Traded Lachie Schultz [Traded to Collingwood for #34 and F1]

[go_the_dockers]

Are Freo really gonna get 19 and 33 for Lachie Schultz???

I am aware of all the intangibles for both sides, but that's a good price. I would have thought 19 and maybe a Future 3rd.

19 becomes 25 in the draft.
Not sure about 33.

You are unlikely to get a player as good as Schultz for either pick.

 

[PieLebo87]

19 becomes 25 in the draft.
Not sure about 33.

You are unlikely to get a player as good as Schultz for either pick.

Why are so many Fremantle supporters acting like this is the first trade in the history of the game where the first rounder is being pushed out due to academy etc. ?

Pick 19 is still pick 19, it’s still Collingwood’s first round pick. Geez I’ve never seen so much commentary from one club’s support base that “19 is 62353” before. You’re not even the first team to have to deal with this. Each club has had to for years.

 

[jakson68]

While Sydney are loading up. Might be good for Ginnivan to get out of Victoria.


19 and Ginnivan > Sydney

Shultz > Collingwood

12 > Freo

The issue freo has with 19 is it ballon’s out to 25. We want something after bids etc to go inside 20. Doesn’t have to be Sydney’s pick, it can be Essendon’s or Saints etc.

Wright has all the work to do as Collingwood are the ones that are offering up 5 for a contracted player. Need to turn 19 into something better.

It is like some Freo fans think they are trading out GAJ.
It is only Lachie Schultz

He will fill a small role for us in the forward line but it isn't like he is a key forward who we are going to set our game around.

He is a "nice to have" but I doubt we would sell the farm for him.

If we got our hands on pick 12, I doubt it would go to you.

 

[Apex36]

We dont know how highly they rate him but given he's been extended already and was pick 19 last year, they probably rate him pretty high. They'd rate him as a top 20 pick which is what most of us (reasonable) ones are saying we want

We had Allan at 12 on our board last year and all reports are the club rates him through the roof. Would have debuted this year of not for an ill timed bout of covid which set him back quite a bit. They wouldn’t have extended his contract so early if they didn’t see him as a long term piece of the midfield puzzle, and they wouldn’t let him go cheaply, so it’s probably best for Freo supporters to drop the idea of getting him at all, let alone along with pick 19 for Schultz.

 

[Cobbler]

It is like some Freo fans think they are trading out GAJ.
It is only Lachie Schultz

He will fill a small role for us in the forward line but it isn't like he is a key forward who we are going to set our game around.

He is a "nice to have" but I doubt we would sell the farm for him.

If we got our hands on pick 12, I doubt it would go to you.

‘Nice to have’ = 5 year contract

I hope we ask the world.

Pies are in a window. They could possibly win another flag. Schultz won’t be the ‘difference’. You clearly won a flag without him.

The question is… if you chased him, if he’s been offered 5 years, if he’s seen as a clear best 22 then is 2 top picks worth the price to acquire and strengthen flag aspirations?

I see it as using 2 top picks to strengthen flag for 2024. It’s incredibly doubtful any player with your 1st is walking in and doing what Schultz does.

So, yeah I’m asking for your first this year and next. If not offered we keep him and you either win another flag without, which you’d be capable of or you don’t.

BUT I’d bet my life that your firsts aren’t contributing this year… certainly next years first ain’t contributing.

See Ed Allan as an example.

 

[FreoFan85]

It is like some Freo fans think they are trading out GAJ.
It is only Lachie Schultz

He will fill a small role for us in the forward line but it isn't like he is a key forward who we are going to set our game around.

He is a "nice to have" but I doubt we would sell the farm for him.

If we got our hands on pick 12, I doubt it would go to you.

It is more to do with the circumstances than anything. He is contracted and we will get approximately pick 19 or so next year regardless.

We have already traded 23 out of this draft to load up for next year and if we didn’t anticipate this we would not want to be back in a similar position.

So in order to make it worthwhile we would need the 19 and lots of gravy. Whether this be a future 1st with stuff coming back, or a pick closer to 14 etc

Do we think Schultz is worth two first rounders… no however there are first rounders like 1-10 and then there are first rounders like 18 with significant academies and father sons pushing it back.

You only need to look at how much more valuable pick 1 is then pick 2. Both first rounders…

 

[Purple Suit]

It is like some Freo fans think they are trading out GAJ.
It is only Lachie Schultz

He will fill a small role for us in the forward line but it isn't like he is a key forward who we are going to set our game around.

He is a "nice to have" but I doubt we would sell the farm for him.

If we got our hands on pick 12, I doubt it would go to you.

You say that now but this deal has all the vibes of the Papley to Carlton one a few years ago where Carlton wouldn't stump up pick 9 and offerred a late first instead. No deal and 12 months later it never happened while Papley got better.

For Reference - Carlton used pick 9 to bid on Henry, Green and then on traded it to GC who picked up Flanders. Carlton ended up with Brodie Kemp & Sam Philip instead and have been crying out for a small forward since then (a few looking ok now).

Shultz is getting better each year and in his prime while you're in your window. You have to pay overs if you want him.

 

[jakson68]

‘Nice to have’ = 5 year contract

I hope we ask the world.

Pies are in a window. They could possibly win another flag. Schultz won’t be the ‘difference’. You clearly won a flag without him.

The question is… if you chased him, if he’s been offered 5 years, if he’s seen as a clear best 22 then is 2 top picks worth the price to acquire and strengthen flag aspirations?

I see it as using 2 top picks to strengthen flag for 2024. It’s incredibly doubtful any player with your 1st is walking in and doing what Schultz does.

So, yeah I’m asking for your first this year and next. If not offered we keep him and you either win another flag without, which you’d be capable of or you don’t.

BUT I’d bet my life that your firsts aren’t contributing this year… certainly next years first ain’t contributing.

See Ed Allan as an example.

It isn't a 5 year contract, it is 4, with a trigger if all goes well.

I would be happy to give our first this year, as we already have youth we need to get games into, so dont see instant value in our first pick.
I would even give you pick 33 if it were up to me, seems overs but again, we have little use for it.

There is no way that Shultz is worth two first round picks and I am sure Collingwood will not give next years first away.

If GW is still drunk from our premiership glory and does offer this, you know something else will be coming back.

However, again I cant see two first round picks being offered.

Also, just as an aside, It doesn't matter what you as a fan want and demand.
People with more stripes than us will work this out.

 

[jakson68]

You say that now but this deal has all the vibes of the Papley to Carlton one a few years ago where Carlton wouldn't stump up pick 9 and offerred a late first instead. No deal and 12 months later it never happened while Papley got better.

Shultz is getting better each year and in his prime while you're in your window. You have to pay overs if you want him.

Agree with this.
And our first pick and 33 is overs, so we are in agreeance .

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

‘Nice to have’ = 5 year contract

I hope we ask the world.

Pies are in a window. They could possibly win another flag. Schultz won’t be the ‘difference’. You clearly won a flag without him.

The question is… if you chased him, if he’s been offered 5 years, if he’s seen as a clear best 22 then is 2 top picks worth the price to acquire and strengthen flag aspirations?

I see it as using 2 top picks to strengthen flag for 2024. It’s incredibly doubtful any player with your 1st is walking in and doing what Schultz does.

So, yeah I’m asking for your first this year and next. If not offered we keep him and you either win another flag without, which you’d be capable of or you don’t.

BUT I’d bet my life that your firsts aren’t contributing this year… certainly next years first ain’t contributing.

See Ed Allan as an example.

picks in the early 20's average about 90 games played. Schultz has a similar amount of games in him maybe a bit more if he doesn't get any injuries. There is a chance that something happens to Schultz as well, there are no guarantees in this game. If we give you pick 19 and pick 33 that gets you on average 2 players who average about 170 games played between them and a chance to develop them for when you are back in the window. Thats overs which is what you will get. Schultz is a now player and unfortunately Freo is not a now team. Its going to be at least 3-4 years before they are back in contention.

 

[Basil brush]

This whole situation feels like pies fans are “he is a very good player but nowhere near a necessity” (yes I know our club offered a 4/5 year deal, where freo fans are “this guy is a gun and we want very good compensation”.

It is an interesting scenario and I would love to be a fly on the wall in the talks between wright and bell.

I suppose we will see when the deal is done, or not done.

 

[Babylove]

I feel like the deal will wind up being 19 + 33 for Schultz plus a lesser pick (possibly a future pick). That’s the way these sort of deals usually wind up going.

 

[Cobbler]

It isn't a 5 year contract, it is 4, with a trigger if all goes well.

I would be happy to give our first this year, as we already have youth we need to get games into, so dont see instant value in our first pick.
I would even give you pick 33 if it were up to me, seems overs but again, we have little use for it.

There is no way that Shultz is worth two first round picks and I am sure Collingwood will not give next years first away.

If GW is still drunk from our premiership glory and does offer this, you know something else will be coming back.

However, again I cant see two first round picks being offered.

Also, just as an aside, It doesn't matter what you as a fan want and demand.
People with more stripes than us will work this out.

May as well shut down the forum then?

Obviously 99% of posters are in the ‘discussion’. Obviously 99% of us have no bearing on what will be the outcome.

You basically answered how many Freo fans feel with;

You’ll offer a first and throw in 33 because you don’t need it.

That’s the point I’m making. You don’t ‘need’ the firsts in this immediate window. So pay up.


What he’s worth and what it’ll take are 2 completely separate issues.

All things being equal your first is a great first offer, but the basics of economics suggests he’s clearly in demand and we’re a possible seller not a desperate one.

Thing of something in your him that you ‘treasure’. Are you selling it for market price??

 

[Alfonz]

Collingwood should think of the picks they give us as an investment. The more the merrier. We can draft some kids and develop them into guns, and then Collingwood can steal them back in 3 years time. Give us some more picks and do it all over again.

It isn't a 5 year contract, it is 4, with a trigger if all goes well.

I would be happy to give our first this year, as we already have youth we need to get games into, so dont see instant value in our first pick.
I would even give you pick 33 if it were up to me, seems overs but again, we have little use for it.

There is no way that Shultz is worth two first round picks and I am sure Collingwood will not give next years first away.

If GW is still drunk from our premiership glory and does offer this, you know something else will be coming back.

However, again I cant see two first round picks being offered.

Also, just as an aside, It doesn't matter what you as a fan want and demand.
People with more stripes than us will work this out.

Collingwood are the premiers and premiership favourites. These are two picks in the 20 range. Calling them "2 x first rounders" is misleading. First round picks are not equal and 2 x firsts from the Pies is about the same as 2 x seconds from North.

 

[Cobbler]

picks in the early 20's average about 90 games played. Schultz has a similar amount of games in him maybe a bit more if he doesn't get any injuries. There is a chance that something happens to Schultz as well, there are no guarantees in this game. If we give you pick 19 and pick 33 that gets you on average 2 players who average about 170 games played between them and a chance to develop them for when you are back in the window. Thats overs which is what you will get. Schultz is a now player and unfortunately Freo is not a now team. Its going to be at least 3-4 years before they are back in contention.

Yeah I don’t disagree with that at all.

Is the ‘now’ for you guys worth more than the ‘later’ for us?

Honestly, if he chose… Bombers and they offered pick ~ 19 I’d say fair enough… about the best we could expect.

He’s going to the premiers, with no discussions with any other team. No ‘open’ market because he’s contracted.

Lured into a team likely to contend again.

And you want to offer ‘fair’?

Nah, we ask for your substantial overs.

We may or may not get it but we shouldn’t accept ‘fair’ or ‘slight overs’

Schultz is an actual gun. 30+ goals in Freo’s forward line is like 178 in any other teams.

 

[Purple Suit]

I feel like the deal will wind up being 19 + 33 for Schultz plus a lesser pick (possibly a future pick). That’s the way these sort of deals usually wind up going.

Would you take that for Bobby Hill? They both kicked the same amount of goals last year, although Shultz gets more of the ball and tackles more.

 

[Cobbler]

I feel like the deal will wind up being 19 + 33 for Schultz plus a lesser pick (possibly a future pick). That’s the way these sort of deals usually wind up going.

Probably.

Some future exchanges or back of draft picks swaps in favour of whatever team states the longest.

I’ll be disappointed with whatever is offered.

 

[Roogene]

Would you take that for Bobby Hill? They both kicked the same amount of goals last year, although Shultz gets more of the ball and tackles more.

Bobby Hill was instrumental in winning a flag, what's Shultz done?

 

[jakson68]

May as well shut down the forum then?

Obviously 99% of posters are in the ‘discussion’. Obviously 99% of us have no bearing on what will be the outcome.

You basically answered how many Freo fans feel with;

You’ll offer a first and throw in 33 because you don’t need it.

That’s the point I’m making. You don’t ‘need’ the firsts in this immediate window. So pay up.


What he’s worth and what it’ll take are 2 completely separate issues.

All things being equal your first is a great first offer, but the basics of economics suggests he’s clearly in demand and we’re a possible seller not a desperate one.

Thing of something in your him that you ‘treasure’. Are you selling it for market price??

We don't need firsts this year, I dare say we may have plans of what we will do with our first next year.

 

[Daniel_Rich]

Back when the Ginnivan media hype was in full swing I had a Pies supporting mate tell me he was a "future superstar". Took him only a handful of games to understand how much better Bobby Hill was.

The Pies recruiting team knows what they're doing and the Schultz story is going to go the same way, once he's playing for them and they can see his workrate and skillset week-in, week-out, they'll understand why Freo fans are going to be pissed off with whatever trade goes through.

 

[Cobbler]

We don't need firsts this year, I dare say we may have plans of what we will do with our first next year.

Pretty sure we had plans to keep and extend Schultz.

Can’t have your cake and eat it too!

 

[Purple Suit]

Bobby Hill was instrumental in winning a flag, what's Shultz done?

He has a Derby medal. Has big games on his CV while only playing 2 finals so far.

Not sure why you want him. Clearly not very good without a norm smith.

 

[dogs105]

It is like some Freo fans think they are trading out GAJ.
It is only Lachie Schultz

He will fill a small role for us in the forward line but it isn't like he is a key forward who we are going to set our game around.

He is a "nice to have" but I doubt we would sell the farm for him.

If we got our hands on pick 12, I doubt it would go to you.

Schultz is a gun

 

[jakson68]

Collingwood should think of the picks they give us as an investment. The more the merrier. We can draft some kids and develop them into guns, and then Collingwood can steal them back in 3 years time. Give us some more picks and do it all over again.


Collingwood are the premiers and premiership favourites. These are two picks in the 20 range. Calling them "2 x first rounders" is misleading. First round picks are not equal and 2 x firsts from the Pies is about the same as 2 x seconds from North.

A first round pick, is a first round pick .
Its not misleading, it is exactly that!

A Ferrari (Daicos) is a car, a 78 Corolla is also a car.

Because it isn't the same as a Ferrari, I cant then just call it a bus can I, as it is a car.

The problem is you want us to pay a Ferrari price, for a Corolla.
Admittedly this corolla has nice rims and 12 months rego, so we will throw in 33 also.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Bobby Hill was instrumental in winning a flag, what's Shultz done?

God that's a stupid argument. Any person in there right mind knows Schulz is a better player currently than Bobby Hill. 1 game 3 weeks ago doesn't change that.