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exactly!! although 12 months is pushing it. i can barely remember any one dayers from last year.
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exactly!! although 12 months is pushing it. i can barely remember any one dayers from last year.
Well, when you consider the difference in their averages and wickets per game, it still is a bit of a joke to consider a swap. SOK is a much, much better T20 bowler than Doherty. Not that Doherty is a crap bowler generally, he is a gun 50 over bowler (and he does suffer a little in T20s from taking the new ball which comes on to the bat even better).
I'd take Krejza well before Doherty, and only a shade behind SOK (not much difference really, SOK the better average, Krejza the better economy, SOK the better batsman).
And as Phone pointed out, Hauritz is very much the forgotten man. I've pretty much stopped even considering him now. It's stupid, but I can't see him playing cricket for Australia again.
Steve Smith is also a very underrated T20 bowler. He's fantastic in this format with the ball, with 42 wickets in 40 matches at 17 and an economy 7.4 an over (and 16 wickets from 15 matches at 20.8 and an economy of 7.8 an over in internationals). Like Krejza, like SOK, and like Hauritz (these days), he takes the pace off the ball and makes the batsmen work to hit it. It's a recurring theme for all successful T20 spinners, and it's something that Doherty doesn't do.
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O'Keefe imo is in a different class to the rest of the spinners in Australia. he needs to be in the test team.
While this is true, they still could have won if White didn't bowl bloody Lee second last over. One of the spinners could have kept it tight and given Watson something to work with. As it is he still nearly pulled it off but why the F*# did they drop mid on back with the new bat on strike and 3 balls to go? White's captaincy was all over the shop tonight. Lee & Tait are way too expensive to bowl near the end.
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Perhaps he was doing Rickys old trick, rather than hiding the weakness of players he doesnt want he lets them be seen quite obviously so next time they might pick a proper bowler like Dirk!
Be interesting to see who gets dropped for Melbourne, probably be Johnson but Lee or Tait would be fairer based on performance tonight
Be interesting to see who gets dropped for Melbourne, probably be Johnson but Lee or Tait would be fairer based on performance tonight
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The plan was to give away a single, making Shezad, the number 11 on strike
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It was a leg bye. The field wouldn't have prevented the single.
The plan was to challenger Shezad to tee off
The plan was to challenger Shezad to tee off
Geez you spew up a lot of bile. If you are seriously suggesting that Clarke should replace White in the T20 side, even Hilditch would say you have NFI.
You can say that about most bowlers for Aus this summer. Thick as.
Yep, i'd be playing two spinners myself, especially in the ODI's when we've got a World Cup in India coming up. Hauritz and SOK in T20 and Hauritz and Doherty in ODI's imo. Problem is Ponting either doesn't know how to use spinners or doesn't rate them so it's probably unlikely that we'll see this.
When you look at his domestic and international T20 record Hussey is anything but a suspect choice. One poor game with the bat (he did bowl and field well) doesn't make you a dud.
Our bowlers didn't lose us the game, our batsmen did, and shit fielding didn't help.
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Apart from a few fleeting moments (mainly Watson inspired) I never really felt lie we were a show.
It was like a little brother trying to take it up to big brother, but in the back of your mind you always felt that big brother had something up his sleeve.
Some of the decisions selection and tactically had me stumped.
Tim Pain may be a good keeper and the future etc, but I'm pretty confident that if Haddin had played he would have batted. IS Pain a 20/20 batsman, if not Haddin should have been in.
Steve Smith - if he's not going to bowl, is he really the best we have with a bat in his hand. I would have thought Dan Christian and Callum Ferguson, to name a couple are far superior options with the bat and the format of the game.
We were 0/89, 6 overs later we are about 3/120. For the majority of this block we had our two most experienced 20/20 bats at the crease, yet the momentum was leaking by the ball. One of the two had to take the momentum, and they both had to be looking to score. 157 was NOT a par score, and we finished our 20 overs only 4 down, I reckon if you finish an innings below par with wickets in the can you have not chased hard enough.
I'm reserving my thoughts on finch as I hadn't seen him before. But the more experienced batsmen had to understand the situation.
Tait when misfiring is a liability, if a batsman is hitting him cleanly, he leaks too many runs. We were very lucky Mitchell was on target given Tait and Lee were both leaking too many runs.
Some of our field placements late in the game were bizarre to me ... perhaps Im out of touch.
It was like a little brother trying to take it up to big brother, but in the back of your mind you always felt that big brother had something up his sleeve.
Some of the decisions selection and tactically had me stumped.
Tim Pain may be a good keeper and the future etc, but I'm pretty confident that if Haddin had played he would have batted. IS Pain a 20/20 batsman, if not Haddin should have been in.
Steve Smith - if he's not going to bowl, is he really the best we have with a bat in his hand. I would have thought Dan Christian and Callum Ferguson, to name a couple are far superior options with the bat and the format of the game.
We were 0/89, 6 overs later we are about 3/120. For the majority of this block we had our two most experienced 20/20 bats at the crease, yet the momentum was leaking by the ball. One of the two had to take the momentum, and they both had to be looking to score. 157 was NOT a par score, and we finished our 20 overs only 4 down, I reckon if you finish an innings below par with wickets in the can you have not chased hard enough.
I'm reserving my thoughts on finch as I hadn't seen him before. But the more experienced batsmen had to understand the situation.
Tait when misfiring is a liability, if a batsman is hitting him cleanly, he leaks too many runs. We were very lucky Mitchell was on target given Tait and Lee were both leaking too many runs.
Some of our field placements late in the game were bizarre to me ... perhaps Im out of touch.
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There were still men in the outfield when Shezad was on strike. I would have had them in, and probably sat someone in his back pocket.
Yes spot on. Your points about Paine and Smith were equally baffling to me. Paine is in superb touch and a great bat in short form, why was he pushed down the order? And what is Smith even doing in the team? What is his role?
Selection, tactics, execution, everything was as poor and inexplicable as everything else we've seen from Australia this summer.
I can only think that cause Aus got of to the good start they wanted to continue with the momentum and bring in Hussey but then he played a real strange innings and took it way to slow for the spot we was in.
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Paine has a strike rate of 144 in T20D, Haddin's is 113 and both have pretty much the same average. Not saying Haddin is worse than Paine, but Paine can definitely be an effective t20 player.
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For me the problems from last nights game were:
- Our batting line-up (Paine ahead of Smith at least, and for Hussey and the boys to have gone for it when we had the chance)
- Our fielding (O'Keefe dropped a sitter, missfields and even the incident with O'Keefe and Smith at the end when Smith had to rip O'Keefe's hand off the ball to throw it back appeared odd and like a team not in sync)
- Brett Lee (WTF?? seriously, he celebrates after his first wicket like he has just won the game, then takes off after his catch running around like a 12 year old and not even congratulating Watson ((who was the only player on the night that had the right to celebrate his performance)) on his bowling......THEN bowls an 11 run final over, the second last of the match, consisting of two waist high full tosses that in my opinion lost us the match.)
- Shaun Tait leaks runs, I think we bowl him poorly, should not open, should be used in maybe one over bursts.
Please forgive me, I don't watch a heap of 20/20 but I was under the impression that a ball pitched at a good length and on the right line is still generally the hardest ball to hit for runs?
- Our batting line-up (Paine ahead of Smith at least, and for Hussey and the boys to have gone for it when we had the chance)
- Our fielding (O'Keefe dropped a sitter, missfields and even the incident with O'Keefe and Smith at the end when Smith had to rip O'Keefe's hand off the ball to throw it back appeared odd and like a team not in sync)
- Brett Lee (WTF?? seriously, he celebrates after his first wicket like he has just won the game, then takes off after his catch running around like a 12 year old and not even congratulating Watson ((who was the only player on the night that had the right to celebrate his performance)) on his bowling......THEN bowls an 11 run final over, the second last of the match, consisting of two waist high full tosses that in my opinion lost us the match.)
- Shaun Tait leaks runs, I think we bowl him poorly, should not open, should be used in maybe one over bursts.
Please forgive me, I don't watch a heap of 20/20 but I was under the impression that a ball pitched at a good length and on the right line is still generally the hardest ball to hit for runs?
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That was quite possibly the best game I'll ever attend, the atmosphere was electric in those last few overs!!Watto, you son of a gun!!!!
Every second game you go to seems to be the BEST EVER
How much is Ritz paying you?
such is my love for the man i pay him.
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The batter's never went after the bowling except Watson and the 2 dropped catches off Tait where very costly not to mention the 4 runs that O'Keefe let go through his body (combine that with his dropped sitter and he should never play Aus again - unless he learns to field)
What has happened to Australian fielding? It was easy to see in the Test sreies our fielders are no longer the world leaders we are used to seeing in a baggy green and now unfortunately it's crossed over to the pygama game.
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