Recommitted Josh Dunkley [OOC 2022, requested a trade to Essendon, didn't get there]

[JayJ20]

There is some criticism of Dodoro, but the defence of his trading this year and last is strident, and it's not one or two isolated examples.


Again, refer previous comments about Dodoro not valuing his own deal as enough.

There is pleeenty of criticism for Dodoro regarding Daniher. Many believed we should have traded Daniher last year instead of holding onto him. Plenty of criticism for the Shiel trade. Most Essendon fans also believed he unnecessarily made the Fantasia trade complicated.

I don’t have any problems with his conduct regarding the Dunkley trade though except for the length it took to come up with his offer. The final offer of pick 8 and a future second is more than enough. The 3-way trade for Treloar and Dunkley was also enough. Bulldogs just weren’t interested which is fair enough.

You’re misinterpreting Dodoro’s statement. Saying he wouldn’t do the deal if he was Bulldogs doesn’t mean he believes that’s what Dunkley is worth. It means he understands why Bulldogs didn’t trade Dunkley and would do the same for a player like him. A classic case of a player being worth more to a club than the open market considering Dunkley only has 3 quarters of one season last year to even justify a first rounder. There’s a reason why we targeted Dunkley over an Oliver type because he should realistically be cheaper than Oliver. Someone that’s pushed out of the midfield loses value.

Don’t think Dodoro or anyone expected the price to be 2 top 10 picks, which is what a contracted Oliver costs. We offered as high as we could and moved on from it. No issues there. All of Essendon, Bulldogs and Dunkley parted in an amicable way.

 

[BEaston]

Why would Essendon give up a proven AA player for a kid whos 18 months younger who has zero runs on the board, he has had half a good season (2019). Apart from that all he's being rated on is his "potential"

Merrett is better than Dunkley in almost ALL key stats.

Unless Merrett confirmed he wanted to go, there is no way on gods earth that trade makes sense for us.

I have no issues with Dogs fans wanting to keep Dunkley, I get it, he is good player and they do indeed deserve overs. But to suggest he is worth the same as Merrett is pretty embarrassing and to even go to lengths to suggest its Merrett + a first rounder is ******* ludicrous.

Haha.
If you think Merrett is that much better than Dunkley I think you have no idea. They are similar value players.

Reasons why Essendon would consider the trade:
- Merrett's form has dropped since his AA year 3 full seasons ago.
- Dunkley's leadership
- Age profile (while not a big difference it's still something)
- Dunkley fills a gap in your list better then Merrett does
- There's a decent chance Merrett leaves next year anyway as a RFA

The reason Merrett is being mentioned is that considering the contract situation of Dunkley the price is going to be two 1st rounders or one 1st rounder and a good player. The truth of it is, that out of the 2-3 good players you have, Merrett makes the most sense as the rest are all younger pieces which fit better with your list rebuild. Having said that, he's stated he's staying so it's all for naught.

I don't see anyway this deal gets done.

 

[rusman]

He’s contracted. I think the point is - you need to go above and beyond to get him out. Just ask Dodo- he did ask for Walsh for Saad to begin with.

That’s your point but not everyone’s.

We arnt list managers here mate. We we are not negotiating. Dodoro always does that no need to melt over it haha

Step back. Think about it.

Same logic is me saying you want merrit. You need to give me bont. Merrit is contracted.

 

[adogsfan5]

That’s your point but not the everyone’s.

We arnt list managers here mate. We we are not negotiating. Dodoro always does that no need to melt over it haha

Step back. Think about it.

Same logic if me saying you want merrit. You need to give me bont. Merrit is contracted.

That’s your point but not the everyone’s.

We arnt list managers here mate. We we are not negotiating. Dodoro always does that no need to melt over it haha

Step back. Think about it.

Same logic is me saying you want merrit. You need to give me bont. Merrit is contracted.

If Merrett is contracted and we have come knocking with an offer, then yeah I think you have every right to say give us Bont. But you’d obviously be laughed at. Same as if one of us said give us Ridley.

 

[BEaston]

That’s your point but not everyone’s.

We arnt list managers here mate. We we are not negotiating. Dodoro always does that no need to melt over it haha

Step back. Think about it.

Same logic is me saying you want merrit. You need to give me bont. Merrit is contracted.

We don't want Merrett, in the context of this conversation he's simply part of the compensation of you guys wanting Dunkley.

 

[Damon_3388]

Reasons why Essendon would consider the trade:
- Merrett's form has dropped since his AA year 3 full seasons ago.

No, it hasn't. It's pretty much the same.

 

[citizen-erased]

No, it hasn't. It's pretty much the same.

Top 10 AFLCA votes this year
Been very good without being at his best.

 

[citizen-erased]

We don't want Merritt, in the context of this conversation he's simply part of the compensation of you guys wanting Dunkley.

add to that he doesn't want to leave, we don't want to trade and he has a contract
So a lot of wasted air mentioning him.

it would also be robbing peter to pay paul. our midfield needs quality and depth.

 

[Northernsoul74]

yeah, thinking 2021 1st would be on the table (and we can do that with those picks in)
Or the Dogs look at a 2020 pick as the currency required for whichever targets you have.

Problem is it’s unlikely we have such targets as we probably weren’t expecting this situation.

 

[rusman]

If Merrett is contracted and we have come knocking with an offer, then yeah I think you have every right to say give us Bont. But you’d obviously be laughed at. Same as if one of us said give us Ridley.

So you’ve asked.

It ain’t happening due to it being stupid to trade a better contracted player for a slightly worse contracted player.

Now what. Back to reality we go?

 

[ScragCity]

I think if you asked every club which player they would rather have on their list most would say Dunkley. Big bulls like Dunks are more rare and therefore more valuable than midget midfielders.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

If this thread is any indication, I highly doubt an amicable seal can be struck between the two teams, esp as picks are no use to the Doggies.

But If I am the Dogs, a straight swap of Zerrret for Dunkley i would do, despite the age gap, Merret is the better player and getting a class outside midfielder would help a team close to a flag window. Actually surprised some Essendon fans have suggested it really.

 

[citizen-erased]

Problem is it’s unlikely we have such targets as we probably weren’t expecting this situation.

fair point too

There is the chance you target pick 2 with a current pick we get you (and whatever else) and your 1st
Roos or Crows would surely listen to it in the grand scheme of their rebuilds. Esp in this draft.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Hrmm so the logic here is that from to get a player you need to give up a better player. .....

So doggies want pick 37 from us. They have to give up up 12 to get it.

Makes sense yeah?

No the logic is if you want to get a contracted player that the other club really does not want to lose, you have to make a very enticing offer for it to be considered.

 

[adogsfan5]

So you’ve asked.

It ain’t happening due to it being stupid to trade a better contracted player for a slightly worse contracted player.

Now what. Back to reality we go?

Back to the reality of no one knowing what’s happening yes please.

 

[Hoges64]

fwiw I think I did see a doggies supporter say merret first a week ago in here and I haven’t visited the doggies board. Not that it matters.

We have heaps of crazy supporters haha. I’m sure some think Dunkley is only worth a third rounder.

No entire supporter base is reasonable or unreasonable. It’s a group of people you’ll always have a few nuts. Even more nuts if there is a “group think”.

Visit the Saad thread. People still saying psd is the only way to go despite Essendon (and others) having a pick before them.

Or see Daniher thread last year. A lot of dons supporters wouldn’t have taken 5 & 9. It happens. Don’t bother defending everyone.

I think I saw it too, but was from a poster with 6 posts total, no one quoted or replied to it, so it basically may as well not exist.

The point is I'm not defending anyone / everyone, I'm saying stop bringing up shit in this thread that NO ONE has asked for in this thread (with the exception of one post that doesn't seem to exist any more.)

 

[Northernsoul74]

fair point too

There is the chance you target pick 2 with a current pick we get you (and whatever else) and your 1st
Roos or Crows would surely listen to it in the grand scheme of their rebuilds. Esp in this draft.

Yep but doesn’t make us better anytime soon.

 

[BEaston]

No, it hasn't. It's pretty much the same.

Oh okay then, if you say so. Apologies.

Let's assume you're right* though and he has stagnated, the rest of the league has improved around him so his standing has declined in any case.

(*I don't think you are, he's been less damaging than in his AA year by a fair bit IMO)

 

[Golden_6]

Why would Essendon give up a proven AA player for a kid whos 18 months younger who has zero runs on the board, he has had half a good season (2019). Apart from that all he's being rated on is his "potential"

Merrett is better than Dunkley in almost ALL key stats.

Unless Merrett confirmed he wanted to go, there is no way on gods earth that trade makes sense for us.

I have no issues with Dogs fans wanting to keep Dunkley, I get it, he is good player and they do indeed deserve overs. But to suggest he is worth the same as Merrett is pretty embarrassing and to even go to lengths to suggest its Merrett + a first rounder is ******* ludicrous.

Why are you saying half a good season? His half a good season came in 2018 when he was moved into the midfield during the second half of that season, and followed it up by an entire elite season in 2019. This is not some speculative pickup, he’s a known quantity when playing full time midfield.

 

[citizen-erased]

Yep but doesn’t make us better anytime soon.

depends how good pick 2 is i guess, and how quickly they come on.
Sharper end kids will generally come in faster and make an impact (i.e. Smith, Taranto, McGrath, etc)

I'd look at Hollands as a potentially better fit than Dunkley.
Can play medium forward but looks capable of transitioning to big body mid

Dogs keep current midfield rotations as is, and add Hollands to cover spots forward or centre of the ground.

 

[citizen-erased]

If this thread is any indication, I highly doubt an amicable seal can be struck between the two teams, esp as picks are no use to the Doggies.

But If I am the Dogs, a straight swap of Zerrret for Dunkley i would do, despite the age gap, Merret is the better player and getting a class outside midfielder would help a team close to a flag window. Actually surprised some Essendon fans have suggested it really.

all DFA threads are like this
If this board was any indication of anything trade week would be a non-starter

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

If this thread is any indication, I highly doubt an amicable seal can be struck between the two teams, esp as picks are no use to the Doggies.

But If I am the Dogs, a straight swap of Zerrret for Dunkley i would do, despite the age gap, Merret is the better player and getting a class outside midfielder would help a team close to a flag window. Actually surprised some Essendon fans have suggested it really.

As is always the case on BigFooty, the views and opinions from us punters are absolutely no indication of what is possible or what is going on behind the scenes.

Zerrett is 100% the better player and is easily the best player on our list so there is absolutely no chance he will be part of the trade. It would've been knocked on the head the moment the dogs posed the question (if they did or intend to that is).

 

[Northernsoul74]

depends how good pick 2 is i guess, and how quickly they come on.
Sharper end kids will generally come in faster and make an impact (i.e. Smith, Taranto, McGrath, etc)

I'd look at Hollands as a potentially better fit than Dunkley.
Can play medium forward but looks capable of transitioning to big body mid

Dogs keep current midfield rotations as is, and add Hollands to cover spots forward or centre of the ground.

Hollands would be my choice as well.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Your three posts that are quoted all say "in here". Most logical people would assume "in here" is within this thread. If they're in another thread (and ESPECIALLY on our board) then you don't have to worry about it.

No one "in here" (what is essentially the BF general Josh Dunkley

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hypothetical trade thread) has asked for anything stupid so far. But because a Bulldogs poster posted something in another thread on the Bulldogs main board you're taking offence? There's no need for that whatsoever. It just confuses the issue "in here", causing arguments that don't even need to exist.

well i meant here as in the website but yeah i get what you are saying.

 

[Euku]

If merrett had 2 years on his contract and was offered 750 for 5 years what would Don's supporters ask for?

 

[EssendonPride]

If merrett had 2 years on his contract and was offered 750 for 5 years what would Don's supporters ask for?

Would probably hold onto him .
In all seriousness though, it'd be 2 first rounders. Probably around 5 + 10ish.