Liam Jurrah found not guilty

[Demonheart]

Good for him, let's hope that he can now get all his other issues under control and get onto the best path for him and his family. I'm also pretty proud of how the MFC stood by him and continued to support him even after he went to Adelaide to be with his family and tried out to play with Port. Just another example of how we're gradually improving as a club.

As for Jurrah coming back to the AFL, well, it's up to him. He'll have to work bloody hard to just get a chance to be drafted again.

 

[Bluelegs]

Fevola
Carlton
- 2001 attempted theft, not charged, resolved via mediation. $8,000 club fine.
- 2004 assault (Crown Casino), not charged, resolved via mediation. 1 week club suspension.
- 2008 public nuisance for urinating in public (nightclub), not charged, resolved via mediation, $10,000 club fine, removal from club leadership and
- 2009 drunk and disorderly in a public place (Crown Casino), no charge due to police bungling up investigation, $10,000 club suspension and removal from TFS. Traded to Brisbane.

Australia
- 2006 assault (Northern Ireland), not charged, resolved via mediation. Removed from tour.

Brisbane
- 2010 defamation charges (Lara Bingle), investigated, but no charges due to lack of evidence.
- 2010 indecent exposure, investigated, but no charges due to lack of evidence.
- 2011 public nuisance and obstructing police, charged and bailed, contract terminated by Brisbane.

Jurrah
- 2012 assault (Alice Springs), charged, cleared by court of law.

But rant on fool.

While there is a good point in this post Jurrah's drink driving incident and failure to turn up in court should be noted. His record is still dwarfed by fevola's though.

 

[MUYB]

Will be a Collingwood premiership player in no time. Cheers Melbourne! Enjoy our second rate forward...

I think you're confused, he's not going to prison.

 

[sunshine_saint]

I hope Liam gets back in the AFL next year.
I think he will.

 

[fishardansin]

It's cool, I still find bad jokes from movies such as The Naked Gun hilarious.

Drebin: What are his chances Doc? ( After Nordberg had been shot multiple times & is in hospital)
Doctor: He's 50/50, although there's only a 5% chance of that.

Not one man on the force will rest until we the men responsible for this behind bars. Now lets get a bite to eat.

 

[fishardansin]

Regards the actual thread I bloody hope that Liam gets back to the AFL. He'll have to do his pennants for drink driving though and I'm guessing that no one will pick him up until he shows total commitment for the next preseason and then look at drafting him at the end of 2014. Might be an outside chance of a rookie selection, but I'm assuming he'll be pretty crap this year as it's unlikely that he'll have had a decent preseason or he'll be in the right head space.

As a man who has raised 6 Warlpiri kids and had a kid from Lajamanu board with me in Darwin and in Melbourne I would be wrapped if the club could trade for Liam Patrick at the end of the year and then rookie Liam Jurrah. It would be great to have the Warlpiri version of Carey and Jackovich playing for the bombers and living near each other and playing/training together should get the best out of both of them.

 

[Brown Bottle]

For which he has been found not guilty.

This point seems to be lost in this discussion

 

[Brown Bottle]

While there is a good point in this post Jurrah's drink driving incident and failure to turn up in court should be noted. His record is still dwarfed by fevola's though.

Jurrah's misdemeanours have all occurred while away from the club environment, and in time of personal turmoil. I'd go so far as to suggest that being back in the club environment would be good for him on a personal level, as it seemed it was for Cuz when we took him on.

 

[Brown Bottle]

Detail please exactly what previous charges Messrs Fevola, Lovett and Cousins ever faced.

Start with Fevola ( from recollection no legal charges), Lovett ( from recollection a restraining order matter besides the rape charge) and Cousins ( leaving his car and possession of some drugs ( which case did not even get to trial). Any of them charged with offences in riot situation or relating to the use of a weapon.

Please correct me if I forgot one or two.

As for undocumented stories the same could be said for Jurrah as well as the 3 players I have named.

As for St Kilda their excuses for sacking Lovett were tripe and that is why they came to a settlement with Lovett.

I'm not focusing on Lovett as his history is less clear to me. Another poster has been kind enough to fill in the blanks for Fevola. Do you think that Ben's documentary was the first time people in the AFL became aware of his ongoing problems with recreational drugs? The AFL and/or the club had no choice but to act, surely?

Now I know you're not going to change your opinion, but if you honestly can't see the difference between Jurrah and Fev/Cousins then there's little point in continuing this discussion.

Now let's play devil's advocate for a moment. you can pick up a cleanskin delistee or you can pick up a bloke who has shown a penchant for intoxication which gets him into legal trouble, who panics and misses court hearings and who if he goes back "home" might get into trouble again and if he does will drag your club through the mud again. Throw in that you want to pay that player 250K + . I know which one I would choose.

And I see there has been little challenge that Jurrah and Mifsud are responsible for some aboriginal players not being drafted this year ( even if they were said to be skilled). They too can thank Jurrah for their continuing to play in state leagues.

You blame Jurrah and Mifsud. I blame people like you. Managing players is like managing people in the workplace - everyone is unique and requires a different management style. Sure, some of the indigenous kids from remote communities will find it harder to move to Melbourne than a kid from metro Perth / Adelaide, but for us (the football public) to be denied their talents because small-minded people will leap to conclusions based upon one (unproven) incident says a lot more about the decision making process than the player.

 

[Balance]

The whole AFl is a circus, it would be good if Jurrah comes back to play and does whatever, adds to the circus atmosphere.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Officially slightly annoyed.

Melbourne should get comp'd if he ends up at any other club, we put up and took all the bad press for him to walk out on us. Port were all too happy to try and jump on him when we had to cut him loose even though it was arguable if we wanted to.

Gotta love Melbourne supporters. Your team gets away with tanking and you have the audacity to ask for further preferential treatment from the AFL.

 

[Hamali]

Not guilty, but he might still be punished by playing for Melbourne again.

 

[Forward Press]

Gotta love Melbourne supporters. Your team gets away with tanking and you have the audacity to ask for further preferential treatment from the AFL.

Not guilty, but he might still be punished by playing for Melbourne again.

From the first page of this thread:

I probably don't need to remind posters that although a thread about Jurrah's trial will naturally involve discussion of how Melbourne FC dealt with it, this does not justify personal attacks and insults or give an open licence to sink the boots into Melbourne. Thanks.

 

[Bluelegs]

Jurrah's misdemeanours have all occurred while away from the club environment, and in time of personal turmoil. I'd go so far as to suggest that being back in the club environment would be good for him on a personal level, as it seemed it was for Cuz when we took him on.

Agree with this, the structure and club environment even with the allegedly terrible culture of Melbourne gave his life enough structure to keep him on the straight and narrow.

 

[Ando727]

That is the lasting legacy of Liam Jurrah and how his situation was handled by Melbourne and the AFL.

I don't actually want him back, but MFC stood by Jurrah more than any club has stood by any player. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

I don't actually want him back, but MFC stood by Jurrah more than any club has stood by any player. You have no idea what you are talking about.

This. So this.

Melbourne has, for the entire time, stood by Liam Jurrah throughout it all. We even sent officials up to Darwin to support him during the trial, and we supported him when he decided that he needed to be close to his family back in Adelaide.

Any suggestions that we handled this situation poorly is outrageous and completely wrong.

 

[royals1922]

Fevola
Carlton
- 2001 attempted theft, not charged, resolved via mediation. $8,000 club fine.
No charge, no weapon and no hearing
- 2004 assault (Crown Casino), not charged, resolved via mediation. 1 week club suspension.
No charge, no weapon and no hearing
- 2008 public nuisance for urinating in public (nightclub), not charged, resolved via mediation, $10,000 club fine, removal from club leadership and
See above
- 2009 drunk and disorderly in a public place (Crown Casino), no charge due to police bungling up investigation, $10,000 club suspension and removal from TFS. Traded to Brisbane.

See above

Australia
- 2006 assault (Northern Ireland), not charged, resolved via mediation. Removed from tour.
See above
Brisbane
- 2010 defamation charges (Lara Bingle), investigated, but no charges due to lack of evidence.
Do you know what you are talking about? Seriously do you? Name me the charge. Please I'm waiting.
- 2010 indecent exposure, investigated, but no charges due to lack of evidence.
See above, suspicions at the time that the complainant was wacko and the police filed it away under wacko complainant and forgot about it.
- 2011 public nuisance and obstructing police, charged and bailed, contract terminated by Brisbane.
See above - and paid out for wrongful termination- again you know nothing about what you talk about

Jurrah
- 2012 assault with a machete(Alice Springs), charged, cleared by court of law.

But rant on fool.

Okay so what was Fevola charged with.

Was he charged with anything relating to the use of weapons. I have annotated your list for you.

Your list only illustrates the correctness of my point. As does the failure of anyone to prove to me what Cousins was charged with. Because no one can point to me exactly what Fevola did. Lots of garbage about charges that went nowhere and club suspensions but hard charges .....

All I am reading is PC garbage backed up by logic about other players and rumours that would make even Demetriou's comments about tanking sound reasonable.

Notice also how Port did not draft him even when he was training them- that speaks louder than any words. Port were desperate for players and even then said no dice.

And I stand by what I said earlier- Mifsud and Jurrah cost a number of aboriginal draftees a spot on lists because few teams ever want to be in a position Melbourne were last year vis-a-vis Jurrah and Mifsud.

 

[bing181]

Not one of the 12 jurors who sat through a week of testimony and cross-examination thinks that Jurrah was guilty ... but you obviously still do.

How anyone can actually get to where you are with the information and facts available is nothing short of mind-boggling. Incredible.

(PS. You should do your homework on "wrongful termination" and what it actually means. BTW, Fevola pleaded guilty to the 2011 public nuisance and obstructing police charge.)

 

[Goodvibes]

Okay so what was Fevola charged with.

Was he charged with anything relating to the use of weapons. I have annotated your list for you.

Your list only illustrates the correctness of my point. As does the failure of anyone to prove to me what Cousins was charged with. Because no one can point to me exactly what Fevola did. Lots of garbage about charges that went nowhere and club suspensions but hard charges .....
.

You know you've been on bigfooty too long when you start defending Brendan Fevola just to try and score a cheap point in yet another tedious, chest-beating argument.

 

[Tulip]

Just because Carlton and St Kilda prematurely got rid their boys, doesn't mean we have to. (prematurely=before trial, or comparative).

 

[kaysee]

Okay so what was Fevola charged with.

Was he charged with anything relating to the use of weapons. I have annotated your list for you.

What, are you a parrot? I listed the potential charges and the outcomes of those including the non charges.

Most of his misdemeanors were resolved through mediation with Fevola's employers convincing the victims not to press charges (even through they had the right to do so).

As a result of this Fevola recieved:

- $28,000 worth of fines.
- 2 separate club suspensions.
- removal from a national representative team and tour.
- a demotion.
- sacked by 2 club employers
- sacked by a entertainment employer
- charged and bailed for being a public nuisance and obstructing police.

...
Because no one can point to me exactly what Fevola did. Lots of garbage about charges that went nowhere and club suspensions but hard charges .....

Qualifying your position now? Moving the goalposts? So anyone who is charged is guilty? Is that the criteria?

royals1922 in charge of the kanagaroo court?

Get off the turps/weed/blow.

Jurrah was charged because a number of people had an axe to grind (just like you) and pressed charges. The charges were presented before a court of Australia, all evidence was presented before the judge and jury, the charges were dismissed, and Liam Jurrah was not guilty of assault (with or without a machete).

Maybe you don't trust Australia's legal system, maybe you've been wronged before, maybe you're simply high, or maybe you so blinded by your personal bias that it doesn't matter what anyone says.

Notice also how Port did not draft him even when he was training them- that speaks louder than any words. Port were desperate for players and even then said no dice.

You know SFA about PAFC and the work they do with assisting the indigenous community (both metro and country).

And I stand by what I said earlier- Mifsud and Jurrah cost a number of aboriginal draftees a spot on lists because few teams ever want to be in a position Melbourne were last year vis-a-vis Jurrah and Mifsud.

Any proof of this... or simply more psychedelic imaginings?

 

[Dalphonso]

Regards the actual thread I bloody hope that Liam gets back to the AFL. He'll have to do his pennants for drink driving though and I'm guessing that no one will pick him up until he shows total commitment for the next preseason and then look at drafting him at the end of 2014. Might be an outside chance of a rookie selection, but I'm assuming he'll be pretty crap this year as it's unlikely that he'll have had a decent preseason or he'll be in the right head space.

As a man who has raised 6 Warlpiri kids and had a kid from Lajamanu board with me in Darwin and in Melbourne I would be wrapped if the club could trade for Liam Patrick at the end of the year and then rookie Liam Jurrah. It would be great to have the Warlpiri version of Carey and Jackovich playing for the bombers and living near each other and playing/training together should get the best out of both of them.

What if Liam Patricks side of the Warlpri Family is enemy to Liam Jurrahs side?
That would be interesting in the change rooms .Bill O'reilly vs Don Bradman style

 

[fishardansin]

What if Liam Patricks side of the Warlpri Family is enemy to Liam Jurrahs side?
That would be interesting in the change rooms .Bill O'reilly vs Don Bradman style

The issues among some Warlpiri people is at Yuendemu. Lajamanu does not have any of this unrest. In fact it's pretty clear that one of the major problems is over zealous policing in Yuendemu. In Lajamanu police turn a blind eye to "tribal justice". This empowers the actual owners of the land and lets tensions simmer down.

100 years ago Warlpiri people wouldn't have day to day contact with more than 5 or 10 adults. Their culture has not had the time to adjust to communities of 500-1000 people, which Lajamanu and Yuendemu is. Just as they have not had time to adjust to sedintary life where leaders get more than others and everyone is required to chain themselves to an education institution as children and then work places for extended periods of time.
The fact that they were forced to live in missions, what now have become their major communities, and live under strict church rules so that graziers and miners could have their way with the Warlpiri land and then all of a sudden, with no preparation, they were given autonomy, access to government welfare and nothing was done to develop their communities in regards to employment, garden and food management. While self determination was done with all the best intentions, following hot on the heels of such a paternalistic governance total freedom, with the dole provided and nothing done to provide employment no body saw the value of education and as a result much of the second half of their first century of contact with the outside world has led to abject failure.

.... anyhow stop making me monologue.

 

[Sprout]

Whether anyone else will admit it or not, I don't know, but I suspect that there are 2-3 young aboriginal kids who were not drafted because AFL teams did not want another potential Jurrah on their hands.

That is the lasting legacy of Liam Jurrah and how his situation was handled by Melbourne and the AFL.

And I stand by what I said earlier- Mifsud and Jurrah cost a number of aboriginal draftees a spot on lists because few teams ever want to be in a position Melbourne were last year vis-a-vis Jurrah and Mifsud.

Your first comment seemed to be attributing blame to the club. Are you backing away from that now that you know it's completely misguided?

I'd also be interested in knowing what proof or insider knowledge you have that makes you so sure of the immediate ripple effects from the Jurrah case.

 

[royals1922]

Take your best shots first . I won't respond piecemeal to diverse peoples pc rants.

And please come up with some hard facts about what Cousins, Lovett and Fevola said instead of reading Caro's tripe as facts.