Coach Justin Longmuir Pt 2

[wakojako]

Genuine question - what did you find that was so bad?

It's a preseason match against a bottom two side. Beating the dirty birds is not an accomplishment and doesn't really offer any insight into how good we are or how good JLo is. The game against Port Adelaide will be a better indicator of where we are but even than should not be taken too seriously. We should have high standards for our coach and we won't know if he meets them until halfway through this season.

 

[WilloTree]

It's a preseason match against a bottom two side. Beating the dirty birds is not an accomplishment and doesn't really offer any insight into how good we are or how good JLo is. The game against Port Adelaide will be a better indicator of where we are but even than should not be taken too seriously. We should have high standards for our coach and we won't know if he meets them until halfway through this season.

Thanks. Not starting anything but I understand it was a preseason game.

I meant what did you find in the game that was so bad? Not the Eagles - we know they are bad.

 

[wakojako]

Thanks. Not starting anything but I understand it was a preseason game.

I meant what did you find in the game that was so bad? Not the Eagles - we know they are bad.

I didn't watch the game so I can't comment on how good we were! Just trying to temper expectations for now

 

[DocT]

If it was that simple then there wouldn't be half the football department. All that intensity stuff comes from the preseason and the overall culture setup from day one. Teams that are relying on inspirational words each week for that spark to get going have already lost.

Agreed. But did you read my post? Or do you think straw-maning is a helpful path to meaningful discussion? Hint: it's not.
I have never anywhere suggested it's simple.
Here's what I said:
So I'm not saying routine is not important, just that JLo paired with Pearce seems to me to lack the rev-up aspect. At an elite level you need to plan to get all the ingredients right to succeed.
Teams that ignore the rev-up aspect that comes from fire-in-the-belly leadership are ignoring a key ingredient of success.
And, in this respect, it is that simple. Anyone who thinks that ignoring something that's even just 1% of the mix is the best way to success is delusional.
Do I need to use the weakest link in the chain metaphor? The shortest stave in the barrel? 'Attention to detail'?
Are you really suggesting that the big majority of premiership captain-coach combinations don't have the capacity for the good old fashioned rev-up/spray?
Come at me

 

[Freomaniac]

Do you think it would have been wise to match the 500K and keep Logue as 'cover'?

Yep it would of been wise to do that.

I wished we could go back to the end of 2021 or even early 2022 again. I wanted Freo to hand Griffen Logue a 2 year extension at $500,000 or even $600,000 a year.

that would of meant logue contracted until the end of 2024, that meant that he could of been a free agent.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Yep it would of been wise to do that.

I wished we could go back to the end of 2021 or even early 2022 again. I wanted Freo to hand Griffen Logue a 2 year extension at $500,000 or even $600,000 a year.

that would of meant logue contracted until the end of 2024, that meant that he could of been a free agent.

No, it wouldn’t.

 

[Freomaniac]

Twelve months is a long time in footy.

In 2022, Freo play in 2 finals. JLo is lauded as a good coach and the young team is slowly finding its feet.

Go forward 12 months, Freo have a shite season, for various reasons. Now JLo’s head is on the block and the team has no forward line ( oh, they have a bloody 3rd tall ).

Maybe things are not as bad, as supporters and media are making it out to be. Was 2023 a blip on the radar ?.

As I sit on my grassy knoll, I’m backing Freo to rebound with attacking flair.

That 2022 season will be a season to remember personally for me. But in retropect, I always savour every final we have won. We have only won 7 finals in our 30 year history. Which isnt a lot of finals wins compared to other (non victorian) sides. But each of those finals wins all stood out.

But I think losing Lobb, Acres, Tucker, Logue and Meek in the one off season hurt. Decent sides that make finals 4 years in a row, even if its 4 years of 5th to 8th placed finishes, dont lose many experienced players in one off season, especially best 23 players.

I will give Justin Longmuir the 2024 season to at least play out.

we got a good forward line to deal with and work with.

I dont care which finals spot we get, I dont care if we limp in with 8th spot. I want justin longmuir to guid freo to finals again.

 

[Freomaniac]

No, it wouldn’t.

how so? I want your opinion on here about it?

Here is my view on it. Do you think Logue would of got games at CHF or Full back in 2023? I say likely if Either Alex Pearce or Brennan Cox is injured. Especially if Joel Hamling left to play for the swans.

 

[Purple Jesus]

how so? I want your opinion on here about it?

Here is my view on it. Do you think Logue would have got games at CHF or Full back in 2023? I say likely if Either Alex Pearce or Brennan Cox is injured. Especially if Joel Hamling left to play for the swans.

He’s an injury riddled backman of who we have an abundance of choice (more so in 2022), was taken with a high pick and only played 60 odd games in 5 years. Finally had a decent run at it and we couldn’t fit him in so played him as a terrible forward.

Then he managed 3/4 of a season and did his ACL. Not really worth $500k for a B grade back or a D grade forward I would have thought.

 

[DocT]

That 2022 season will be a season to remember personally for me. But in retropect, I always savour every final we have won. We have only won 7 finals in our 30 year history. Which isnt a lot of finals wins compared to other (non victorian) sides. But each of those finals wins all stood out.

But I think losing Lobb, Acres, Tucker, Logue and Meek in the one off season hurt. Decent sides that make finals 4 years in a row, even if its 4 years of 5th to 8th placed finishes, dont lose many experienced players in one off season, especially best 23 players.

I will give Justin Longmuir the 2024 season to at least play out.

we got a good forward line to deal with and work with.

I dont care which finals spot we get, I dont care if we limp in with 8th spot. I want justin longmuir to guid freo to finals again.

TBF out of Lobb, Acres, Tucker, Logue and Meek only two, Lobb and Acres, were B23 locks in 2022.

 

[Docker82]

TBF out of Lobb, Acres, Tucker, Logue and Meek only two, Lobb and Acres, were B23 locks in 2022.

Not trying make an argument to sack JL but let's not make too many excuses for him either.

Our drop off last year was due to sh** game style and many best 22 players underperforming.

It's up to JL and his coaching staff to fix that this year.

 

[poshman]

Thanks. Not starting anything but I understand it was a preseason game.

I meant what did you find in the game that was so bad? Not the Eagles - we know they are bad.

How many barns do you have for all that straw.

You said it was 'outstanding' and were told you had low standards. No one said it was 'so bad'.

Aside from fitness and seeing young guys improve there was not much to take from the game aside from minor enjoyment at beating wce. Even that is tempered b y 90% as it was a preseason scratchie.

I will ask you this: If it was a loss would you have been as equally critical of JL as you were effusive in praise for him?

Outstanding... what made you come to that conclusion?

 

[poshman]

I didn't watch the game so I can't comment on how good we were! Just trying to temper expectations for now

Aside from fitness and the exposure for young guys it was fairly meaningless, you were right to call out a claim of JL being outstanding.

 

[poshman]

Not trying make an argument to sack JL but let's not make too many excuses for him either.

Our drop off last year was due to sh** game style and many best 22 players underperforming.

It's up to JL and his coaching staff to fix that this year.

And there were signs on the weekend, against a weak as water opposition that we have the same ball movement issues. I hope it is improved against Port.

 

[Docker82]

And there were signs on the weekend, against a weak as water opposition that we have the same ball movement issues. I hope it is improved against Port.

Let's wait and see.

Similar signs were there against the traffic cones last year when we played them

 

[88mph]

Let's wait and see.

Similar signs were there against the traffic cones last year when we played them

Perhaps we're being harsh.

Is the slow predicable switch which generally goes backwards or results in a turnover a deliberate tactic?

I'm just looking for something to explain why we keep doing it.

 

[Docker82]

Perhaps we're being harsh.

Is the slow predicable switch which generally goes backwards or results in a turnover a deliberate tactic?

I'm just looking for something to explain why we keep doing it.

Nah, I meant we looked pretty against West Coast when we won by 100+ last season but the majority of the competition did.

Besides I'm not sure I saw any more than 2-3 switches I'd consider slow on Saturday tbh. You can't be too critical on it happening occasionally.

Playing West Coast is genuinely pointless but it always has been in pre season even when they were good.

 

[Dump Truck]

I am on the "JL is good but a little uninspiring" side of the aisle but this is without a doubt also true. It's up to Pearce/Sonny/Serong/AB/Fyfe to gear up the players (not in a WC way) as they head into battle together. As you point out, why else make such fanfare over "leadership groups"

 

[WilloTree]

How many barns do you have for all that straw.

You said it was 'outstanding' and were told you had low standards. No one said it was 'so bad'.

Aside from fitness and seeing young guys improve there was not much to take from the game aside from minor enjoyment at beating wce. Even that is tempered b y 90% as it was a preseason scratchie.

I will ask you this: If it was a loss would you have been as equally critical of JL as you were effusive in praise for him?

Outstanding... what made you come to that conclusion?

oh absolutely.

If we lost but showed the same I'd be stoked.

• we dominated field position
• murdered them at stoppage
• excellent mid-forward connection
• moved the ball exceptionally well
• didn't look out on our legs (like many teams have I watched the week)
• held structure
• skills were sharp
• entries were efficient
• kicked well
• moved the ball quickly off half back and took meters

What was it that you found was bad?

 

[WilloTree]

Not trying make an argument to sack JL but let's not make too many excuses for him either.

Our drop off last year was due to sh** game style and many best 22 players underperforming.

It's up to JL and his coaching staff to fix that this year.

Sorry, but this is just wrong.

There's a lot more to an overall season performance than 'game style' and blaming a couple of players.

I'll give you an example:

What impact does losing Mundy and Acres have to our midfield?

 

[poshman]

oh absolutely.

If we lost but showed the same I'd be stoked.

• we dominated field position
• murdered them at stoppage
• excellent mid-forward connection
• moved the ball exceptionally well
• didn't look out on our legs (like many teams have I watched the week)
• held structure
• skills were sharp
• entries were efficient
• kicked well
• moved the ball quickly off half back and took meters

What was it that you found was bad?

I didn't say it bad. I will repeat myself. I simply said there wasn't much to take from it.

 

[yeahyeahnagh]

I didn't say it bad. I will repeat myself. I simply said there wasn't much to take from it.

Actually no.. you didn't simple say there wasn't much to take from it. If you had only said that you wouldnt be getting oush back.. you attacked the man and said his standards must be low. He has a right to defend himself..and you should learn to play the ball not the man if you want an easy life.

 

[WilloTree]

I didn't say it bad. I will repeat myself. I simply said there wasn't much to take from it.

You asked me:
"If it was a loss would you have been as equally critical of JL as you were effusive in praise for him?

Outstanding... what made you come to that conclusion?"

I answered your question is all. Fine if you don't agree. That's what a forum is. Def no hard feelings this end.

There are actually people who came on here to pot JL in a game they didn't watch. It's bizarre.

 

[poshman]

You asked me:
"If it was a loss would you have been as equally critical of JL as you were effusive in praise for him?

Outstanding... what made you come to that conclusion?"

I answered your question is all. Fine if you don't agree. That's what a forum is. Def no hard feelings this end.

There are actually people who came on here to pot JL in a game they didn't watch. It's bizarre.

Yes, I agree some come on here to pot him when they didn't watch the game.

My first interaction was to you asking a poster what was so bad. the poster hadn't said it as bad, neither have I. I didn't think it was outstanding, neither would I think it was bad if we had lost. It was a scratchie, I was hoping for fitness and no injuries. We got some injuries but at least they seem to be minor.

 

[poshman]

Actually no.. you didn't simple say there wasn't much to take from it. If you had only said that you wouldnt be getting oush back.. you attacked the man and said his standards must be low. He has a right to defend himself..and you should learn to play the ball not the man if you want an easy life.

Another who has reading comprehension issues. Quote where I said anything about low standards. I think you will find it was another poster and I referenced it in my post. Large difference.