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KOUTA: overated or genuine superstar?
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I guess we better ignore those that want to call Chris Judd a superstar or champion.
Seems the prerequiste has climbed to >5 yrs at the top of your game.
Weagle fans should make up their minds....which is it ?
Kouta in his prime was at least as good as Judd...and a lot more versatile...but Judd's only been at the top a few yrs so i guess we better refrain from labelling Judd a superstar or champ.
Seems the prerequiste has climbed to >5 yrs at the top of your game.
Weagle fans should make up their minds....which is it ?
Kouta in his prime was at least as good as Judd...and a lot more versatile...but Judd's only been at the top a few yrs so i guess we better refrain from labelling Judd a superstar or champ.
GRANGE_GSM
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Yeah, I guess that's why Carlton, Essendon and Brisbane won so many games last season.
stupid call idiot!...obviously they are all past winning games off their boots!
thats why when those players mentioned were in their prime their teams were playing deep into the finals!...
carlton 95-00 kouta was a freak
ess99-02 prelim in hirds brownlow year
brisbane we all know about!
so i think its stupid to compare these teams off thier champions and them winning games now...because obviously its past them!
JeffDunne
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Kouta at his best was as good as has played the game. If that don't make you a superstar I don't know what does.
Problem for Carlton though was that it was short lived - and haven't they paid a kings ransom for a couple of good sesaons? I guess that's only fitting though as his career was cut short by poor injury management due to the desperation of a coach trying to keep his job.
Problem for Carlton though was that it was short lived - and haven't they paid a kings ransom for a couple of good sesaons? I guess that's only fitting though as his career was cut short by poor injury management due to the desperation of a coach trying to keep his job.
Yeah, I guess that's why Carlton, Essendon and Brisbane won so many games last season.
Carey - 2 Premierships
Hird - 2 Premierships
Voss - 3 Premierships
Judd - 1 Premiership
Kouta - 1 Premiership
Buckley - 0.0
I think that says it all really. Those players would have got Collingwood over the line. Buckley could not. Voss got Brisbane over the line in 2002. Therein lies the difference.
Keep it up tiger
Yeh, that and a half a dozen other players.Carey - 2 Premierships
Hird - 2 Premierships
Voss - 3 Premierships
Judd - 1 Premiership
Kouta - 1 Premiership
Buckley - 0.0
I think that says it all really. Those players would have got Collingwood over the line. Buckley could not. Voss got Brisbane over the line in 2002. Therein lies the difference.
Keep it up tiger
What does that mean? 4 seasons? 4 games? His best 4 games were better than Carey could produce? Based on what, Carey’s averaged out performance?
I doubt Kouta’s best was better than Carey’s best or for that matter Ablett’s best or many others. Hird, Voss, Buckley, Harvey are just a few midfielders that would have played as well numerous times in midfield roles as Kouta’s best. As a fo4rwasrd he was handy. As a CHB type he was also handy but never in those roles did he rip a game apart. St his best he played a bit of all those roles and did it very well. A few times he did rip games apart and sometimes in a role combining a midfield and KP. I don’t doubt that Kouta’s best was very good but let’s not get carried away. All the top quality players have outstanding best form and very good average with a high low point. Was Kouta v Carlton in 1999 any better than a couple of Carey Prelims v Geelong? Could he kick 9 in a losing GF? How many times did he get over 40 possessions as a midfielder?
(a) Last time I looked it is a team-sport
(b) If you don't take in the above, then the last time Buckley helped win a game off his own boot was only his third last game!
(c) This thread is about Kouta, not Collingwood!
Yes, that's correct. It's about whether or not Kouta is a champion and I stated yes. I also said that I rate Kouta above Buckley just to highlight were i think his standing in the game is.
Simple really.
PetePop
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Kouta is a good player just a terrible kick at goal
poopa trooper
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been impressed with the reasons behind people's opinion so far.... i get the impreesion that most ppl think he would be a Afl champoin if it wasnt for injuries.... As it stands he a very very good player, just below the champoins of the game
Another Super Star: Peter Daicos (all time great foward pockets) never won a Brownlow but there is no-one out there who saw him play who could'nt agree he was a superstar. Like Kouta, Daics career was ruined by major injuries. Kouta relied on all his physical talent to do the unbelievable. Take away the complete use of the spring from his legs and he just is'nt the superstar we once saw (still a good player though!)
In the end awards mean little as the true value of a player remains in the mind of the spectators that saw them in action! Having seen players like Gary Ablett, Judd screeming through the centre square Kouta taking one handers nothing comes close to a solitary quater played by Peter Daicos in the early 80's (before his knee reconstruction) where he dazzled and weaved through the best team in the comp "North" kicking seven goals and setting up others. Still can't believe he did it and how he did it. For you Blue's supporters no doubt Kouta was special and therefore remains a Super Star of the game.
poopa trooper
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big call mossi
ManWithNoName
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4 and a half years isn't an extended period of time?
poopa trooper
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i think the reason he was thought of so highly is that he was cut down in his prime when he was playin awesome footy.... It would be similar if kouta (or judd ended his career now) had his career ended 2000-2001. because of his gradual slide since then it takes abit of gloss off his earlier performances where as coleman never got the chance to get older and loose his ability as has happened to kouta but a valid point still
poopa trooper
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And what a 4 and a half years it was...
CAREER STATISTICS
Played 1949-54
Games 98
Goals 537
Premiership player 1949,1950
Grand Final appearances 1949,1950
Finals played-6
EFC Vice-Captain 1953-54
EFC Best & Fairest 1949
Top 5 EFC best & fairest finishes 1949, 1952
EFC Leading goalkicker1949 -1954
VFL Leading goalkicker 1949,1950,1952,1953
Top 5 Brownlow medal finishes -1949
Victorian Representative 1949-51, 1953
All Australian 1953
PetePop
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dont go by what he is now go his prime and he was an awesome player no doubt about it
Definitely overrated, but then again most footballers are.
poopa trooper
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yeh true, the word champion gets thrown around way too much these days
Butera
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Playing at his peak he was the best, after his second knee reconstruction and the passing of his father he came back better then anyone has seen, winning games off his own boot and destroying teams, coming back after his third knee reconstruction/problem he took carltons 2nd best and fairest, after back related hamstring problems took carltons best and fairest, yes the carlton side is not flash so he didnt have much competition but he batteled it out against the best midfielders in the competition, at the age of 33 being the most used player in the competition, leading the afl for clearences and still getting in there to give an example to the young kids, look at all the players who gave away the game after serious injuries like schwarz who had massive talent, kouta was different he got back in there, went through the pain mentally and physically to pull on the navy blue, in my opinion that is a champion
Has he even had one really good year?
mossi knows his man, PD did the unbelievable too often to be called a fluke, he was called Pele only because his skills were unknown in AFL/VFL before him. Now I hear it's a "daicos" or "daics"....he's changed language to the Australian game, very important.
Haven't read the entire thread but Kouta is a kouta been due to injury and of course the obvious awful club he's played for in the last few years. Bucks would appreciate that with the continued comparison with Essendon/Brisbane players.
He's had more good years than you've had good posts.
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