Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2013 phantom draft

[Sin City]

Since when is Naitanui 208 cms?

You've narrowed it right down then

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

And at the time he was drafted he didn't have elite clearance ability and precise kicking skills, or he would have not lasted past pick 2. And that's only because Kreuzer was regarded as an absolute standout tall prospect.

Sure - he was rated as an explosive and powerful player (half back and wing IIRC), and his kicking was highly rated (but inconsistent).

No player that gets brought into the system is the finished package, and by that extension a player with similar traits to Dangerfield when he was drafted could well improve into a similarly damaging player.

 

[Chris Grant]

Maybe. Of those 5 how many went pick 1?

I can only think of one, Cooney.

 

[swansfan51]

No player that gets brought into the system is the finished package, and by that extension a player with similar traits to Dangerfield when he was drafted could well improve into a similarly damaging player.

Of course, but none of us have the benefit of hindsight. Cale Morton was a Larke medallist, unique combination of skills, height and huge endurance, averaged 20+ disposals at the championships. Every recruiter would have taken him above Dangerfield, and they all would have been wrong - doesn't mean they wouldn't have done it!

 

[Chris Grant]

Hey knightmare, just wondering what the knock on Sean Tighe is? Seems to have done really well at state league level over a number of year's. Surely he will get a chance this year, still only young.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

And at the time he was drafted he didn't have elite clearance ability and precise kicking skills, or he would have not lasted past pick 2. And that's only because Kreuzer was regarded as an absolute standout tall prospect.

I'd say Dangerfield had elite clearance ability when he was drafted. There were questions over whether he could get enough of the ball and whether he had the endurance to be a full time midfielder

 

[Knightmare]

Knightmare,

West Coast would ideally like a mid in the Dangerfield mould. A medium to tall mid with explosive pace, elite clearance ability and precise kicking skills. I know these mids dont grow on trees but if WC were to be looking for exactly that, who do you think they'd go for?

It looks like Freeman pretty much fits the bill but I'm not sure I'd be keen on WC getting more mids under the 185cm mark. We seem to struggle against the taller, bigger bodied midfields with no mids over the 187cm mark. I also see he's been tipped for around the 10 to 15 mark so maybe WC would be reaching if they picked him up around the 8 to 10 mark?

Nathan Freeman fits for explosive pace, clearance ability and precise footskills. He's got a relatively strong body at 85kg.

Ben Lennon if available while not a pure midfielder and more a tall utility fits this profile with pace, footskills and some ball winning ability.

If looking for a taller midfielder Marcus Bontempelli is also good one and fits that profile reasonably well. Late birthday and still developing but his inside game is coming along and he's a real athlete at that size. By foot at times can do some damage when given time and space so that may also further develop.

 

[Knightmare]

On Dangerfield because there is so much discussion it was a case of against more experienced talent in one of the AIS games he was one of two (from memory the other may have been Daniel Rich?) who really held their own and played strong footy.
On that back of that Adelaide drafted him and really had him locked in as one of the very top prospects on their draft board.

Hey knightmare, just wondering what the knock on Sean Tighe is? Seems to have done really well at state league level over a number of year's. Surely he will get a chance this year, still only young.

Tighe is playing strong footy again. But at around 198cm he's not ruck height and as a lighter bodied type there are those questions around position at the next level as well performed as he is.
Perhaps he finds a role as a key defender having played there back in his TAC days but having played his recent seasons as a ruckman it's difficult to judge.

He still has plenty of time to make it and as a young tall who is playing strong footy he just needs to continue producing and continue improving.

 

[philthy05]

A Kade Kolodjashnij may be an option if looking for something more outside with footskills and run and carry. Blake Acres is another who probably hasn't been spoken about enough as another who can really use the footy on the outside. Both really have the numbers to back up their cases.

Lewis Taylor, Marcus Bontempelli, Billy Hartung and Nathan Freeman all have some real pace so there are some guys early draft.

what players this year have shown an ability to find plenty of the ball ala wines? port had a bad run of drafting where we took players with promise who never found a lot of the ball at junior levels and expected that to turn around in an afl system.

we were lucky guys like wingard and wines fell to us the last two drafts. both players were fairly well proven as being able to find plenty of the ball.

a run and carry guy who can rack up a tonne of the ball with good disposal. blake acres sounds like he may fit the bill?

 

[Knightmare]

what players this year have shown an ability to find plenty of the ball ala wines? port had a bad run of drafting where we took players with promise who never found a lot of the ball at junior levels and expected that to turn around in an afl system.

we were lucky guys like wingard and wines fell to us the last two drafts. both players were fairly well proven as being able to find plenty of the ball.

a run and carry guy who can rack up a tonne of the ball with good disposal. blake acres sounds like he may fit the bill?

Acres is a good one. Has been productive and certainly finds the footy. He's a possibility.

Kolodjashnij if he's available is another where he really has that production behind him to backup his case.

Lewis Taylor or Billy Hartung if you don't mind going small.

Bontempelli is the ultimate for what you are talking about. Has dominated at school level and perhaps not to that same standard in u18s but if you don't mind having a shot at a guy who will reach his ceiling a bit later he could be the pick of the bunch.

 

[fronkalicious]

Hey km, you're Jason McCartney. Boyd, aish and scharenberg are off the board and the dogs have pick 4. Who u taking and why?

 

[Knightmare]

Hey km, you're Jason McCartney. Boyd, aish and scharenberg are off the board and the dogs have pick 4. Who u taking and why?

The Dogs would be looking at Billings and Kelly. I probably wouldn't go with either as well as they will both fit as the absolute premier users of the footy in this draft I'm just not a fan of taking a small forward (Billings) or an outside midfielder who can win his own ball (Kelly) in the top 5. It just suggests limited upside to me as immediate as they will fit and as much as they will help you for footskills.

But who I'd be taking. I've been a big Nathan Freeman fan to this point with his explosive pace, footskills and ability to win his own footy but I have to say after last weekend if he keeps performing the way he is and continues his progress Marcus Bontempelli is my man and I'd go as far as saying he is a worthy pick 2 as a guy with the potential to become the best in the draft.

Bontempelli has the versatility to play wherever you need him but he's a freakishly athletic tall at 191cm but is looking best suited as an inside midfielder. Not what Dogs fans want to hear but when you've got a top selection you want Chris Judd, not Graham Polak so you take the best guy available early draft regardless of position every time and look to fill your needs later. And when you have a 191cm guy who has a late year birthday, is still growing, improving like crazy and is good for 30 disposals a game in the TAC and can go off for 50 disposals and 10 goals in a school footy game that's usually a pretty good indication that the fella can not only play good footy but absolutely out and out dominate games.

 

[Lazar Goz]

Anyb

The Dogs would be looking at Billings and Kelly. I probably wouldn't go with either as well as they will both fit as the absolute premier users of the footy in this draft I'm just not a fan of taking a small forward (Billings) or an outside midfielder who can win his own ball (Kelly) in the top 5. It just suggests limited upside to me as immediate as they will fit and as much as they will help you for footskills.

But who I'd be taking. I've been a big Nathan Freeman fan to this point with his explosive pace, footskills and ability to win his own footy but I have to say after last weekend if he keeps performing the way he is and continues his progress Marcus Bontempelli is my man and I'd go as far as saying he is a worthy pick 2 as a guy with the potential to become the best in the draft.

Bontempelli has the versatility to play wherever you need him but he's a freakishly athletic tall at 191cm but is looking best suited as an inside midfielder. Not what Dogs fans want to hear but when you've got a top selection you want Chris Judd, not Graham Polak so you take the best guy available early draft regardless of position every time and look to fill your needs later. And when you have a 191cm guy who has a late year birthday, is still growing, improving like crazy and is good for 30 disposals a game in the TAC and can go off for 50 disposals and 10 goals in a school footy game that's usually a pretty good indication that the fella can not only play good footy but absolutely out and out dominate games.

Any defenders the swans should be going for if gardiner falls?

 

[Knightmare]

Anyb

Any defenders the swans should be going for if gardiner falls?

I'd look to trade week for a key defender.

In my view it's a case of Gardiner is the key defender of this draft. Hourigan could be swung back if you wanted but I like him more as a forward based on what I'm seeing this year. The others are more late draft/rookie options who may be worth further looking into but there is no real standout with probably Cameron Giles that next best.

 

[Igloo]

The Dogs would be looking at Billings and Kelly. I probably wouldn't go with either as well as they will both fit as the absolute premier users of the footy in this draft I'm just not a fan of taking a small forward (Billings) or an outside midfielder who can win his own ball (Kelly) in the top 5. It just suggests limited upside to me as immediate as they will fit and as much as they will help you for footskills.

But who I'd be taking. I've been a big Nathan Freeman fan to this point with his explosive pace, footskills and ability to win his own footy but I have to say after last weekend if he keeps performing the way he is and continues his progress Marcus Bontempelli is my man and I'd go as far as saying he is a worthy pick 2 as a guy with the potential to become the best in the draft.

Bontempelli has the versatility to play wherever you need him but he's a freakishly athletic tall at 191cm but is looking best suited as an inside midfielder. Not what Dogs fans want to hear but when you've got a top selection you want Chris Judd, not Graham Polak so you take the best guy available early draft regardless of position every time and look to fill your needs later. And when you have a 191cm guy who has a late year birthday, is still growing, improving like crazy and is good for 30 disposals a game in the TAC and can go off for 50 disposals and 10 goals in a school footy game that's usually a pretty good indication that the fella can not only play good footy but absolutely out and out dominate games.

If we can't manage to get pick 1, Bontempelli or Billings are my preferred options. I've been quite surprised at how low Bontempelli's been rated around the place, as I think he could end up one of the best, if not the best, in the draft. He would fit really well into our side, imo.

 

[Super Hans]

KM, I've got a few questions.

1. How has Josh Toy's form been in the VFL? Is he a chance to come back in the system?

2. How early do you expect Josh Kelly to play solid footy at AFL level?

3. If Jaksch was in this years draft, what pick would you have him at?

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

But who I'd be taking. I've been a big Nathan Freeman fan to this point with his explosive pace, footskills and ability to win his own footy but I have to say after last weekend if he keeps performing the way he is and continues his progress Marcus Bontempelli is my man and I'd go as far as saying he is a worthy pick 2 as a guy with the potential to become the best in the draft.

It sounds like Bontempelli is the sort of player WC would be after. A tall, athletic mid with pace and can win the inside ball. Do you seem him lasting to West Coasts pick?

 

[Schtinker]

With West Coast needing midfielders in a midfielders draft why have you got us taking a KPD and a fleet of midget forwards?

 

[Ian Dunross]

KM, a more broad question regarding Adelaide's recruiting (being my second team).

Randell is publicly acknowledged as the guru behind the Tippett, Sloane, Dangerfield, Jenkins, Walker recruits.

With his departure, is Adelaide's recruitment staff up to scratch? In the light of the Tippett draft penalties, in your opinion do you foresee Adelaide continuing to pull diamonds from the rough?

Cheers.

 

[texdog]

KM, out of these three talls Conlon, McCarthy and Harvey where do you think they will go and who is the best of the three? Who suits the dogs the best as well?

Cheers.

 

[Knightmare]

If we can't manage to get pick 1, Bontempelli or Billings are my preferred options. I've been quite surprised at how low Bontempelli's been rated around the place, as I think he could end up one of the best, if not the best, in the draft. He would fit really well into our side, imo.

Bontempelli is one who probably hasn't had that same exposure which is more it with school footy early season and not too much TAC. It's a case of the more he plays the more he improves in a similar way to Macrae in some respects last year as a guy who can be a real riser.

KM, I've got a few questions.

1. How has Josh Toy's form been in the VFL? Is he a chance to come back in the system?

2. How early do you expect Josh Kelly to play solid footy at AFL level?

3. If Jaksch was in this years draft, what pick would you have him at?

1. Toy has only played the 5 games. In only the 1 game has had more than 10 disposals so I don't think he'll be reselected.

2. Josh Kelly can play good footy from round 1. I generally knock his upside being an outside type who can't win his own footy but as an outside type his endurance and footskills are up to such a high level that he'll have no problem stepping right in, finding the footy and adjusting to the pace.

3. Jaksch if in this draft would be a late 1st rounder. I'd probably have him going around pick 15 to Fremantle if in this draft with their KPP needs.

It sounds like Bontempelli is the sort of player WC would be after. A tall, athletic mid with pace and can win the inside ball. Do you seem him lasting to West Coasts pick?

According to AFL.com he isn't a top 20 prospect going on what they had to say post champs but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he went top 10 if not top 5 come draft day if his improvement continues.

With West Coast needing midfielders in a midfielders draft why have you got us taking a KPD and a fleet of midget forwards?

Glass is aging. Mitch Brown wanted out last year and may well again want out. As good as WCE's talls are at each post that key defence post could be something where perhaps at the end of next season if Glass retires could really become a weakness with McKenzie that one quality key defender remaining.
Gardiner having been compared to Glass may possibly be the choice as much as the midfield needs help.

Dwayne Wilson provides outside pace which until Jamie Bennell comes through I see as a major need.

Stokes is J.Garlett quick so in a slow team without a quality speedster up forward could be useful.

And McCarthy as another forward may also be useful as a crumber though in my own draft order - yet to be updated I've not got a midfielder at that position.

KM, a more broad question regarding Adelaide's recruiting (being my second team).

Randell is publicly acknowledged as the guru behind the Tippett, Sloane, Dangerfield, Jenkins, Walker recruits.

With his departure, is Adelaide's recruitment staff up to scratch? In the light of the Tippett draft penalties, in your opinion do you foresee Adelaide continuing to pull diamonds from the rough?

Cheers.

It will be hard to get a gauge on for some time until Adelaide have those first and second round selections again in 2014 and we see their success I don't think anyone will be able to answer that one for you.

Rendell is a quality recruiter and I'd have him in my top 3 with S.Wells (Geelong) and D.Hine (Collingwood) also with their proven success as those real top recruiters over these past 10 seasons.

KM, out of these three talls Conlon, McCarthy and Harvey where do you think they will go and who is the best of the three? Who suits the dogs the best as well?

Cheers.

McCarthy will go first and will go first round and quite possibly inside the top 10.

Harvey may go around the second round mark.

Then Conlon having not played this season has a very wide potential draft range. Perhaps he did enough last year to go early, perhaps he drops into the rookie draft because clubs just aren't certain and haven't seen enough recent footy to know how he stacks up now.

All have a chance to go on to have success without being locks to become anything. Personally I'm a Mitch Harvey fan and I like the value he represents in the 2nd round, Cameron Conlon if you don't have to use a 1st round selection on him I also like but most recruiters will say go with Cameron McCarthy if you get the choice and I'd probably agree with them. He's still raw and to my knowledge hasn't even had a preseason or spent time in the gym making what he's doing incredibly impressive but his production already is sensational for a guy who really hasn't played much footy before this year and improveming as quick as he is and having come from playing basketball background his ceiling is potentially very high. He'd fit for any team willing to give him time but could surprise earlier than expected with a preseason or two in him.

 

[texdog]

Any chance of McCarthy going to the doggies? Would we have to use our first pick or will our second round do?

 

[Knightmare]

Any chance of McCarthy going to the doggies? Would we have to use our first pick or will our second round do?

It will have to be your first pick if you want McCarthy.

 

[Sydswans0512]

What KPDs do you think we could get with our picks?

 

[Knightmare]

What KPDs do you think we could get with our picks?

Cameron Giles, Daniel McStay, Tyler Keital, Alex Spencer, Jake Kolodjashnij.

The simple answer however is no high end options and more late/rookie type prospects.