NO TROLLS Jordan De Goey arrested for assault in New York

[Wosh]

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[Dangerousfield]

How is he going to make the footage of him kicking a guy on the ground, go away?
I assume that beyond his resources so sounds like legal firm will just find a way to do a deal to try to avoid him doing jail time.

Enough money will make most things go away - just saying!

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Enough money will make most things go away - just saying!

how much do you want?

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

Twice accused of some form of indecent assault, both times with another male accused. I'm sure its a real common occurrence that happens to good blokes all the time.

 

[BringOn2017]

What happens from a legal point of view if all charges are dropped/found not guilty but Collingwood still want to delist him ?

 

[deanc]

they likely do - but these places do not have coverage that can see through people. In a crowded club, its likely that there would be many scenarios where vision is blocked / unclear or with insufficient coverage at crotch level to determine if she was being groped and by who. Cameras simply cannot cover every single movement by every single person.

so - just because it might not be clearly demonstrated by video, it doesnt mean it is a false alegation

Agree, I also suspect the alleged victim withdrew the 'forcible touching' charge/s because:

A. She and her lawyer discover her accused has engaged high profile legal representation;
B. She and her lawyer were also advised CCTV footage of the specific touching does not exist;
C. Her lawyer wants to avoid a costly possible counterclaim, which is very common in the US...

 

[Sky]

No trolls in the title but trolling JDG is him getting off easy. I’d like to think if any of us personally knew him and considered him a friend we’d give the guy a hiding before cutting him off

 

[76woodenspooners]

What happens from a legal point of view if all charges are dropped/found not guilty but Collingwood still want to delist him ?

Collingwood may choose to simply pay him out?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

The fact Jail Niall said the Pies are very very likely to cut JDG loose is a sure sign he is out of the door at Collingwood, even if found not guilty in court.

He has more solid intel/contacts at Collingwood than anyone.

 

[MarcusP2]

Agree, I also suspect the alleged victim withdrew the 'forcible touching' charge/s because:

A. She and her lawyer discover her accused has engaged high profile legal representation;
B. She and her lawyer were also advised CCTV footage of the specific touching does not exist;
C. Her lawyer wants to avoid a costly possible counterclaim, which is very common in the US...

She's a witness, she can't withdraw anything.

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[deanc]

She's a witness, she can't withdraw anything.

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Yes, tiny misunderstanding of my post - as I'm referring to the original charges filed against these boof-heads by her, not what remains. Moreover she and 20 others would likely be witnesses to the alleged assault, not to mention CCTV probably also has footage...

 

[The 747]

She's a witness, she can't withdraw anything.

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They are not going to prosecute without her testimony.

 

[MarcusP2]

They are not going to prosecute without her testimony.

Yes, but the 'she and her lawyer withdrew the charges' is nonsense.

 

[loki04]

He broke a finger really badly during a preseason playing cricket and lied to the club saying that he broke it playing with his dogs.


edit: Scratch that, he got into a fight in a club where he broke his hand and lied about by saying that he hurt it playing frisbee with his dogs. Don't know where I got the cricket from.

Cricket incident was Howe.

 

[loki04]

Tbh, his track record doesn't need to factor into it.

This fallacy of women inventing assault charges is just a joke and isn't worth consideration. Sure, it extremely rarely happens, but 99.9999 times out of 100 the accusation is true.

The woman says he did it. He did it.

Rubbish, you can read many stories of females lying for various reasons where the guy was proven innocent.
Revenge, vindictiveness for being rejected, for attention, regret, mental illness.
It's why you need some sort of proof and not just he said she said.

 

[theyellowsash]

Rubbish, you can read many stories of females lying for various reasons where the guy was proven innocent.
Revenge, vindictiveness for being rejected, for attention, regret, mental illness.
It's why you need some sort of proof and not just he said she said.

 

[loki04]

Oh the old deflection chestnut.

It doesn't matter if men have held power since the beginning of time, what matters is that each individual is able to have justice whether that's against malicious lies or against a sexual predator (male or female).

Saying its okay if innocent men go to jail, get permanently labelled and defamed, assaulted etc because men as a species had power is lunacy.
Ask a few African American men who spent decades in prison for rape of a white woman only for them to come out 30 years later and admit they lied...

It can be weaponised and if there was no due process a lot of innocent people would pay a big price.

 

[Soggy2112]

Rubbish, you can read many stories of females lying for various reasons where the guy was proven innocent.
Revenge, vindictiveness for being rejected, for attention, regret, mental illness.
It's why you need some sort of proof and not just he said she said.

Yes, from a legal perspective you need to be proven guilty, and in both instances he’s had that right.

However, in my opinion, based on his track record, and the evidence provided it is highly unlikely that he would have two allegations, on opposite sides of the world, made against him without there being some truth in any of them.

Once again, in my opinion, I think that it is likely that JDG is the kind of bloke who “pushes the boundaries”, for lack of a better term, when it comes to this kind of thing, and has likely got away with various levels of sexual assault on multiple occasions.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that some players go through their whole career without attracting any of this kind of attention, while others are repeatedly in trouble. JDG has had plenty of chances, and can’t seem to stay out of trouble, and Collingwood would be wise to cut ties with him.

 

[Mofra]

The fact Jail Niall said the Pies are very very likely to cut JDG loose is a sure sign he is out of the door at Collingwood, even if found not guilty in court.

He has more solid intel/contacts at Collingwood than anyone.

The fact he's out boozing in NYC when he's meant to be at a high-performance training camp in California is a concern by itself, regardless of the dropkick mate he hangs out with or what nefarious activities he got up to in the nightclub.

 

[loki04]

Yes, from a legal perspective you need to be proven guilty, and in both instances he’s had that right.

However, in my opinion, based on his track record, and the evidence provided it is highly unlikely that he would have two allegations, on opposite sides of the world, made against him without there being some truth in any of them.

Once again, in my opinion, I think that it is likely that JDG is the kind of bloke who “pushes the boundaries”, for lack of a better term, when it comes to this kind of thing, and has likely got away with various levels of sexual assault on multiple occasions.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that some players go through their whole career without attracting any of this kind of attention, while others are repeatedly in trouble. JDG has had plenty of chances, and can’t seem to stay out of trouble, and Collingwood would be wise to cut ties with him.

The comment was not about Degoey' case they were speaking in general, saying if a woman said it happened then it did.

 

[The City Boyz]

From the HUN today -

Jordan De Goey

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Jordan De Goey

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28

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188cm

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93kg

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9.7

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6.2

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M

2.8

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1.7

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2.3

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11.6

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5.4

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’s training partner Peter Adderton has said he knows the “real story” behind why a forcible touching charge against the Collingwood star was dropped and the club should be “ashamed” for rushing to judgment.
The Boost Mobile founder returned to Australia after riding with De Goey in the United States, while the midfielder returned to training in California with W Training Facility owner Johnny Louch.

Adderton was pictured in riding gear with De Goey in an image posted online by Louch in the days before the football star’s New York arrest.


Adderton has spent the past week launching a fierce defence of De Goey with stinging comments against Collingwood leadership trying to protect themselves and the media chasing a headline.

He said the club should be “ashamed” of themselves for suspending De Goey indefinitely before looking at the facts.

“The charge should never have been there in the first place, and when real story comes out lot of the media will have egg on there faces, and @collingwood_fc leadership should have waited before taking action,” Adderton said in an Instagram post after the forcible touching charge was dropped.

In an earlier post, Adderton wrote he spent the past month getting to know De Goey and that “some of the stories I am seeing are simply not true and the truth is not even close to the stories I am reading.”

“There is way more to this than people know,” he said in follow-up comments.

Police originally charged De Goey and his Aussie mate Luke Dyson with groping a woman during a wild Halloween party in the early hours of October 30, but prosecutors dropped the charge by the time they faced New York Criminal Court.


De Goey returned to California after he was released on bail without any restrictions on travel. His case is scheduled to come before the court again on December 8, but he may not be required to attend in person.


While De Goey has remained silent, News Corp understands a statement is expected to be released within days

Adderton, meanwhile, has been commenting voraciously since the arrest with images posted suggesting he the 25-year-old is being judged in a “trial by media” and that “stronger people stand up for others”.


“They [club leadership] all should be ashamed this is a kids career and life the least you can do is hear the facts and evidence first before taking action but they only care about how they could look…” he wrote on Instagram.

“The @jordydegoey case has once again proven that the media are out of control for the rush of a headline and then they worry about the facts and truth later, no evidence, no CCTV, no eye witnesses, no hearing from the other side, the ones who should be put on trail for this are the very Media themselves, followed by the Snr decision makers at @collingwood_fc for there rush to judgment,” he added.

 

[Osho]

From the HUN today -

Jordan De Goey’s training partner Peter Adderton has said he knows the “real story” behind why a forcible touching charge against the Collingwood star was dropped and the club should be “ashamed” for rushing to judgment.
The Boost Mobile founder returned to Australia after riding with De Goey in the United States, while the midfielder returned to training in California with W Training Facility owner Johnny Louch.

Adderton was pictured in riding gear with De Goey in an image posted online by Louch in the days before the football star’s New York arrest.


Adderton has spent the past week launching a fierce defence of De Goey with stinging comments against Collingwood leadership trying to protect themselves and the media chasing a headline.

He said the club should be “ashamed” of themselves for suspending De Goey indefinitely before looking at the facts.

“The charge should never have been there in the first place, and when real story comes out lot of the media will have egg on there faces, and @collingwood_fc leadership should have waited before taking action,” Adderton said in an Instagram post after the forcible touching charge was dropped.

In an earlier post, Adderton wrote he spent the past month getting to know De Goey and that “some of the stories I am seeing are simply not true and the truth is not even close to the stories I am reading.”

“There is way more to this than people know,” he said in follow-up comments.

Police originally charged De Goey and his Aussie mate Luke Dyson with groping a woman during a wild Halloween party in the early hours of October 30, but prosecutors dropped the charge by the time they faced New York Criminal Court.


De Goey returned to California after he was released on bail without any restrictions on travel. His case is scheduled to come before the court again on December 8, but he may not be required to attend in person.


While De Goey has remained silent, News Corp understands a statement is expected to be released within days

Adderton, meanwhile, has been commenting voraciously since the arrest with images posted suggesting he the 25-year-old is being judged in a “trial by media” and that “stronger people stand up for others”.


“They [club leadership] all should be ashamed this is a kids career and life the least you can do is hear the facts and evidence first before taking action but they only care about how they could look…” he wrote on Instagram.

“The @jordydegoey case has once again proven that the media are out of control for the rush of a headline and then they worry about the facts and truth later, no evidence, no CCTV, no eye witnesses, no hearing from the other side, the ones who should be put on trail for this are the very Media themselves, followed by the Snr decision makers at @collingwood_fc for there rush to judgment,” he added.

The outrage grows, now they want due process and attention to facts? Who do they think they are?

 

[Soggy2112]

The comment was not about Degoey' case they were speaking in general, saying if a woman said it happened then it did.

Yeah that’s taking it to the extreme.

I think the issue is that often when charges are dropped people act like that means nothing happened. It just means that there wasn’t enough evidence to get a conviction.

A lot of people, and we saw it online with JDG’s first case, love to scream about how he’s innocent until proven guilty. Yes he has that right, but the woman also has the right to be assumed innocent of making a false accusation unless that is proven true.

 

[Osho]

Yeah that’s taking it to the extreme.

I think the issue is that often when charges are dropped people act like that means nothing happened. It just means that there wasn’t enough evidence to get a conviction.

A lot of people, and we saw it online with JDG’s first case, love to scream about how he’s innocent until proven guilty. Yes he has that right, but the woman also has the right to be assumed innocent of making a false accusation unless that is proven true.

Indeed.
Tarah Reade.

 

[Bostonian]

A lot of people, and we saw it online with JDG’s first case, love to scream about how he’s innocent until proven guilty. Yes he has that right, but the woman also has the right to be assumed innocent of making a false accusation unless that is proven true.

The problem is that an accusation even if proven false will still taint a man's reputation.

They have to keep living with that while the accuser slinks off into relative annonimity.

 

[NoobPie]

From the HUN today -

Jordan De Goey’s training partner Peter Adderton has said he knows the “real story” behind why a forcible touching charge against the Collingwood star was dropped and the club should be “ashamed” for rushing to judgment.
The Boost Mobile founder returned to Australia after riding with De Goey in the United States, while the midfielder returned to training in California with W Training Facility owner Johnny Louch.

Adderton was pictured in riding gear with De Goey in an image posted online by Louch in the days before the football star’s New York arrest.


Adderton has spent the past week launching a fierce defence of De Goey with stinging comments against Collingwood leadership trying to protect themselves and the media chasing a headline.

He said the club should be “ashamed” of themselves for suspending De Goey indefinitely before looking at the facts.

“The charge should never have been there in the first place, and when real story comes out lot of the media will have egg on there faces, and @collingwood_fc leadership should have waited before taking action,” Adderton said in an Instagram post after the forcible touching charge was dropped.

In an earlier post, Adderton wrote he spent the past month getting to know De Goey and that “some of the stories I am seeing are simply not true and the truth is not even close to the stories I am reading.”

“There is way more to this than people know,” he said in follow-up comments.

Police originally charged De Goey and his Aussie mate Luke Dyson with groping a woman during a wild Halloween party in the early hours of October 30, but prosecutors dropped the charge by the time they faced New York Criminal Court.


De Goey returned to California after he was released on bail without any restrictions on travel. His case is scheduled to come before the court again on December 8, but he may not be required to attend in person.


While De Goey has remained silent, News Corp understands a statement is expected to be released within days

Adderton, meanwhile, has been commenting voraciously since the arrest with images posted suggesting he the 25-year-old is being judged in a “trial by media” and that “stronger people stand up for others”.


“They [club leadership] all should be ashamed this is a kids career and life the least you can do is hear the facts and evidence first before taking action but they only care about how they could look…” he wrote on Instagram.

“The @jordydegoey case has once again proven that the media are out of control for the rush of a headline and then they worry about the facts and truth later, no evidence, no CCTV, no eye witnesses, no hearing from the other side, the ones who should be put on trail for this are the very Media themselves, followed by the Snr decision makers at @collingwood_fc for there rush to judgment,” he added.

Regardless of the "truth that comes out", here are facts from which Collingwood made that decision on:

• JDG has had at least four separate "confrontations with the law" previously that had caused reputational damage to himself and COllingwood
• JDG had received a travel exemption to go the US
• JDG had chosen to go out late in New York and get heavily inebriated whilst in New York on said exemption
• JDG had allowed himself to be filmed and posted on social media whilst out drunk
• JDG had found himself in a fist fight in circumstances where he could be arrested and charged for assault

In addition to Collingwood's additional challenges last season around the do better report, the idea that Collingwood could have done anything else but stand JDG down, and rather JDG is the victim of Collingwood's actions is nonsense.