Traded Josh Bruce [traded to Western Bulldogs for #32 and #51]

[go you pups]

I like Lloyd’s trade.

13, 32 and 51 for keath 23 and 28. Then work out a deal with the saints for Bruce that way.

13 + our 3 3rd rounders would be more preferable for us, only problem is Adelaide wouldn't have much need for those picks

 

[go you pups]

This four-way deal would’ve sparked an AFL trade domino effect. The Dogs rejected it

This four-way deal would’ve sparked an AFL trade domino effect. The Dogs rejected it

www.foxsports.com.au

The Western Bulldogs currently hold Pick 32 and have offered that to St Kilda for Bruce, but the Saints want a better deal for the contracted spearhead.

Bruce is keen to join the Dogs on a four-year deal after being told he was free to explore his options after Round 23.

Saints coach Brett Ratten has since denied suggestions the club was keen to move him on, but Bruce has told friends he is being pushed out. The Dogs also believe he was told to find a new home, 12 months after some inside Moorabbin looked at ways to move him on.

Just give them 51 also

32 gets Jones

51 gets Ryder

 

[go you pups]

Max King will be the main man down there.

Marshall we see as a genuine ruck/forward so whether it's Ryder playing or we eventually find a younger ruck, we will want to play two ruckmen in the side.

After that, Membrey is better than Bruce so I guess it's an easy choice.

We also have Josh Battle who was drafted as a forward.

Would your structure be something like

King plus resting rucks = deep contested marking forwards

Membrey = hit up/leading forward?

 

[bird_man]

A fair bit of pressure to put on a kid who hasn’t played one game of senior footy. And has had two major surgeries in two years.
If I Were the Saints I’d want to keep a big bodied forward like Bruce for sure. Membrey is a star but he’s only 188cms. He’s more the 3rd tall type of footballer. Doesn’t take the gorilla. I do realise Ryder will be there now but he isn’t much of a forward

As I said though, we'll also have Josh Battle who is 193cm and was forced to play back this year due to injuries.

Getting Dougal Howard in with free him up to go forward.

You can only fit so many big blokes down there. Membrey may only be 188cm but anyone that has seen him play knows he plays a lot taller. He averaged similar contested marks, marks inside 50's and goals to Jack Riewoldt and Tex Walker

 

[bird_man]

Would your structure be something like

King plus resting rucks = deep contested marking forwards

Membrey = hit up/leading forward?

I'd say so, but also with Battle forward playing a similar role to Membrey

 

[footyfan000001]

Will Battle or Howard play forward for the saints? Or both back?

 

[Falchoon]

Would your structure be something like

King plus resting rucks = deep contested marking forwards

Membrey = hit up/leading forward?

King would be hit up/leading forward at pace starting deep.

Membrey is the roamer.

We appear to be looking at Marshall to be deep contested.

 

[Carlton_Blues]

I just don't know why the Saints are keen for him to go and bring in Ryder who is at the very end of his carrier

It’s puzzling, I agree. I believe it’s about freeing up some salary cap space, but I could be wrong there. He’d be a great get if the Doggies can get the deal done.

 

[BrutThough]

Will Battle or Howard play forward for the saints? Or both back?

I think Battle is more likely to play forward than Howard.

Howard has said he feels more comfortable as a defender, and his form shows that. Battle is a natural forward and a is beautiful kick. Looked good the few games he played there in 2018. Also has the running capacity to play further up the ground, similar to the Riewoldt on the wing mould.

 

[go you pups]

As I said though, we'll also have Josh Battle who is 193cm and was forced to play back this year due to injuries.

Getting Dougal Howard in with free him up to go forward.

You can only fit so many big blokes down there. Membrey may only be 188cm but anyone that has seen him play knows he plays a lot taller. He averaged similar contested marks, marks inside 50's and goals to Jack Riewoldt and Tex Walker

Yeah Membrey absolutely is a key forward in your structure

Sure he's medium size, but as you say, he plays taller and normally takes on a key defender

De Goey is similar imo for the Pies

Reminds me of the days we had Johnno and Hahn as our makeshift key forwards as Scott Clayton stank in regards to recruiting talls for us

 

[Falchoon]

I think Battle is more likely to play forward than Howard.

Howard has said he feels more comfortable as a defender, and his form shows that. Battle is a natural forward and a is beautiful kick. Looked good the few games he played there in 2018. Also has the running capacity to play further up the ground, similar to the Riewoldt on the wing mould.

I think Battle's long term future is CHF, he just looks like a natural.

 

[bird_man]

I think Battle is more likely to play forward than Howard.

Howard has said he feels more comfortable as a defender, and his form shows that. Battle is a natural forward and a is beautiful kick. Looked good the few games he played there in 2018. Also has the running capacity to play further up the ground, similar to the Riewoldt on the wing mould.

Agree

Howard, Carlisle, Wilkie back

Battle, Membrey, King forward

Then rotate the rucks through there also

 

[HTPunter]

If we finish say, 6th next year, that gives us roughly picks 13, 31, 49, 67 etc BEFORE any compromising ie Suns getting priority picks, academy and father-son bids etc.

Can you imagine trying to pay for a pick 3 bid with picks 31, 49 and 67 etc, especially with father sons of Stevens and MacPherson to bid on also? Unless we do some MASSIVE wheeling and dealing, (or completely spud it up next year), there's no way we're getting in front of the Ugle-Hagen bid...

Father sons makes the reports have a lot more sense. Without them I think it'd be a no brainer to turn the future first into Bruce and future 2nds/3rds

 

[gangsta deluxe]

If the article about us holding up a deal on the weekend is to be believed this is nearly done.

St Kilda and Sydney apparently signed off on the following deal:



That means St Kilda are happy with a straight swap for Jones, and that Sydney are happy for 28 (although perhaps not 32). Forgetting the other issues with the deal (Adelaide make out like bandits), this would mean Dogs only need to satisfy Sydney for Jones, who are very nearly happy with our second pick at 32.

Probably happens tomorrow with a minor sweetener for Sydney, if this is true.

 

[StonesThrow]

If the article about us holding up a deal on the weekend is to be believed this is nearly done.

St Kilda and Sydney apparently signed off on the following deal:

View attachment 764377

That means St Kilda are happy with a straight swap for Jones, and that Sydney are happy for 28 (although perhaps not 32). Forgetting the other issues with the deal (Adelaide make out appallingly), this would mean Dogs only need to satisfy Sydney for Jones, who are very nearly happy with our second pick at 32.

Probably happens tomorrow with a minor sweetener for Sydney, if this is true.

Does 'make out appallingly' mean it's bad? I'd be happy with this trade.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Does 'make out appallingly' mean it's bad? I'd be happy with this trade.

You would, I meant that you make out like bandits and bend us over. I’m appalled by it (hence my terminology) and am glad we told you where to shove it.

Take your point though, there are multiple ways you can interpret what I said and the most common of them means Adelaide do poorly. I should have said you “make out like bandits”, to which I have now changed it.

 

[projectv]

If the article about us holding up a deal on the weekend is to be believed this is nearly done.

St Kilda and Sydney apparently signed off on the following deal:

View attachment 764377

That means St Kilda are happy with a straight swap for Jones, and that Sydney are happy for 28 (although perhaps not 32). Forgetting the other issues with the deal (Adelaide make out like bandits), this would mean Dogs only need to satisfy Sydney for Jones, who are very nearly happy with our second pick at 32.

Probably happens tomorrow with a minor sweetener for Sydney, if this is true.

That looks like a pretty decent outcome for all clubs involved.

If that goes through, then we are down to only two negotiations.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

An upgrade from 23 to 13, plus pick 51, for Keath and a slight downgrade from 28 to 32. Adelaide do indeed make out like bandits on that trade.

If they threw in a future pick to the Bulldogs it might be more palatable to them. The Bulldogs will be looking for all the 2020 points they can get.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

I’d be really disappointed if we effectively swap Bruce a contested marking forward capable of kicking 50 next season after a good second half to this season for Jones an ok midfielder/halfback if the dogs can’t offer anything better then 32 I would much rather keep him for next season I think him and king could be a dangerous duo !

 

[stfan]

It looks like the trade will be done tomorrow.

With possibly many clubs involved it may be difficult to directly say what some players actually went for or were gained at. For even if Trade Tracker records a particular deal there may have been backroom dealing that some other third party deal was really also part of getting that trade to happen.

So it will be more each club looking at its overall ins and outs, including picks, and seeing where the value lies. It is quite possible that each club will regard its position overall as having improved. It could well be a win/win/win/win/win mega trade with all of Dogs, Saints, Crows, Freo and Swans being involved.

 

[joop]

If the article about us holding up a deal on the weekend is to be believed this is nearly done.

St Kilda and Sydney apparently signed off on the following deal:

View attachment 764377

That means St Kilda are happy with a straight swap for Jones, and that Sydney are happy for 28 (although perhaps not 32). Forgetting the other issues with the deal (Adelaide make out like bandits), this would mean Dogs only need to satisfy Sydney for Jones, who are very nearly happy with our second pick at 32.

Probably happens tomorrow with a minor sweetener for Sydney, if this is true.

I think that trade works, I'm assuming we aren't happy with 32 for Bruce because Sydney won't take it for Jones.

 

[joop]

Will Battle or Howard play forward for the saints? Or both back?

Think Howard plays back and then Battle plays either end depending on match-ups. Carlisle can also play forward if the club want Howard & Battle to form a partnership with Wilkie &/or Roberton the 3rd tall.
Getting Howard has completely changed things for us now.

 

[SMSBF]

How can Sydney complain if WE only get 32 for Bruce??

Bruce >> Jones

far out. Cant even swap bruce for Jones???

 

[SMSBF]

Battle forward surely. You put your best kicks forward. He is a jet.

key backs
Howard, Carlsile, Austin, Clavarino
Roberton, Wilkie

key forwards
MKing, Ryder, Marshal, Membrey, Battle

 

[joop]

I just don't know why the Saints are keen for him to go and bring in Ryder who is at the very end of his carrier

Honestly it's not rocket science.