Justin Leppitsch - New Brisbane Lions Coach

[Ancient Tiger]

Voss has now served his apprenticeship - as a senior coach! Blind Freddie could see that he is a far better coach now than he was 4 years ago.
Unfortunately, the board lost patience with him just as I feel he was on the verge of something special at Brisbane. Leppa is fantastic but time will tell whether the team adapts to the new game plan fast enough to show further improvement. They may have to take a few steps back to move several steps forward.

 

[catman 71]

Voss has now served his apprenticeship - as a senior coach! Blind Freddie could see that he is a far better coach now than he was 4 years ago.
Unfortunately, the board lost patience with him just as I feel he was on the verge of something special at Brisbane. Leppa is fantastic but time will tell whether the team adapts to the new game plan fast enough to show further improvement. They may have to take a few steps back to move several steps forward.

How many years does the board wait until Voss makes Brisbane regular finalists.

If he were rebuilding, he could be given a little more time, but, once he got in recycled players, rather than draft picks in 2010, he could not claim the "give me time, I'm rebuilding" excuse.

How long do you give Voss until YOU lost patience? Another five years? Ten years? Even favourite sons only have so long to deliver!

 

[Harris Specter]

How many years does the board wait until Voss makes Brisbane regular finalists.

If he were rebuilding, he could be given a little more time, but, once he got in recycled players, rather than draft picks in 2010, he could not claim the "give me time, I'm rebuilding" excuse.

How long do you give Voss until YOU lost patience? Another five years? Ten years? Even favourite sons only have so long to deliver!

You do realise that the rebuild effectively started in 2011?

 

[Lets Roar like '44]

You ask where Bradshaw is? Well, what is Fevola doing now? Kicking around in a country league until he has burnt his bridges with them as well. I would rather have Bradshaw in my team over Fevola every day of the week, and twice on Sundays. At least you don't get 3am phone calls saying that Bradshaw has been locked up.

Besides, you don't seem to rate a three-time premiership full-forward.

Riscitelli was a B & F at Brisbane, so he obviously could play.

You admit yourself that Henderson was a loss.

Having the expansion teams had little to do with it. You wouldn't have got all those players you said, because you wouldn't be getting 10 of the first 11 picks in the draft. You may have got one or two and that's it.

Lowly Bulldogs. Their win against Brisbane broke a Bulldogs 11-game losing streak, and they didn't just win, they belted you.The same Bulldogs who lost to Melbourne. Those other wins by the Bulldogs weren't until later in the season.

If they feel sorry for Voss and say that the board is incompetent for sacking him, does that mean any time a board sacks a coach, they are incompetent?

Tell me why Voss deserved a new contract. Was it all the years he took Brisbane to the finals? The PFs and GFs he coached them too? All the premierships he coached them in? Oh, that's right, they only played in two finals under Voss, four years ago. My mistake, I forgot!

Keep drinking the Voss Kool-Aid!

Well said all round. Good luck fighting the battle with this lot, they arent after truths about Voss, all they see is a great player and suddenly think he's gods gift to coaching also. Was a terrible coach in all aspects of the game. And to show the class of the man, when his contract was not renewed, he cracked the shits and walked out on the Club with 3 games remaining.

Again, enjoy reading your posts, I wouldnt trying to argue with Rubix, he thinks Voss's shit smells like a roses.

 

[LeonLeCornu]

Some big challenges ahead. 85 percent of our list is from interstate and we are the only frontier club without a retention allowance now.

The big clubs (including one of the Victorian clubs that howled to remove our retention allowance) are circling our playing list like vultures at the moment with deals that include a ticket home and third party agreements that an AFL club in a rugby town is incapable of matching.

Blind Freddie can see that in real terms, we get less bang for our salary cap dollar than anyone and we are being reduced to a feeder club for the big boys.

Beating Collingwood in grand finals was a delight, but it also cursed us for all time. Especially when they had a high profile president who couldn't cop a fair defeat on the chin.

Any remaining chance we had to ameliorate the go home effect at all was taken away in the short to medium term when the AFL essentially gave the Suns exclusive rights to all Queensland talent for close to half a decade.

Good luck Leppa.

Surely Brisbane would be at the minimum payments of the salary cap at the moment. And the players wanting to leave aren't exactly expected to get 600k a year at their new clubs. And the poorer clubs are very hesitant to pay to the upper end of the salary cap...

Retention allowance is laughable to bring up now.

 

[Lets Roar like '44]

How optimistic can you be when you have been waiting nearly 70 years to roar despite a threepeat along the way.

LOL, ok

 

[Groo2]

Retention allowance is laughable to bring up now.

How so? I think this is exactly the time to point out aguements for why it is needed.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Surely Brisbane would be at the minimum payments of the salary cap at the moment. And the players wanting to leave aren't exactly expected to get 600k a year at their new clubs. And the poorer clubs are very hesitant to pay to the upper end of the salary cap...

Retention allowance is laughable to bring up now.

Completely disagree. When Gubby Allan left, our salary cap was a absolute mess because of the exact strategy you are implying. A club should needs to be paying players close to market value regardless of the development stage of their list, otherwise you can't be player in trade week and you get in an absolute mess when the list improves.

Rob Kerr's first task when he came to Brisbane was to start realigning pay with performance. Unfortunately the go-home factor means we have to pay some players more than market value to stay because if they can get their market value and a ticket home at the same time, some players will take it. Seems we are at the crossroads now, either start overpaying players again and never be able to assemble a premiership standard list, or start losing players to Hawthorn, Carlton and Collingwood offering tickets home.

We are seeing the exact same realities occurring that resulted in all clubs voting to give us a retention allowance to begin with. They don't just suddenly go away.

You are free to disagree, but watch and see. Time will vindicate one of us.

 

[Running Dog]

It's good that unlike Voss he has already served as an assistant coach elsewhere for a few years.

Defenders seems to make pretty good coaches, although having been Richmond's defensive coach isn't exactly the best credentials

Good luck to Leppa, I really hope he does well.

Always had a therory about that- defenders watch the game unfold in front of them and read the play, thus developing a strategic perspective. Forwards are more instinctive and have to make the play. This theory is confirmed by the fact that I can't think of a single prominent soccer team that has ever been managed by a goalkeeper.

And I also extend best wishes to Brisbane and 'the Orange Roughey', I enjoyed watching his robust style of play.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

How many years does the board wait until Voss makes Brisbane regular finalists.

If he were rebuilding, he could be given a little more time, but, once he got in recycled players, rather than draft picks in 2010, he could not claim the "give me time, I'm rebuilding" excuse.

How long do you give Voss until YOU lost patience? Another five years? Ten years? Even favourite sons only have so long to deliver!

I think that Voss had actually improved because he did start to rebuild. He realized his huge mistakes and began to correct them. Like you, I would have sacked him after the Fevola debacle. However, since then he has picked up his game and has definitely improved as a coach.
So it's a philosophical decision. Replace a guy that made all the wrong decisions at the beginning (but still kept him then) but now is making the right decisions or see that he has learnt from his mistakes and keep him.
The board obviously chose the former. Time will tell if the decision was correct.

 

[CWaffles]

He has done his fair share of learning as an assistant, could be a good move by the Lions.
Hopefully he manages to convince some of your youngsters to stick around and be part of his vision going forward.

 

[Haso]

I'm looking forward to seeing who Leppa is able to engage as his assistants. Much of this will be tied up in the funding that the club has applied for to the AFL commission, but is currently under threat of being revoked and is dependent on the current mediation discussions between the AFL executives, our current board incumbents and the rival ticket in Power, Williams and Lethal. The current power struggle is interesting to watch, but is also potentially very damaging in itself.

Exciting to have Leppa on board as he speaks well about his intentions, appears to be enthusiastic about implementing his plans and has a way with the younger players. On the other hand, it is still currently a shit time to be a Lions supporter.

 

[jackess]

Well said all round. Good luck fighting the battle with this lot, they arent after truths about Voss, all they see is a great player and suddenly think he's gods gift to coaching also. Was a terrible coach in all aspects of the game. And to show the class of the man, when his contract was not renewed, he cracked the shits and walked out on the Club with 3 games remaining.

Again, enjoy reading your posts, I wouldnt trying to argue with Rubix, he thinks Voss's shit smells like a roses.

And you wonder why nobody on the Lions board takes you seriously.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I'm looking forward to seeing who Leppa is able to engage as his assistants. Much of this will be tied up in the funding that the club has applied for to the AFL commission, but is currently under threat of being revoked and is dependent on the current mediation discussions between the AFL executives, our current board incumbents and the rival ticket in Power, Williams and Lethal. The current power struggle is interesting to watch, but is also potentially very damaging in itself.

Exciting to have Leppa on board as he speaks well about his intentions, appears to be enthusiastic about implementing his plans and has a way with the younger players. On the other hand, it is still currently a shit time to be a Lions supporter.

Yep, Leppa has sent all the right signals since he took over. Just hope he was given a full picture of the unique challenges we face. He'd probably know more than most.

If the AFL get their way and force a clearly divided board to hold hands and smile, it isn't exactly giving Leppa a stable organisation to work for.

 

[FuManchu]

The club is now a joke.

It can't afford to pay a player retention allowance.

If the only way the club thinks it can compete is to ask to pay more money that it doesn't have, then they should just give up now.

Have a look at the real reasons why the club is in the poo. Those 3 flags bred an arrogance that has eaten away at the club from within and the sycophants who fall at these destroyers feet only serve to fuel the destruction.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Wondering who these sycophants are.

Obviously not those doing their best to give the current chairman and his cronies their marching orders...

I like reading a good rant but I think the better ones are built on some foundation of truth.

 

[Haso]

Those 3 flags bred an arrogance that has eaten away at the club from within and the sycophants who fall at these destroyers feet only serve to fuel the destruction.

Who are you referring to here?

 

[FuManchu]

Who are you referring to here?

See above

 

[Haso]

See above

TBD is the farthest from a club sycophant that I know. Is currently working to oust the current board incumbents. There may be some who approve of and defend the current board setup, but they'd be a very quiet minority. In fact, most who would have that view are politically apathetic in terms of club relations anyway.

TBD may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is *not* a pr0n star sycophant!

 

[Hollow Knight]

Who are you referring to here?

Pretty sure he is referring to me, just some guy who...

- went head to head with Michael Bowers on Brisbane radio in 2009
- went head to head with Tony Kelly at several AGMs in a row
- handed out protest flyers outside the Gabba this years demanding the club consult with members on the jumper design
- is part of a current group trying to force an EGM to let members hold the board to account for once

Just your standard sycophant falling at the feet of authority y'know. Clearly I have no perspective on the issues that face our club and believe the club's doodies don't stink and stuff and blame everyone outside the club for everything.

 

[Lets Roar like '44]

And you wonder why nobody on the Lions board takes you seriously.

How are all my friends on the Lions page going? Rubix, TBD, yourself...all well I hope? Pumped for a 2014 season, new coach, a game plan, no doubt more members, hopefully a new jumper if not next year but the one after. I think it's time you stopped being so negative towards your fellow Lions posters who don't agree with you, and start embracing what will be an exciting 2014!

Peace brah!

 

[theflea]

I still agree with the non continuance of Voss as he simply wasn't getting the job done. I think after 5 years you should know the improvement. Don't take the 10 wins as it stands as when the whips were cracking in the first half of the year, wins didn't come which was when the board decided a new direction was needed. I also agree that even if the lions had a retention scheme in place, the inability to pay 100% let alone maybe 110% of the TPP makes it all moot. Hopefully the business side of the club can improve, to generate the funds to do so in the future.

 

[LeonLeCornu]

Completely disagree. When Gubby Allan left, our salary cap was a absolute mess because of the exact strategy you are implying. A club should needs to be paying players close to market value regardless of the development stage of their list, otherwise you can't be player in trade week and you get in an absolute mess when the list improves.

Rob Kerr's first task when he came to Brisbane was to start realigning pay with performance. Unfortunately the go-home factor means we have to pay some players more than market value to stay because if they can get their market value and a ticket home at the same time, some players will take it. Seems we are at the crossroads now, either start overpaying players again and never be able to assemble a premiership standard list, or start losing players to Hawthorn, Carlton and Collingwood offering tickets home.

We are seeing the exact same realities occurring that resulted in all clubs voting to give us a retention allowance to begin with. They don't just suddenly go away.

You are free to disagree, but watch and see. Time will vindicate one of us.

You're asking for money that you won't spend, essentially. Brisbane would be close to the minimum of cap payments at the moment, and the financial situation would have your team hesitant to go beyond that.

 

[jackess]

You're asking for money that you won't spend, essentially. Brisbane would be close to the minimum of cap payments at the moment, and the financial situation would have your team hesitant to go beyond that.

They have publicly stated they wish to spend all the cap next year.

 

[catman 71]

I still agree with the non continuance of Voss as he simply wasn't getting the job done. I think after 5 years you should know the improvement. Don't take the 10 wins as it stands as when the whips were cracking in the first half of the year, wins didn't come which was when the board decided a new direction was needed. I also agree that even if the lions had a retention scheme in place, the inability to pay 100% let alone maybe 110% of the TPP makes it all moot. Hopefully the business side of the club can improve, to generate the funds to do so in the future.

Also, maybe Mark Harvey should be given credit for some of those wins he coached in the last few weeks. His coaching almost got Brisbane over the line against Geelong at Simonds, something Voss could never do.

Mark Harvey is a very underrated coach.