Coach Justin Longmuir Pt 2

[poshman]

There are a few ways to interpret that article.

He was dismal for long periods last season (Pearce) and apparently some/most of that can be attributed to injury.

He lays the defensive data/poor performance at the feet of the team. Some of that is true. What is also true is the Pearce is a nervy starter who was turning the ball over on simple sideways kicks. Missed opportunities to leave his man and spoil as his confidence dropped and the team suffered as a result. He found some form at the end of the season but on a whole as a player he should have been dropped/rested multiple times throughout the season.

JL is sugar coating it, which is understandable. I hope we have an uninjured Pearce throughout the year. However, his injury history would suggest it is unlikely. Any injury like last year and we need to rest him so he can play the pointy end of the season at the level he finished last year. Now we have Macca in the squad we shouldn't hesitate to let him rest and let Brayshaw and Serrong co-captain.

The questions about Pearce arn't just because we had a poor year. They are because he had a poor year personally. It is fine for the club to sugar coat the message publicly as long as they aren't doing that internally.

 

[wakojako]

JL

If Pearce sits out training with the team this season like he did last season than the whole club is ****ed in the head.

 

[blue shark]

There are a few ways to interpret that article.

He was dismal for long periods last season (Pearce) and apparently some/most of that can be attributed to injury.

He lays the defensive data/poor performance at the feet of the team. Some of that is true. What is also true is the Pearce is a nervy starter who was turning the ball over on simple sideways kicks. Missed opportunities to leave his man and spoil as his confidence dropped and the team suffered as a result. He found some form at the end of the season but on a whole as a player he should have been dropped/rested multiple times throughout the season.

JL is sugar coating it, which is understandable. I hope we have an uninjured Pearce throughout the year. However, his injury history would suggest it is unlikely. Any injury like last year and we need to rest him so he can play the pointy end of the season at the level he finished last year. Now we have Macca in the squad we shouldn't hesitate to let him rest and let Brayshaw and Serrong co-captain.

The questions about Pearce arn't just because we had a poor year. They are because he had a poor year personally. It is fine for the club to sugar coat the message publicly as long as they aren't doing that internally.

The leadership group at Freo is a mixed bag.
Serong, Brayshaw are perfect, the old boys club is baffling?
I like the players that will die on that hill, those interstate clubs first
premierships were littered with fearsome competitors.
Yet we appear to be the good guys, as the saying goes.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

If Pearce sits out training with the team this season like he did last season than the whole club is ****ed in the head.

He looks a lot fitter to me. Watch the first half from vidwhal, even his kicking looks tightened up

 

[wakojako]

He looks a lot fitter to me. Watch the first half from vidwhal, even his kicking looks tightened up

100% this is the best he's looked in preseason for years. Fingers crossed for the captain

 

[poshman]

He looks a lot fitter to me. Watch the first half from vidwhal, even his kicking looks tightened up

Long may it continue!

 

[WilloTree]

It was unacceptable that North beat us last year. If that game plan and performance comes out early then the season will be effectively over very early no matter who we're playing and JL will be on borrowed time the next 3-4 months after that.

Okay maybe I'm putting too much on one game but if you can't beat one of the worst teams of our time after rebuilding since 2016 there's something seriously wrong and I wouldn't put it all on the playing list.

Yeah. I agree. t's a fools errand just picking out 1 game and putting too much stock in it.

Did we jump off JL when he beat Sydney in Sydney?

How about Geelong at Geelong?

No we didn't.

 

[Waterhouzin]

The game Pearce played against Hawkins in Geelong last year was absolutely phenomenal, BOG for mine.
If he can have that sort of impact, or even close to it, regularly this year then it will be almost as good as a fully fit Fyfe back in beast mode.
If those two (somewhat unlikely) events actually coincide, along with natural progression of our youngsters then watch out, it’s finals time!!!


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[MadMundy]

I still think Longmuir is the right man for the job, it's on him to produce those results this year.

 

[Dump Truck]

The game Pearce played against Hawkins in Geelong last year was absolutely phenomenal, BOG for mine.
If he can have that sort of impact, or even close to it, regularly this year then it will be almost as good as a fully fit Fyfe back in beast mode.
If those two (somewhat unlikely) events actually coincide, along with natural progression of our youngsters then watch out, it’s finals time!!!


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I don't always like Gary Lyon and his opinions, but the On The Couch episode that week he called it a "complete defenders game for the ages". And I completely agree with that. If we got that week in/week out from Pearce, we'd be bloody golden!

 

[Dale147]

JL

 

[dominguez]

Do you think it would have been wise to match the 500K and keep Logue as 'cover'?

I think Logue got 600k x 5. To match that for a guy that wasn't in our best back 7 would have been reckless.

Our first offer reported at 250k x 2 was too low. If we offered a million over 3 years he probably signs without testing the market. Belly dropped the ball there.

 

[WilloTree]

I think Logue got 600k x 5. To match that for a guy that wasn't in our best back 7 would have been reckless.

Our first offer reported at 250k x 2 was too low. If we offered a million over 3 years he probably signs without testing the market. Belly dropped the ball there.

Did he though?

It seems really obvious that the money was going into signing up the host of players we re-signed last year on longer deals and acquiring Jackson.

Dropping the ball would have been matching North's offer for Logue and losing someone like Serong because the money was gone trying to keep depth players.

Imagine the melts then!

 

[theGav56]

Pretty much agree.

Hogan - agree, train wreck pre JL (original trade)
Cerra - looked like he was out the door back in 2017
Logue - agree
Acres - agree, overestimated Hughes I reckon
Tucker - agree
Meek - agree
Lobb - **** that guy
Henry - agree
Schultz - torn here because on the surface it looks bad but there's something below the surface we don't know about that came up around the trade. The restump guys have alluded to it recently as well.
Hamling - honestly don't care. The dude never played. Fringe KPP move all the time. I think you're more upset than warranted for this one.


The list management mistakes after JL arrived is just lowballing Acres. Possibly Henry but we don't really know why he left unless you take the "live in Melbourne" thing on face value.

The other ones post JL are leaving for opportunity - fair enough, they weren't B22 or were Rory Lobb, who is a campaigner.

Not replying to your post specifically, just the general topic.

GCSs should be difficult to deal with. They let players go way too easily. We should be difficult too.

Losing Schultz, Acres, Lobb, Henry and Logue is very poor. All were best 22.

Hogan should have been managed better on arrival. He clearly had issues and the club seemed unable to hold him to account, and he is not the first traded in player we have failed to get anywhere close to their potential. McCarthy and Bennel feature on the list.

The piss-poor trade we got for both Acres and Logue is an issue. If they were surplus and we were open to trading we could have leveraged better deals.

 

[Joao]

Not replying to your post specifically, just the general topic.

GCSs should be difficult to deal with. They let players go way too easily. We should be difficult too.

Losing Schultz, Acres, Lobb, Henry and Logue is very poor. All were best 22.

Hogan should have been managed better on arrival. He clearly had issues and the club seemed unable to hold him to account, and he is not the first traded in player we have failed to get anywhere close to their potential. McCarthy and Bennel feature on the list.

The piss-poor trade we got for both Acres and Logue is an issue. If they were surplus and we were open to trading we could have leveraged better deals.

No argument from me that we need to be harder to deal with. We just give players away when they are uncontracted and seemingly let the other team name the price when the roles are reversed.

I know Snuffaluphagus is just as frustrated as me with this.

Having said that, I don't have a problem with letting those players go, we just need to get value when we do.

Also Logue doesn't count because North had a legitimate PSD threat and those stupid handout picks they had to trade. We did about as well as we could hope on that one.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

No argument from me that we need to be harder to deal with. We just give players away when they are uncontracted and seemingly let the other team name the price when the roles are reversed.

I know Snuffaluphagus is just as frustrated as me with this.

Having said that, I don't have a problem with letting those players go, we just need to get value when we do.

Also Logue doesn't count because North had a legitimate PSD threat and those stupid handout picks they had to trade. We did about as well as we could hope on that one.

Logue was extra bullshit because of what they got the next year even further diluting the crap we got AND being better than what the AFL gave them to specifically give to us. AFL as usual just saying who cares, **** Freo but there was no way we are getting more than the picks they were given specifically to trade while finishing last

 

[Joao]

Logue was extra bullshit because of what they got the next year even further diluting the crap we got AND being better than what the AFL gave them to specifically give to us. AFL as usual just saying who cares, * Freo but there was no way we are getting more than the picks they were given specifically to trade while finishing last

100% We might actually have got something decent, even with the PSD (they did give Richmond 19 for noted potato CCJ), but the compo package sealed our fate.

 

[WilloTree]

Right call to bring him in. We desperately needed (still need?) a player like him. Would love it if he was still on the list.

BUT

Pretty sure Hogan was a salary dump in the end. Not sure I'd be keen to keep a bloke on 800k who plays 4 games a year. That's how you end up with a Collingwood clusterfk trade period. He was also traded the year AFL reduced TPP due to COVID and we had young players out of contract. Up the road, every Eagle took a pay-cut!

The TPP isn't endless.

 

[JammoMonty]

Not replying to your post specifically, just the general topic.

GCSs should be difficult to deal with. They let players go way too easily. We should be difficult too.

Losing Schultz, Acres, Lobb, Henry and Logue is very poor. All were best 22.

Hogan should have been managed better on arrival. He clearly had issues and the club seemed unable to hold him to account, and he is not the first traded in player we have failed to get anywhere close to their potential. McCarthy and Bennel feature on the list.

The piss-poor trade we got for both Acres and Logue is an issue. If they were surplus and we were open to trading we could have leveraged better deals.

Shultz had personal reasons for heading home so no bad blood. Logue and Henry were nothing more than depth and considering their draft positions it was a massive let down. Lobb played his role and Acres for me hurt the most. His final series last year was huge.

 

[Mogumber]

Wasn't Logues fault he was taken too high up in the Draft.
That's all on the recruiters

 

[theGav56]

No argument from me that we need to be harder to deal with. We just give players away when they are uncontracted and seemingly let the other team name the price when the roles are reversed.

I know Snuffaluphagus is just as frustrated as me with this.

Having said that, I don't have a problem with letting those players go, we just need to get value when we do.

Also Logue doesn't count because North had a legitimate PSD threat and those stupid handout picks they had to trade. We did about as well as we could hope on that one.

I think Logue counts. List management shouldn't be left to the last minute. If it is we leave ourselves open to the likes of North Melbourne. There is no doubt the club wanted to keep Logue and could have done that.

It happens too often at our club, especially with best 22 players.

 

[theGav56]

Shultz had personal reasons for heading home so no bad blood. Logue and Henry were nothing more than depth and considering their draft positions it was a massive let down. Lobb played his role and Acres for me hurt the most. His final series last year was huge.

What do you mean no bad blood? I'm not hating on Schultz. Our player management is in the business of winning us a premiership and unless a trade upgrades our list, they are not moving us forward.

 

[masai tu]

I still think Longmuir is the right man for the job, it's on him to produce those results this year.

Twelve months is a long time in footy.

In 2022, Freo play in 2 finals. JLo is lauded as a good coach and the young team is slowly finding its feet.

Go forward 12 months, Freo have a shite season, for various reasons. Now JLo’s head is on the block and the team has no forward line ( oh, they have a bloody 3rd tall ).

Maybe things are not as bad, as supporters and media are making it out to be. Was 2023 a blip on the radar ?.

As I sit on my grassy knoll, I’m backing Freo to rebound with attacking flair.

 

[FD2646]

No argument from me that we need to be harder to deal with. We just give players away when they are uncontracted and seemingly let the other team name the price when the roles are reversed.

I know Snuffaluphagus is just as frustrated as me with this.

Having said that, I don't have a problem with letting those players go, we just need to get value when we do.

Also Logue doesn't count because North had a legitimate PSD threat and those stupid handout picks they had to trade. We did about as well as we could hope on that one.

I vote Taylor for list manager!

 

[88mph]

I just learnt Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

is out of contract end of 2024, so I popped over to the Geelong board for a squiz...

They don't even have a thread on him!

Well maybe they do, but not on the first couple of pages.

Says a lot.

Get the job done Garlick.