victim status in the realm of sexual assault is mind boggling.

Unfortunately one of my Mrs best mates is a copper in the sexual crimes department and it's a really tough job to get a conviction to go all the way. As an aside it's a bloody mentally gruelling task, even if the success rate of convictions was higher. She's mentioned many occasions were her or a colleague has spent a year-plus on a case, gathered what they believed was enough evidence for a case, only for the woman to decide she doesn't want to testify in a court with lawyers picking apart her personality. One only has to see what happened in an infamous court case in Ireland were the lawyer pulled out the woman's underwear to see why this would be such a harrowing ordeal - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46207304

Not that I'm a card carrying "back the blue" member or anything like that, but I reckon once a copper goes around the block a few times they'd get a pretty innate sense of whether something has happened or not. But there's a big difference between that and gathering enough evidence to provide a conviction. To be honest, that is the way it should be. As brutal as that is at times.

 

[daicosdemis]

Nah, it's because without the video showing an assault occurring it's a case of his word against hers and that goes nowhere.

But guess not.

Nope, if footage covers the incident from start to finish its definitely not a his word versus hers scenario.

 

[Taylor]

Nope, if footage covers the incident from start to finish its definitely not a his word versus hers scenario.

We don't disagree. I don't have faith in a nightclub camera being definitive.

 

[tandino]

Unfortunately one of my Mrs best mates is a copper in the sexual crimes department and it's a really tough job to get a conviction to go all the way. As an aside it's a bloody mentally gruelling task, even if the success rate of convictions was higher. She's mentioned many occasions were her or a colleague has spent a year-plus on a case, gathered what they believed was enough evidence for a case, only for the woman to decide she doesn't want to testify in a court with lawyers picking apart her personality. One only has to see what happened in an infamous court case in Ireland were the lawyer pulled out the woman's underwear to see why this would be such a harrowing ordeal - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46207304

Not that I'm a card carrying "back the blue" member or anything like that, but I reckon once a copper goes around the block a few times they'd get a pretty innate sense of whether something has happened or not. But there's a big difference between that and gathering enough evidence to provide a conviction. To be honest, that is the way it should be. As brutal as that is at times.

This article from earlier in the year offers some ideas on how a resolution may be achieved in other ways. Well worth a read.

https://theconversation.com/almost-90-of-sexual-assault-victims-do-not-go-to-police-this-is-how-we-can-achieve-justice-for-survivors-157601

 

[daicosdemis]

There's a big difference between being unable to recall with total accuracy the events in question (which is indeed an issue) to allegations being exaggerated most of the time. Believe it or not, most women don't make complaints to police of a sexual nature because of the inherent fun involved. As has been pointed out, women are far more likely to see complaints bargained down, dismissed for 'lack of evidence' or simply disregarded as 'he said, she said' than men are to be convicted falsely.

Most of the incidents we deal with are fights/assaults. Take a guess how many people are honest with Vicpol about who initiated, who the aggressor was.
As for the second part of your quote, one person convicted falsely would be infinitely worse than 10 guilty people being able to walk. This mentality should be prevailing in all cases.