Lions vs Cats vs Hawks - Which dynasty is the best?

[SSSSSS]

Geelong couldn't even play 4 Grand Finals in a row let alone win three

Must hurt knowing your greatest era is still well and truly behind our two golden ages.

 

[Fabes]

Now post the the ladder of the last 3 years taking into account the interstate teams you faced in the GF and the fact you lost a final on route to a flag.

Like it or not stats don't lie.

What?? Haha haha.... What an absolute tool you are making yourself out to be. Just stop. It's embarrassing.

 

[Samthegun]

Poor Nakia is copping a pummeling at the hands of the Hawks fans on this board. Come on, Cats fans, throw your weight in and help the guy! You agree that Geelong of 07 - 11 is the greatest team of all, don't you?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Poor Nakia is copping a pummeling at the hands of the Hawks fans on this board. Come on, Cats fans, throw your weight in and help the guy! You agree that Geelong of 07 - 11 is the greatest team of all, don't you?

Sorry champ but you couldn't be any more ignorant.

Hawks supporters have no answers to the facts presented.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Geelong couldn't even play 4 Grand Finals in a row let alone win three

Must hurt knowing your greatest era is still well and truly behind our two golden ages.

I hope we snag Henderson. Just to really **** with the Geelong supporters. Plus it would set up our spine for the next 5 years. Would probably cost our first rounder and a bit more.

 

[seysearles]

I'm not sure how this has any relevance to any dynasty discussions. I produce fact, you produce opinion.

You state things as fact which are actually just your ego fueled and biased opinion. Refer to my previous post for 3 examples. A cursory scan of your posting history will show hundreds of similar posts. What you are is just a giant bag of hot air. Each and every one of us are dumber for having read your posts or engaged your conversation.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

You state things as fact that turn out to be bs. Refer to my previous post for 3 examples. What you actually are is a giant bag of hot air.

You see it as Bullshit because you're merely having trouble coming to grips with the truth.

Funny how you searched through my posting history and produced nothing relevant to this discussion... that sir is the definition of posting 'bullshit.'

Now please enlighten us with some relevance and reasoning... that would be fantastic.

 

[randyzany]

I'll respond to you when you have read the whole post.

Only 1 Geelong F/S was rated highly, Tom Hawkins, with the consensus at the time being that he was comfortably a Top 5 pick and possibly Number 1.

That's really what prompted the change as it made the blood of opposition club admins boil that the 2007 Premiers had drafted such a high (potential) pick the year before through the F/S system.

Prior to Geelong's first flag in that 2000's however, not a peep was heard from opposition clubs about Geelong's supposedly unfair F/S leg up. It's jealousy driven inaccurate revisionist history basically.

So as far as I'm concerned only non-Victorian clubs have a legitimate complaint about F/S players, the other Victorian clubs (including Brisbane I think who had some F/S via Fitzroy as well) have absolutely no grounds to stand on. It is just baseless bleating for bleatings sake.

 

[seysearles]

You see it as Bullshit because you're merely having trouble coming to grips with the truth.

Funny how you searched through my posting history and produced nothing relevant to this discussion... that sir is the definition of posting 'bullshit.'

Now please enlighten us with some relevance and reasoning... that would be fantastic.

I feel that it's relevant that you repeatedly stated that Geelong will would the premiership in seasons they never even contested the grand final and asked us to "bookmark it". It shows a pattern of delusion and obstinance from someone who has no clue what they're on about.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Nakia vs BigFooty

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I see 3 premeirship cups but no ladder.

That's all that matters.

 

[SSSSSS]

You trawled through 2 weeks and 150 pages of Hawthorn Trade and Draft posts just to pull that out?

The asspain of 08 and your lesser legacy is truly showing.

Going through 2000 posts just to pull something way out of context. You need help Nakia

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

You trawled through 2 weeks and 150 pages of Hawthorn Trade and Draft posts just to pull that out?

The asspain of 08 and your lesser legacy is truly showing.

Going through 2000 posts just to pull something way out of context. You need help Nakia

I feel that it's relevant that you repeatedly stated that Geelong will would the premiership in seasons they never even contested the grand final and asked us to "bookmark it". It shows a pattern of delusion and obstinance from someone who has no clue what they're on about.

 

[SSSSSS]

One thing to ask someone to bookmark it on the MB. Another thing to trawl through 2000 posts in an oppositions Draft and Trading Rumours board to give a lurking like and save into your "Posts without context to support my irrelevant and deluded point of view" folder

 

[seysearles]

It's so easy though. I would encourage everyone to do it see some of the junk you post and how often you come off sounding like a massive goose.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

It's so easy though. I would encourage everyone to do it see some of the junk you post and how often you come off sounding like a massive goose.

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That's the point, as irrelevant as what you were trying to achieve was.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

One thing to ask someone to bookmark it on the MB. Another thing to trawl through 2000 posts in an oppositions Draft and Trading Rumours board to give a lurking like and save into your "Posts without context to support my irrelevant and deluded point of view" folder

Trawl through? Na, I opened that thread and funnily enough your post was one of the first 'unread.' I found it amusing.

 

[Hawkk]

So is it true that your greatest era is comfortably behind Hawthorn's two golden ages?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

So is it true that your greatest era is comfortably behind Hawthorn's two golden ages?

Not unless you have facts to negate the ones I presented... it doesn't look like anyway can muster any, so I'll say no... again.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

cats certainly were ass like in 08 GF, so i agree.

as for home ground advantage, didnt geelong lose a final at home in 2013? whats the excuse for that? fremantle lost at home in a prelim too. good teams win anywhere.

arrogant sure, but others have stated there are geelong supporters that are not your humble quiet types either though i would never generalize an entire supporter group. i know some very nice informed and honest geelong supporters actually.

anyway im done with this convo, i respect your opinions. good luck to you and your team champ.

Thank you mate you too.

 

[dean31]

So is it true that your greatest era is comfortably behind Hawthorn's two golden ages?

Probably should stop feeding the troll. Nut sakia is clearly a troll and best way to deal with a troll is to ignore it.

The poll at the top of this page is where the facts will be found and the fact is most people see that the Hawks era which is still not over is the greater of the 3. Hawks also beat the Cats in 08 their best season of their era and the Hawks did it with a much weaker team than they have now.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Probably should stop feeding the troll. Nut sakia is clearly a troll and best way to deal with a troll is to ignore it.

You think I'm trolling... seriously.

 

[Hawkk]

Not unless you have facts to negate the ones I presented... it doesn't look like anyway can muster any, so I'll say no... again.

Simple, from the same thread on the polls board

I agree with the premise of your post (I apologise if it appeared arrogant)

I just think its surprising that posters discredit 2009/10 when ultimately the rise, peak, fall, rise trajectory mirrors the Cats and Lions...

Case in point, the Lions 1995/04, Cats 2004/14 and Hawthorn 2007/15

Brisbane Lions
1995 - 10/12, EF exit to Carlton (13 pts)
1996 - 15/1/6, PF exit to North Melbourne (38 pts)
1997 - 10/1/11, EF exit to St Kilda (46 pts)
1998 - 5/1/16
1999 - 16/6, PF exit to North Melbourne (45 pts)
2000 - 12/10, SF exit to Carlton (82 pts)
2001 - 17/5, PREMIERSHIP (def Ess by 26 pts)
2002 - 17/5, PREMIERSHIP (def Coll by 9 pts)
2003 - 14/1/7, PREMIERSHIP (def Coll by 50 pts)
2004 - 16/6, GF exit to Port Adelaide (40 pts)

Geelong
2004 - 15/7, PF exit to Brisbane (9 pts)
2005 - 12/10, SF exit to Sydney (3 pts)
2006 - 10/1/11
2007 - 18/4, PREMIERSHIP (def PA by 119 pts)
2008 - 21/1, GF exit to Hawthorn (26 pts)
2009 - 18/4, PREMIERSHIP (def ST K by 10 pts)
2010 - 17/5, PF exit to Collingwood (41 pts)
2011 - 19/3, PREMIERSHIP (def Coll by 38 pts)
2012 - 15/7, EF exit to Fremantle (16 pts)
2013 - 18/4, PF exit to Hawthorn (5 pts)
2014 - 17/5, SF exit to North Melbourne (6 pts)

Hawthorn
2007 - 13/9, SF exit to North Melbourne (33 pts)
2008 - 17/5, PREMIERSHIP (def Geel by 26 pts)
2009 - 9/13
2010 - 12/1/9, EF exit to Fremantle (30 pts)
2011 - 18/4, PF loss to Collingwood (3 pts)
2012 - 17/5, GF loss to Sydney (10 pts)
2013 - 19/3, PREMIERSHIP (def Frem by 15 pts)
2014 - 17/5, PREMIERSHIP (def Syd by 63 pts)
2015 - 16/6, PREMIERSHIP (def WC by 46 pts)

Premierships dont build over night they take years of planning to come to fruition. In the case of Brisbane, the Bears / Lions presented for 6 years (with a hiccup in 1998) before they won the threepeat - all with the same core group of players (Voss, Acker, Lynch, McRae, Hart, White, Ashcroft etc.) that stuck it out from 1995-2000

In the case of the Cats the accent was far quicker, losing heartbreaking PF's and SF's in 2004 and 05 before thrashing all comers to the flag. Like the Lions, the Cats core (Ling, Scarlett, Harley, Woz, Mackie, Chapman, Ablett, Mooney) took them to the 2007 and 09 flags...with minor remedial work required to rebuild the club after the 2010 debacle

In the Hawks case they took an opportunity and peaked early, perhaps ahead of their time but they presented when the Cats hurbis distracted them from the main prize, went through the same lull that plagued the Cats and Lions (accentuated by rhe expectation of being premier) and emerged the better for it. Like the Cats and Lions the Hawks core of Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis, Birchall and Roughead played a role in all four premierships...this is the core that the Hawks built their squad around.

I have no doubt that 2008 should come into calculation in much the same way 1995-2000 and 2004-06 (and 2012-14) is relevent for the Cats and Lions...

If you look at the Hawks, Cats and Lions years there is no doubt the Cats were the great underachievers

Plausibly they could have ended up with the 2007-11 flags is hurbis (2008) and a Bomber Thompson meltdown (2010) didnt distraxt their squad from the prize

Gotta say that the Lions 1995/04, Cats 2004/14 and the Hawks 2008/15 are not a patch on the Hawks 1982/94...

1982 - 17/5, PF exit to Carlton (31 pts)
1983 - 15/7, PREMIERSHIP (def Ess by 83 pts)
1984 - 17/5, GF loss to Essendon (24 pts)
1985 - 15/1/6, GF loss to Essendon (78 pts)
1986 - 18/4, PREMIERSHIP (def Carl by 42 pts)
1987 - 17/5, GF loss to Carlton (33 pts)
1988 - 19/3, PREMIERSHIP (def Melb by 96 pts)
1989 - 19/3, PREMIERSHIP (def Geel by 6 pts)
1990 - 14/8, EF exit to Melbourne (9 pts)
1991 - 16/6, PREMIERSHIP (def WCE by 53 pts)
1992 - 14/8, EF exit to West Coast (13 pts)
1993 - 13/9, EF exit to Adelaide (15 pts)
1994 - 13/9, EF exit to North Melbourne (after extra time)

So...

Hawthorn 1982/94 (5 flags (inc b2b), 8 GF's (inc b7b) and 1 PF exit)
Hawthorn 2008/15 (4 flags (inc b3b), 5 GF's (inc b4b) and 1 PF exit)
Brisbane Lions 1995/04 (3 flags (inc b3b), 4 GF's (inc 4 b4b) and 2 PF's)
Geelong 2004/14 (3 flags, 4 GFs (inc b3b) and 3 PF exits)

Does that kind of make sense?

 

[dean31]

Simple, from the same thread on the polls board



Gotta say that the Lions 1995/04, Cats 2004/14 and the Hawks 2008/15 are not a patch on the Hawks 1982/94...

1982 - 17/5, PF exit to Carlton (31 pts)
1983 - 15/7, PREMIERSHIP (def Ess by 83 pts)
1984 - 17/5, GF loss to Essendon (24 pts)
1985 - 15/1/6, GF loss to Essendon (78 pts)
1986 - 18/4, PREMIERSHIP (def Carl by 42 pts)
1987 - 17/5, GF loss to Carlton (33 pts)
1988 - 19/3, PREMIERSHIP (def Melb by 96 pts)
1989 - 19/3, PREMIERSHIP (def Geel by 6 pts)
1990 - 14/8, EF exit to Melbourne (9 pts)
1991 - 16/6, PREMIERSHIP (def WCE by 53 pts)
1992 - 14/8, EF exit to West Coast (13 pts)
1993 - 13/9, EF exit to Adelaide (15 pts)
1994 - 13/9, EF exit to North Melbourne (after extra time)

So...

Hawthorn 1982/94 (5 flags (inc b2b), 8 GF's (inc b7b) and 1 PF exit)
Hawthorn 2008/15 (4 flags (inc b3b), 5 GF's (inc b4b) and 1 PF exit)
Brisbane Lions 1995/04 (3 flags (inc b3b), 4 GF's (inc 4 b4b) and 2 PF's)
Geelong 2004/14 (3 flags, 4 GFs (inc b3b) and 3 PF exits)

Does that kind of make sense?

There's some facts the Troll was asking for, don't think it will achieve much as trolls cannot be reasoned with and are quite delusional.
The Troll will also argue the Geelong era was better than the Hawks decade spanning 81-91

 

[SSSSSS]

Simple, from the same thread on the polls board



Gotta say that the Lions 1995/04, Cats 2004/14 and the Hawks 2008/15 are not a patch on the Hawks 1982/94...

1982 - 17/5, PF exit to Carlton (31 pts)
1983 - 15/7, PREMIERSHIP (def Ess by 83 pts)
1984 - 17/5, GF loss to Essendon (24 pts)
1985 - 15/1/6, GF loss to Essendon (78 pts)
1986 - 18/4, PREMIERSHIP (def Carl by 42 pts)
1987 - 17/5, GF loss to Carlton (33 pts)
1988 - 19/3, PREMIERSHIP (def Melb by 96 pts)
1989 - 19/3, PREMIERSHIP (def Geel by 6 pts)
1990 - 14/8, EF exit to Melbourne (9 pts)
1991 - 16/6, PREMIERSHIP (def WCE by 53 pts)
1992 - 14/8, EF exit to West Coast (13 pts)
1993 - 13/9, EF exit to Adelaide (15 pts)
1994 - 13/9, EF exit to North Melbourne (after extra time)

So...

Hawthorn 1982/94 (5 flags (inc b2b), 8 GF's (inc b7b) and 1 PF exit)
Hawthorn 2008/15 (4 flags (inc b3b), 5 GF's (inc b4b) and 1 PF exit)
Brisbane Lions 1995/04 (3 flags (inc b3b), 4 GF's (inc 4 b4b) and 2 PF's)
Geelong 2004/14 (3 flags, 4 GFs (inc b3b) and 3 PF exits)

Does that kind of make sense?

You forgot to add 2014 Geelong bowing out in straight sets after getting thumped by 8 goals in the Qualifying final.