Under the rocks!!!
Coach Justin Longmuir Pt 2
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I've been weighing up two hypotheticals, who from the Lyon Era do you think Longmuir would play/not play and vice versa, who from the Longmuir Era would get more of a go/less of a go under Lyon?
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Ah I wish it was as easy as it was from 1995 to 2010 when it was 8 finals spots for 16 clubs
12 wins was enough to make finals. Win 8 or 9 or 10 games at home. Then 2 or 3 or 4 games away from home vs bottom 6 sides.
Again.... Yep we were top 4 with 4 games left but slipped. Typical Freo thing to happen.
We never get good luck. Bad luck drops on our way most of the time.
I have no issues with the dockers losing the occasional home game or 2. We must aim for 10 wins or even 9 wins minimum. Then win 3 or 4 away wins.
When Freo made finals in 2022, we got 15 wins and a draw from 22 games.
Weird that Freo lost 4 games at home. Saints were bad, but we pummeled them at Docklands later in the season. Demons, magpies and swans all made top 4. So no shame in that.
But those 7 away wins. Some were good. Beating the crows, demons and saints were good.
We got a draw vs Richmond in a weird low scoring game. That game in my opinion was Hayden Youngs break through game.
Brisbane won the flag from 5th spot with 14 wins and a draw.
Regardless of our fixture, 14 wins can be done. Need some luck though
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Will Broadie would of got games over Johnson.
I think Tom Emmett would of got games often.
I think Darcy Tucker would still get games as a rotating or depth player.
Ross Lyon tactics would mean blokes aged 23 to 27 who are C grade players would get games over the talented 18 or 19 or 20 year olds.
So.... If this was 2022 when the dockers made finals...
Do you think guys from the 2019 draft like Frederick, Serong, Henry and Hayden Young be playing almost every game? More likely be playing every 2nd game.
RTB's strength is also his weakness.
He gets average lists to perform above average therefore the team doesn't get the replenishment in the draft it needs.
RTB would win the flag in 2025 at Freo.
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Yeah well that is true. Our finals run from 2012 to 2015 we at least made the semi finals minimum.
Just shows you how good Ross Lyon tactics were in that period.
Makes it even more impressive when you mentioned every 1st round pick from 2007 to 2014.
In a league of 18 sides. Top 6 means pick 13 or 14 as the earliest pick. Then father son picks , free agent compensation and NSW and Queensland academy picks come in.
West coast didn't get one top 10 pick from 2014 to 2021. They finished 9th in 2014 and 2021. That means pick 11 at the earliest.
West coast made finals each year from 2015 to 2020.
Regardless of what happens, I don't care if the dockers make finals for 3 years in a row from 2025 to 2027. I don't care if we finish 5th or 6th each year with 3 home Elim finals wins in a row. I just want some finals success for this long suffering fan base.
Agree. There's also no universe Lyon doesn't keep Young as a defender. When Cox went down he most likely moves Treacy back and Taberner comes in.
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Feel like Hughes would have been one of those unshakeable Ross favourites too. Probably would have preferred to go in undersized with Hughes + Ryan + Chappy all rotating on a KPF than brought in Draper.
I also don't think Walters and Freddy would be getting away with their current number of tackles. Which I don't personally mind—you can only sprint so many times in a game, and I'd prefer those sprints to be offensive. But I know Ross would have wanted defensive sprints.
I also don't think Walters and Freddy would be getting away with their current number of tackles. Which I don't personally mind—you can only sprint so many times in a game, and I'd prefer those sprints to be offensive. But I know Ross would have wanted defensive sprints.
Sometimes he does. Sometimes it's the opposite. How he managed to win just 4 games in 2016 is still Freos greatest underachieving year in its history. Finished on top 2015, played in a competitive Prelim, them fell off a cliff.
Saints fans would be bitterly disappointed with 2024.
Par for an off season.Man, must be a slow day at the office when people are discussing a former coach coaching this list who's been gone for 5 years now
Giving JL credit for not losing anyone this off season is fine. But it’s a minor factor for him at this stage of this tenure.
The only currency that matters to him now in year 6 of the Longmuir era are wins. Lots of them. Ideally 16 + wins in the regular season and a prelim final appearance.
Keeping all our players this off season won’t matter for shit if we only win 12 games next season and miss out on finals again.
He will be 100% toast in that case.
Harsh maybe, but that the reality for JL in 2025.
The only currency that matters to him now in year 6 of the Longmuir era are wins. Lots of them. Ideally 16 + wins in the regular season and a prelim final appearance.
Keeping all our players this off season won’t matter for shit if we only win 12 games next season and miss out on finals again.
He will be 100% toast in that case.
Harsh maybe, but that the reality for JL in 2025.
Devils advocate , but there has been a very significant change in the football department this year.
That’s my point. Maybe the cause of player disharmony isn’t in that seat of power?
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I also think that Lachie Schulz would still be on the dockers list kicking 25 to 30 goals a season on a wing or forward flank
Ross Lyon likes those types. Ross Lyon stuck with Ballantyne even when his post 2014 All Australian stats fell.
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Yeah true...
It would suck to finish 9th to 12th again with 12 wins.
It is slowly a repeat of the 2002 to 2007 chris connolly era.
I wouldn't be firing or extending until the season is over, including finals.
Sticking with the incumbent coach has paid more dividends than going for the quick fix of late. I recon it’ll all come good this season for the playing group, selection committee and coach.
They got a lot right last year but that 5% off at critical times was the difference. Happy to give him the flick if we miss finals otherwise we just need to keep improving.
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well Ross Lyon is the bench mark on here. He has set the bar.Man, must be a slow day at the office when people are discussing a former coach coaching this list who's been gone for 5 years now
Only coach in our 30 year hist to guide us to back to back finals or finals for at least 2 years in a row.
I am gonna remind everyone here until another dockers coach does it.
Should of made back to back finals in 2005-6 under chris connolly.
Should of made back to back finals in 2021-22 under Justin Longmuir.
Had we done both, that would of mean 10 years of finals from 1995 to 2024 and 3 stand out sustained finals runs.
It’s the selection committee that’s worrying me now; I’m certain they are gonna piss me off in 2025.
They cost us at least 6-7 games this year.I’m still trying to recover from the Tabs/Voss ruck combo against Geelong and no ruckman in Hawthorn game.
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