Judd- Super Player- Terrible Captain

[Monkey King]

Alot of people hear are saying that he couldnt control fev at all.

A lot of people hear (sic) don't know what they're talking about.

The excuses about judd not being able to control fev is pure bullshit, if he was a real leader, he could have stopped him, regardless of how drunk the guy was.

Nah... your bullshit post is of far greater purity than that concept. Taking charge of an out-of-control moronic drunk isn't as easy as you make it sound and your claim that it is reeks of the naivety of someone who's never had to do it. Especially if not wanting to cause an incident. This isn't the local footy club B&F mate, where a couple of blokes might drag a guy outside.

I will say something though. Must be hard for Johnny-come-lately Judd to assert authority over older, but less mature players, who've been at the club 11 odd years. It would be hard for any leader, which is why companies often go the purge when a change of direction is taken under new leadership.

 

[Dump Truck]

A lot of people hear (sic) don't know what they're talking about. Horrible spelling my bad. And I do agree, the truth is knowone has a full handle on it, we can voice out our oppinions though



Nah... your bullshit post is of far greater purity than that concept. Taking charge of an out-of-control moronic drunk isn't as easy as you make it sound and your claim that it is reeks of the naivety of someone who's never had to do it. Especially if not wanting to cause an incident. This isn't the local footy club B&F mate, where a couple of blokes might drag a guy outside.

I understand this isnt local footy, as i said earlier in my post. And I know while its hard its not an impossible task. Im not going to bother arguing with you about if i've ever had to settle down a drunk bloke or not because thats not important, the fact is if judd had a job to do that night as a captain of his footy club and he failed to do so. I do agree it wasnt easy, and I'm not one to say I could have done it, but when he agreed to be captain, that was a situation he really could have asserted his leadership, He didnt.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Judd is a bad captain. People just seem to look past it due to his on-field skills.

Brilliant captain, leads by example.

Don't let any dumbass bigfooty expert tell you otherwise. Be so filled with credibility...lol!

 

[Monkey King]

I understand this isnt local footy, as i said earlier in my post. And I know while its hard its not an impossible task. Im not going to bother arguing with you about if i've ever had to settle down a drunk bloke or not because thats not important, the fact is if judd had a job to do that night as a captain of his footy club and he failed to do so. I do agree it wasnt easy, and I'm not one to say I could have done it, but when he agreed to be captain, that was a situation he really could have asserted his leadership, He didnt.

It's not just settling down a drunk bloke, but a drunk idiot of a bloke. I have a got a couple of mates who in sobriety are generally the more reasoned of my friends. On the turps though, when they get up a head of steam, no one can control them without getting physical. And certainly it would appear Fev was in no mood for listening to reason from his either wife, captain or coach.

Says far more about Fevola than it does about Judd IMO.

 

[spartan hawks]

I disagree judd ia a champion player and great skipper.What more does he have to do, leads the clearances has great presence and i love him to be wearing a hawks jumper.

 

[coasting]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Chris 'Leon' Judd

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[The Sloane Ranger]

I'm sure I will receive lots of interesting feedback though this has been playing on my mind of late so thought I would throw it out there.

Chris Judd is a legend of the game, could easily be a multiple brownlow winner and is probably the best clearance player I have ever seen.

However, what makes a captain a captain? Juddy was in charge of a West Coast team that absolutely self destructed, with massive cultural and behavioural issues. Juddy could not control these issues and packed his bag and left. Is that captain material? What happened to the captain going down with the ship?

The Blues saw captain material in him and gave him the job immediately along with the biggest money in history. Since then, Carlton players have been having punch ups at training, have failed to turn up to training on time and well lets just say they have a good time at the Brownlow forcing the club to trade aguably the best forward in the game. Again, where does the captain assume some responsibility for the players beneath him? Where does leadership come into it? Or is 30 touches a game enough to earn you the captaincy?

I have always expected more of leadership than individual brilliance....what do you think?

considering Judd went to the Crown Casino with Fev in the very early afternoon of the brownlow count to play black jack and have a few drinks even knowing Fev's poor history in managing alcohol, I think your question is valid, especially considering Fev was smashed at the start of the count

 

[Opportunity Cost]

Judd is one inspirational guy, on and off the field.

I remember hearing once that he made a huge difference to the off field Carlton. An example: I think Fev said on the Footy Show one night that everyone at Carlton had good posture now because he taught them the importance of good posture.

Also after a pre season training, a Carlton player (Murphy maybe) ordered hot chips, when she walked out with them, he sent her away telling the players he wasn't going to let them waste the good work they had done in training.

 

[John 2505]

Man I am tired of this thread. Can some one please confirm as I can accept being wrong. Did Judd leave West Coast while he was Capitan as I do not recall him standing down. Simple question like to see who I annoy this time.

 

[Monkey King]

considering Judd went to the Crown Casino with Fev in the very early afternoon of the brownlow count to play black jack and have a few drinks even knowing Fev's poor history in managing alcohol, I think your question is valid, especially considering Fev was smashed at the start of the count

Ummm... you do know that they stayed at the Crown towers right and prepared for the count in their rooms. Check-in is what... 12pm?

Looks like you fell for this 13 hour bender crap. A few hours before getting dressed up for the count Judd and Fev met and had a bit of a gamble and a couple of drinks. Wow... what a bad captain

Fev was not smashed at the beginning of the count. Did you watch the blue carpet part of the broadcast? What is it with people who just want to make shit up? Is it because you don't have any valid points to back up your pre-formed opinions?

 

[tazhawk]

Judd is one inspirational guy, on and off the field.

I remember hearing once that he made a huge difference to the off field Carlton. An example: I think Fev said on the Footy Show one night that everyone at Carlton had good posture now because he taught them the importance of good posture.

Wow is there anything this man cannot do.

Forget the big issues at Carlton like salary cap cheating, cover ups of alleged sexual assaults on a Female, players kicking each other in the Gonads, drunken rampages in public.

As long as the Carlton players have good posture then all is well.

Hail Juddles, he really is more than just an environmental warrior.

 

[bourbons]

Seems like a few people want to have an each way bet ie. Cuz was the spititual leader/real captain, so Judd isn't a proper premiership captain - yet WC's implosion is somehow Judd's fault

Can't have it both ways

Juddy was in charge of a West Coast team that absolutely self destructed, with massive cultural and behavioural issues. Juddy could not control these issues and packed his bag and left. Is that captain material? What happened to the captain going down with the ship?

Suggest you re-visit the timeline there. WC made Judd captain because of their massive cultural and behavioural issues.

 

[sgbn77]

There's no way a captain can stop things occuring. I guess what makes a good captain is how they respond. Do they lay down the law, and the playing group responds accordingly? If so, you'd assume "incidents" begin to occur less after the first issue?

There's no way you can blame Judd for what happened at West Coast, as that was cultural, and he was just minding the ship during his last year or so.

You can't really blame him for Carlton's issues either, as they are mending a poor culture. On their way back up I suppose.

Its probably been worded harshly by the OP, but when you lay out the incidents that have occurred whilst Judd was at the helm, at both clubs...it certainly appears like he's not pulling people into line?

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Judd is very good at managing Judd.

If all the carlton players did the same they'd be premiership contenders.

The fact that Judd is working so close with Gibbs, Murphy etc means they see how he works and perform better - he sets a standard.

This is different to mentoring - which is what Carlton fans think Judd does. Judd does not tell Gibbs and Murphy how to be like Judd. He just makes sure that Judd continues to be Judd and, without looking in his rearview mirror, gets told that there are a few Judd Juniors following in his footsteps.

So what does a Judd do when a member of the flock isn't trying to be like Judd? Sort the guy out, give advice, set boundaries? No. He helps turf them out of the club. Goodbye Fev.

It's up to you if you call this great leadership.

 

[gbatman]

Judd can't be responsible when other senior players are acting foolish and wont take his instruction.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Judd can't be responsible when other senior players are acting foolish and wont take his instruction.

So what you're saying is that the other players don't respect him enough to follow his instruction?

 

[Monkey King]

So what you're saying is that the other players don't respect him enough to follow his instruction?

By players I assume you are refering to Fevola. And you are right; a completely smashed Brendan musn't have respected his captain enough to listen to any advice, nor his coach's, nor his wife's... are you starting to see a pattern here. Who do you think has the problem... Judd or a drunk Fev?

I'm guessing you'd still say Judd, which realy says more about you than it does him.

Judd does not tell Gibbs and Murphy how to be like Judd. He just makes sure that Judd continues to be Judd and, without looking in his rearview mirror, gets told that there are a few Judd Juniors following in his footsteps.

Oh really. Sounds like you spend a lot of time around the club

If you want to give an opinion on something fine, but in this instance you're making claims about what actually occurs in reality. I hope you can distinguish the difference between this and how you think these events play out in your head.

The truth of the matter though is that Judd does give advice and plenty of it; so how about we just base things on a bit of truth, rather than scenarios built with your imagination.