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honestly no idea. Serong would be a decent get but he isn't a pressing need. We already have 3 inside mids ahead of him, arguably 4 (Oliver, Petracca,Viney and Brayshaw) so he'd be luxury depth.
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Recommitted Kysaiah Pickett [Re-Signed till 2027]
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Serong in for the long term!
Star Fremantle midfielder Caleb Serong has signed a contract extension until 2027
Yep. Hasn't been reported in the Melbourne Media yet AFAIK
Grats to Freo and Serong, fantastic news and Xmas pressie for Dockers fans.
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Short sighted.
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Just my opinion mate, I am taken a known/proven quantity over any of those players from the same draft I mentioned (I think Will Day is a bit overrated tbh)
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Betts didn't average over 1.6 goals until his fifth year. Pickett has done it twice in his first three seasons. From here I think he'll go at a 2 goal a game average until he's 30 plus. Maybe 60 goals a year in his prime, while pinch hitting in the midfield.
The kid is still 2 years off his prime but if he doesn't improve on his average from this year and plays 300 games, he'll kick 500+ goals.
Betts wasn’t playing in a top side in his first 3 years.
Picket has played in a top side, that predominantly plays on the perfect wide open ground for him, in a team with no dominant kf / and a gameplan built for him.
He would never average as many goals in melbs other eras, and he almost certainly would not if he left melb and went to port / freo / west coast.
Certainly at port, with our coach / gameplan / wealth of scoring options he would not have anywhere near the same level of dependency on him nor the opportunities.
Picket has played in a top side, that predominantly plays on the perfect wide open ground for him, in a team with no dominant kf / and a gameplan built for him.
He would never average as many goals in melbs other eras, and he almost certainly would not if he left melb and went to port / freo / west coast.
Certainly at port, with our coach / gameplan / wealth of scoring options he would not have anywhere near the same level of dependency on him nor the opportunities.
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dude, he averages like 10 touches a game and you're making it sound like the whole game plan is built around him
Also we came 5th last year, it's hardly a dominant side. If you can't respect a guy for kicking 81 goals in 2 seasons as a 21 year old then you've just got an agenda and will never be happy. What would he need to do, kick 100 lol
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dude, he averages like 10 touches a game and you're making it sound like the whole game plan is built around him
Also we came 5th last year, it's hardly a dominant side. If you can't respect a guy for kicking 81 goals in 2 seasons as a 21 year old then you've just got an agenda and will never be happy. What would he need to do, kick 100 lol
He might have a point if he was playing as a pseudo full forward but that's Fristch role. He's kicking goals by crumbing and linking up. He'd be a better player if he had some star key forwards to crumb off more often, who would draw multiple defenders. He has practically zero help for his role in the forward line and gets very few cheap goals.
Carlton also averaged over 13.3 goals for 4 eddies first 5 years. Which is more than any of Melbournes last 3 years.
This isn't to say that he's going to be better than Eddie, but he's tracking spectacularly at this age.
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West Coast won't be giving up a top 10 pick for him. We need another tall forward and that's disregarding the fact that we may finish 18th and go for Reid instead.
Ports F1(2024) and Bergman could be involved
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Weightman from the same draft averages more goals a game than Pickett and he is not rated at the same level. I think that's a very simplistic view
Probably because Weightman isn't as 'flashy' and gets under the skin of opposition supporters.
Gun player though.
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Well initially you said he plays for a dominant side. In 2021 yes but last year we came 5th with one of the most dysfunctional forward lines known to man. It's basically Fritsch and a spud named Ben Brown as our key forward who wouldn't know how to create a contest if his life depended on it. Pickett crumbing to Dickson would increase his goal avg imo. And you mention our game plan is built for guys like Pickett when in fact our game plan is built purely on Defence. That's why we scored the same number of goals as Gold Coast this year.
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Weightman is a pretty good player too but he hasn't averaged more goals per game the last two years than Pickett and would have close to half of his goals from playing for free kicks. I know I was just referencing the goals but I'm doing so assuming you understand the difference in style between their games. Weightman is a handy player but has a pretty limited game comparatively.
In the same amount of time he's kicked 23 less goals, averages less metres gained, less assists, less score involvements, less intercepts, less tackles, less tackles inside 50, less clearances, same marks inside 50, less possessions, more turnovers, a lot less pressure acts.
It's Kossie's combination of aerial ability, defensive acts, transition play in addition to his ability to hit the scoreboard is what makes him special.
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Both are guns, but I don't think Kosi or even Weightman have massively exceeded their initial draft selection which was the original comment. If they have its minor.
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Spot on. Kreuuuzeurns Weightman is a gun player but everyone hates the way he plays. A bit like Ginnivan. They're all good players though. For the record, Pickett has played 20 more games also and has averaged more in the last 2 seasons.
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yeah, we can disagree on this. Anyone who puts Rowell or Will bloody Day before either of these guys is simply trying to create an argument though. Also, naming 12 players that you deem better than Pickett in the same draft doesn't allude to his trade value because you're getting the luxury of hand picking any 12 from anywhere. This isn't how drafts work. you don't have the luxury of hindsight in a draft.
Let's look at Pick 12 of the past 10 years, excluding Picketts year and stopping at 2020 because the other guys are still young.
2010: Lucas Cook
2011: Docherty
2012: Kristian Jaksch
2013: Ben Lennon
2014: Corey Ellis
2015: Charlie Curnow
2016: Jy Simpkin
2017: Darcy Fogarty
2018: Zac Butters
2020: Tanner Bruhn
In 10 years, 5 of the guys are absolute spuds. So 50% of the time, pick 12 is nothing. That would be 60% of the time if Tanner Bruhn doesn't make it. So you think that clubs don't know these odds? To suggest that Pickett hasn't improved on his Pick 12 initial draft pick is disrespectful to him. He nets a top 3-5 pick if contracted.
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Fogarty has come good. 1.9 goals a game this year. Kicked 31 in his last 11 games. If he can stay out there, improve a few percent he'll be kicking close to 50-60 a year.
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You can take Rowell and Day out if you'd like. He wouldn't go top 5 in a redraft and there's 3-4 others who have similar or higher ceilings who have shown enough to suggest they'll reach them, in positions more valuable than FP.
If you want to redraft on output three seasons into a career that's fine, but atleast show Weightman some respect. Averages more goals in a lesser side than Kosi and no one is on here claiming he's worth pick 3.
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in the re-draft I go:
1- Warner
2- Sam De Koning
3- Luke Jackson
4- Pickett
5- Tom Green
6- Hayden Young
7- Serong
8- N.Anderson
9- M.Frederick
10- Georgiadis
You can't discredit the Forward pocket position. if you've got a good one they've worth their weight in gold. Midfielders grow on trees mate. Who is Sydneys most dnagerous player? I'd say Papley over dime a dozen midfielders like Mills every day of the week.
5th isn’t exactly shit is it. Melb has been one of the best teams during picketts time there, even if they underperformed last year.
Also, your “dysfunctional forward line” isn’t so much dysfunctional, it lacks a dominant kf, and plays accordingly with a gameplan that gives small speedy small forwards a chance.
Bedford, Neal bullen and spargo returned 28 goals last year in that system.
