Roast Lewis jetta- what to do

[SBD Gonzalez]

I said this in the Reid thread and it applies to Jetta as well IMO - you can't just drop people when they are confidence players. He will not improve by playing reserves. His confidence will be shot and even if he makes it back to seniors, he will be shitting himself and scared of making mistakes. We see it with Armstrong - unfortunately his talent doesn't guarantee him a seniors spot so he bounces back and forward and looks constantly nervous. If we think a player of that type is good enough we just need to play them in the seniors and use other things to get the best out of them.

Guys like Hannebury & Parker are the types that you drop (theoretically of course). They will get pissed off and when they make it back to seniors they will give their all - because they are confident by nature.

So with Jetta, he is obviously good enough to be in our best 22 so we need to change things to get the best out of him - not drop him. Play him permanently as a forward - get him to use his pace to lead up the ground. Will also stop other teams using a midfield tagger and closing down his space. Perhaps get him onto a half back flank - play Shaw's role. Get him into space and let him run.

What we actually seem to be doing is getting him to play more inside and it's not working. It kind of goes against the way we play but get him away from the contest - I don't want to see him in a pack of 15 players trying to get his hands on it - I want him 30m ahead or behind the contest so he can use his pace if the ball gets to him.

Basically, we need to do whatever makes us a better side and I don't think dropping him is it.

Maybe the coaching staff know this full well, and what we're seeing now is a temporary situation.

If they see him, as we do, as an outside receiver but, importantly, still perceive he needs to harden up, particularly in regards to his defensive pressure, it's not inconceivable that they're throwing him into the boiler room a little more, and further into season he will revert to his regular role.

Some lessons can only be learned on match day, and I think we sometimes overlook the fact that coaching staff treat individual games, or even periods of the season, as part of a larger picture. Who's leading the goal kicking tally is of little concern to them, nor is the crowd-pleasing drawcard of his fabulous running, much as we all love it and for all the great vibe it's bestowed on the Swans' already good public image.

It might also have the added bonus of suckering oppositions into thinking he's been neutralised, which could be devo for them when he later reverts to what he does best.

Just a theory.

 

[Superstar swan]

I like the idea of him playing forward and roaming in and out of the 50. With the slingshot footy we get going , it creates a lot of space on the rebound. He will make defenders very nervous down there because he's a chance from anywhere inside 55 so u have I be in him and can't let him get easy kicks. His kicking is excellent and obviously his speed will scare the shit out of most defenders

 

[Numbered Days]

Maybe the coaching staff know this full well, and what we're seeing now is a temporary situation.

If they see him, as we do, as an outside receiver but, importantly, still perceive he needs to harden up, particularly in regards to his defensive pressure, it's not inconceivable that they're throwing him into the boiler room a little more, and further into season he will revert to his regular role.

Some lessons can only be learned on match day, and I think we sometimes overlook the fact that coaching staff treat individual games, or even periods of the season, as part of a larger picture. Who's leading the goal kicking tally is of little concern to them, nor is the crowd-pleasing drawcard of his fabulous running, much as we all love it and for all the great vibe it's bestowed on the Swans' already good public image.

It might also have the added bonus of suckering oppositions into thinking he's been neutralised, which could be devo for them when he later reverts to what he does best.

Just a theory.

That's a good theory and you could be right.

It comes down to doing what we need to do to win us another flag. If the coaches see that is helping long term then it's exactly what we should do.

A Lewis Jetta playing well gets us closer to winning a flag. Does dropping him get us closer to winning a flag? IMO no - unless he is such a liability that we are losing games that threaten a top 4 spot and replacing him with someone else would see us win those games. So, until that's the case we work on whatever the problem is - because that's what gets us closer to winning another flag.

Again, everything we do should be done with a focus on winning another flag - we shouldn't "punish" players for poor performance, promote someone from the reserves just because a seniors player is not performing, or anything similar. We should do what gives us the best chance of winning another flag. At the moment, that is keeping Jetta in the seniors and trying to sought out his form issues. If down the track we are struggling, Jetta is still out of form and someone like Mitchell is ready to go then maybe we make the change ... but only because it gets us closer to winning another flag.

Sorry to sound like a broken record but it's all that matters and it's why clubs like us and Geelong have been successful of late whereas others seem to be going nowhere.

 

[CAS79]

Jetta needs to work on a few things, but the most important is finding space. Watching the way teams are manning up on him at moment they've got smarter. They make sure Jetta is between them and congestion or the boundry line. We have to work with Jetta to make sure doesn't get stagnate when the ball does, make sure he is working off the ball and having his opponent 2nd guess where he is going, sizing up where the pace is and been on the outside of the fringe before his opponent does. Getting Hanners or Jack to crunch his tag, legally, in the solar plexus early in a quarter wouldn't go astray either.

 

[Keyter]

good points. We shall see what he selects but Horse didnt seem to enthralled about Armstrong and Rampe performance. My guess it was more to do with Armstrong. I think he's worth persisting with but does get easily pushed off the ball and his tackles are also swatted away too easily.

With Jetta having similar issues (although he has certainly improved) I dont think we can afford to have both in the starting 21. So this week if Horse keeps Armstrong or Rampe, I would use Jetta as a sub. It helped him in 2011 to get his confidence back, i think it can work again.

Some big matches coming up and we need to get to the break with 7 - 9 wins. Once we return from the bye with Tippet, we will be a much different side, barring injurys of course.

 

[Punts]

good points. We shall see what he selects but Horse didnt seem to enthralled about Armstrong and Rampe performance. My guess it wmore to do with Armstrong. I think he's worth persisting with but does get easily pushed off the ball and his tackles are also swatted away too easily.

With Jetta having similar issues (although he has certainly improved) I dont think we can afford to have both in the starting 21. So this week if Horse keeps Armstrong or Rampe, I would use Jetta as a sub. It helped him in 2011 to get his confidence back, i think it can work again.

Some big matches coming up and we need to get to the break with 7 - 9 wins. Once we return from the bye with Tippet, we will be a much different side, barring injurys of course.

Agree i think we will have to have won 9 games by the half way point to make top 4 with the big games coming pies MCG hawks MCG bombers SCG dockers SCG that might not be the case with our current form we really should have not droped fridays game this week is no certain st kilda allways play good againts us

 

[VanBerlo=God]

What we actually seem to be doing is getting him to play more inside and it's not working. It kind of goes against the way we play but get him away from the contest - I don't want to see him in a pack of 15 players trying to get his hands on it - I want him 30m ahead or behind the contest so he can use his pace if the ball gets to him.

He's no good as an inside midfielder, and I'm not sure why the coaching staff wanted him to play closer to the pack. Maybe they want him there as a quick outlet to move the ball backwards and sideways. He's too close to the pack and too easily tackled in that position.

He should be at least 3-5 metres further away so he can break the lines and pump the ball forward over any zonal set up.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

Jetta does two things well.

1. Run and carry.
2. Run and kick.

Notice the common theme there? If he isn't running, he's a deadset liability.

Has he run this year at all? Not that I've seen.

I'd actually like to see him taking the kick outs. Play on and pump it over the press. At least he'll be using his skills to best effect. At the moment. We're get nothing from him.

 

[Punts]

Jetta does two things well.

1. Run and carry.
2. Run and kick.

Notice the common theme there? If he isn't running, he's a deadset liability.

Has he run this year at all? Not that I've seen.

I'd actually like to see him taking the kick outs. Play on and pump it over the press. At least he'll be using his skills to best effect. At the moment. We're get nothing from him.

How long do u really think they will let it go for

 

[db swannie]

Jetta does two things well.

1. Run and carry.
2. Run and kick.

Notice the common theme there? If he isn't running, he's a deadset liability.

Has he run this year at all? Not that I've seen.

I'd actually like to see him taking the kick outs. Play on and pump it over the press. At least he'll be using his skills to best effect. At the moment. We're get nothing from him.

I've never thought of that, but it could be a good idea. He's a very accurate and long kick. You get a gold star CC, well done.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Jetta does two things well.

1. Run and carry.
2. Run and kick.

Notice the common theme there? If he isn't running, he's a deadset liability.

Has he run this year at all? Not that I've seen.

I'd actually like to see him taking the kick outs. Play on and pump it over the press. At least he'll be using his skills to best effect. At the moment. We're get nothing from him.

But his defensive game is bog ordinary. He'd be a liability down back.

Or would you have him on the wing and just trotting down to the goal square to take each kickout?

I mean, the guy can sure run, so he'd get back down there quicker than anyone else, but..

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

But his defensive game is bog ordinary. He'd be a liability down back.

Or would you have him on the wing and just trotting down to the goal square to take each kickout?

I mean, the guy can sure run, so he'd get back down there quicker than anyone else, but..

Loose man in defence. No accountability whatsoever.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

But his defensive game is bog ordinary. He'd be a liability down back.

Or would you have him on the wing and just trotting down to the goal square to take each kickout?

I mean, the guy can sure run, so he'd get back down there quicker than anyone else, but..

He get's a free shot. He can kick and he can run. Let's get the ball into his hands and let him work his stuff.

 

[S120]

He's not defensively aware enough to be loose man in defence. To be loose man, you not only have to be able to have an influence with the ball in hand but also place yourself smartly and correctly in space and go up in contests to spoil the ball so as to stop thrusts forward by the opposition. Jetta could certainly do the former if given a bit of space (as ever) but he would have no hope of doing the latter.

And besides, if Jetta went behind the ball, he wouldn't be allowed to run around by himself. Opposition coaches are too aware of how damaging he can be now to let him go anywhere on the field without a man stood next to him.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

How long do u really think they will let it go for

That's the point. they'll need to try something else on him.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

He's not defensively aware enough to be loose man in defence. To be loose man, you not only have to be able to have an influence with the ball in hand but also place yourself smartly and correctly in space and go up in contests to spoil the ball so as to stop thrusts forward by the opposition. Jetta could certainly do the former if given a bit of space (as ever) but he would have no hope of doing the latter.

And besides, if Jetta went behind the ball, he wouldn't be allowed to run around by himself. Opposition coaches are too aware of how damaging he can be now to let him go anywhere on the field without a man stood next to him.

"Damaging" is a 80m player. Run and carry then kick long. If he does it into the fwd line, great. But if he's doing it from Full or Half back, good enough. At least he's doing something.

 

[S120]

All true, but a few things. Firstly, he wouldn't be allowed to play as the loose man by the opposition. He just wouldn't. Secondly, I don't think we'd want him to be as he wouldn't know where to position himself as well as, say, Mattner or even ROK (who was used there last year). Thirdly, if he was stationed across half back with an opponent this week, he'd get dragged back to the goal square straight away in order to exploit his defensive inexperience.

 

[stimpy870]

Did anyone see what Chris Yarran did to west coast on the weekend?? thats what we need jetta to start doing. Playing that outside mid and run and carry the balls and work it into space with quick handballs, Carlton worked the ball quickly out of packs and put yarran goalside of his opponent and he just ran. Jettas problem imo from watching the swans game was he was getting dragged out to the wings and wasnt working the corridoor which meant when he did get the ball or got near it, it was on the wing and along way from home.

 

[swansfan51]

Why do people object to Jetta playing in defence when they're fine with Armstrong doing it? Jetta makes more tackles and his defensive accountability can't be any worse, and his disposal is better which suggests less turnovers in a dangerous area of the ground. I'm not saying he should be played in defence but it is a massive double standard.

 

[Syd]

Why do people object to Jetta playing in defence when they're fine with Armstrong doing it? Jetta makes more tackles and his defensive accountability can't be any worse, and his disposal is better which suggests less turnovers in a dangerous area of the ground. I'm not saying he should be played in defence but it is a massive double standard.

I've seen no evidence to support this

 

[S120]

Why do people object to Jetta playing in defence when they're fine with Armstrong doing it? Jetta makes more tackles and his defensive accountability can't be any worse, and his disposal is better which suggests less turnovers in a dangerous area of the ground. I'm not saying he should be played in defence but it is a massive double standard.

Well firstly comparing Jetta's tackling rate to Armstrong's is just not appropriate if we're trying to compare defensive reliability. Completely different parts of the ground and midfielders make more tackles than defenders do in general.

Secondly, I don't think Jetta's defensive accountability (in defence exclusively I mean) can't be any worse than Armstrong's at all. I just wouldn't back Jetta's (at times) cautious ways of going at the ball and spindly body over Armstrong, who though not big at all, is clearly stronger. And, really, I haven't seen a hell of a lot wrong with what Armstrong has done defensively over the last few weeks.

The disposal issue is obvious. Jetta's elite disposal is superior to Armstrong's but you know he'd be getting clamped down on wherever he goes right now.

 

[Swanee]

It would seem we're not winning anywhere near as many clearances as we did last year. Everyone has to be accountable to someone and I suspect Jets is much more on the back foot post clearance. Combining that defensive mindset with the extra attention he's getting, it contributing to a loss of confidence. He doesn't know when to attack when he's constantly looking to defend (albeit it not that well).

Giving him a bake isn't going to work, he just needs to work with coaching staff to identify smaller achievable targets, the build up from there. Don't forget, this is exactly like he was in 2011. He just needed to learn the new way to play. Patience all.

It should be made plain and simple for him, attack when we have the ball, defend when they have it! Nothing more simple.

 

[RUNVS]

Taking the kickouts could be a really good thing for Jetta as he can easily run around his opponent, he is a very long kick and typically speaking a very good decision maker as well.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

I think it would be a good idea to have him kick / run the ball out of defence a few times a game, particularly with Shaw out of the side. Would contribute to the team and also get his hands on the ball in the process. Having a couple runs in the back half could also help build his confidence. I wouldn't particularly want him in defence for the whole match though

 

[Superstar swan]

I think it would be a good idea to have him kick / run the ball out of defence a few times a game, particularly with Shaw out of the side. Would contribute to the team and also get his hands on the ball in the process. Having a couple runs in the back half could also help build his confidence. I wouldn't particularly want him in defence for the whole match though

Sounds like a good option, nothing like taking a few bounces and getting a few more possessions to get a confidence boost