List Mgmt. List Management 2023-24

[Macca19]

Lol what? Was that the game we brought an underdone and out of form impey in after dropping Trengove and he was absolute shithouse?


We went into that game with only 2 kfs, one of which was very young, and a bunch of smalls like Neade gray and impey and west coasts backs took a billion intercept marks while paying zero attention to our fleet of smalls?

Marshall didn’t cost us s**t.

Hinkleys love of smalls and disregard for structure hurt us.

We were calling for Trengove to be named as well as Todd, not instead.

We went in with three talls, Dixon, Westhoff and Marshall.

Marshalls opponent had career highs in disposals and marks.

6 weeks earlier Trengove kicked 2 goals and played his best game of the year against WC. Mcgovern had 12 and 6. 6 weeks later he has 25 and 15 playing on a kid that wasnt ready.

It is entirely fair to say that playing Marshall in that game potentially cost us the game.

Its also funny that you and Schultzy who are the loudest detractors of playing a guy giving up career best games in the ruck, are here defending a decision to play a not ready player who gave away a career best game to his opponent in a final

 

[philthy05]

We went in with three talls, Dixon, Westhoff and Marshall.

Marshalls opponent had career highs in disposals and marks.

6 weeks earlier Trengove kicked 2 goals and played his best game of the year against WC. Mcgovern had 12 and 6. 6 weeks later he has 25 and 15 playing on a kid that wasnt ready.

It is entirely fair to say that playing Marshall in that game potentially cost us the game.

Its also funny that you and Schultzy who are the loudest detractors of playing a guy giving up career best games in the ruck, are here defending a decision to play a not ready player who gave away a career best game to his opponent in a final

Westhoff was named on the wing and played there, as he had done all year.

We named 2 kfs, having dropped / overlooked Trengove so we could pick impey and we played a short forward line against a team packed with tall intercept marking key defenders, and what we all said would happen when we named a fleet of small forwards, happened.

It wasn’t Todd v Trengove at selection. We should and could have named both and went into the game with 3 talls and not with a fleet of small forwards of Sam gray Neade and impey. 2 of which were out of our team (and the league) very soon after lol.

I’m also not sure why you’re saying mcgovern “played” on Marshall.

West coast had at least 3 tall defenders and west coasts setup was for 2 blokes to defend and mcgovern to zone off as much as possible to intercept mark. That was his career. The best teams made him accountable as much as possible to limit that.

Hinkleys gameplan was to name a fleet of smalls, and push those smalls up the field to help the midfield and that played into the oppos hands nearly every week but especially that week. That was the small forward era where every week it seemed like teams were setting intercept marking records while our kfs fought against 2-1 and 3-1 in marking contests inside our f50.

No surprise to anyone that those days disappeared when we abandoned the small forward structure (probably because Hinkleys toys got taken away from him) and we started playing 3 kfs.

Something that if we did that game we wouldn’t have conceded a billion intercept marks to outnumbered kfs while Neade and impey got useless touches around half forward / wing.

 

[Visenfest]

Random thought regarding our KPFs:

If Georgiades leaves, our key forwards are:

• Dixon (close to end of career)
• Marshall
• Finlayson
• Lord (no guarantee to make it)
• Scully (no guarantee to make it)

Small forwards and a KPD are a big need, but in the above scenario we’d need to draft a high end KPF prospect soon. Or try lure someone through free agency.

 

[davesnothere]

Random thought regarding our KPFs:

If Georgiades leaves, our key forwards are:

• Dixon (close to end of career)
• Marshall
• Finlayson
• Lord (no guarantee to make it)
• Scully (no guarantee to make it)

Small forwards and a KPD are a big need, but in the above scenario we’d need to draft a high end KPF prospect soon. Or try lure someone through free agency.

Marshall is good
Finlayson is good
Lord very happy with.
Scully very happy with.
Dante can also be a very good forward.

We are ok for tall forwards

Small forwards.

Draft

Ashton Moir ( draft ranking falling from top 5 to top 20)

Jack Delean ( draft ranking on the rise)

William Rowlands.

Orlando Turner.

We will find a decent small forward.

Tall defenders.

Confident we will pick up McKay just a question of worth and the deal to get it done if North match our offer. Not sure they're going to be happy with 2nd round compo.

North is a basket case just get him out of there.

 

[Macca19]

I’m also not sure why you’re saying mcgovern “played” on Marshall.

West coast had at least 3 tall defenders and west coasts setup was for 2 blokes to defend and mcgovern to zone off as much as possible to intercept mark. That was his career. The best teams made him accountable as much as possible to limit that.

I'm saying he played on Marshall because if you watch the game again (don't recommend) he lined up on and spent 90% of his time playing on Marshall. Marshall couldn't keep up. The only time he wasn't playing against Marshall was when Marshall was off the field. Mckenzie played on Dixon the whole night. It was a poor selection and poor coaching,

 

[philthy05]

I'm saying he played on Marshall because if you watch the game again (don't recommend) he lined up on and spent 90% of his time playing on Marshall. Marshall couldn't keep up. The only time he wasn't playing against Marshall was when Marshall was off the field. Mckenzie played on Dixon the whole night. It was a poor selection and poor coaching,

And where did the other key defender play?

Cause he certainly wasn’t swanning around nowhere following Neade or impey doing shit **** all.

Marshall and Dixon weren’t just playing against 1 key defender. They were gangbanged all game long.

Impey had kicked like 2 goals the entire second half of the season with something like 12d a game that year. The small forward line that Hinkley loved in that era was destroyed by key defenders week in week out.

Hinkleys love affair with small forwards, lost us that game, and since they’ve been discarded the days of monster intercept games from backmen have gone. What a surprise.

 

[Macca19]

And where did the other key defender play?

Cause he certainly wasn’t swanning around nowhere following Neade or impey doing s**t * all.

Marshall and Dixon weren’t just playing against 1 key defender. They were gangbanged all game long.

Impey had kicked like 2 goals the entire second half of the season with something like 12d a game that year. The small forward line that Hinkley loved in that era was destroyed by key defenders week in week out.

Hinkleys love affair with small forwards, lost us that game, and since they’ve been discarded the days of monster intercept games from backmen have gone. What a surprise.

Barrass played on Westhoff and SPP

 

[backtozero]

And where did the other key defender play?

Cause he certainly wasn’t swanning around nowhere following Neade or impey doing s**t * all.

Marshall and Dixon weren’t just playing against 1 key defender. They were gangbanged all game long.

Impey had kicked like 2 goals the entire second half of the season with something like 12d a game that year. The small forward line that Hinkley loved in that era was destroyed by key defenders week in week out.

Hinkleys love affair with small forwards, lost us that game, and since they’ve been discarded the days of monster intercept games from backmen have gone. What a surprise.

Everything Macca has said is true. Someone could tell you the sky was blue and you'd find a way to argue that it's actually a pale shade of purple.

 

[philthy05]

Barrass played on Westhoff and SPP

Westhoff spend the whole year playing wing / backup ruck. I only vaguely remember the game but the fact he had 21d and no goals, supports the fact he played the same way that game as the rest of the year. If he spent any time forward it would have been resting there or floating down there and briefly. He certainly did not rack up 21d and 0 goals in our f50. At the same time Spp was a midfielder resting forward in 2017.

It’s revisionist to say Todd cost us the game in an era it’s widely accepted

A) Hinkley backed in small forwards
B) those small forwards were shit (all gone soon after)
C) hinkleys gameplan pushed those smalls up the ground and every forward entry was to a player outnumbered
D) defenders week in week out took high number of intercept marks against our outnumbered kfs

At the peak of that era, Hinkley goes with the structure / selection/ gameplan we all accept was dogshit and the reason our kfs got mauled / outnumbered / insane intercept marks against up against a known tall intercept marking team and gets the exact result you would think

Impey got brought into the side, as per hinkleys gameplan / selection desires, did shit **** all as our kfs we’re outnumbered every time we went forward and we lost the game.

It’s not rocket science. Don’t pick yet another low possession small in the forward half to pick up a dozen touches around half forward while our kfs get outnumbered in f50 by a known tall marking intercept team.

We played into west coasts hands.

 

[philthy05]

Everything Macca has said is true. Someone could tell you the sky was blue and you'd find a way to argue that it's actually a pale shade of purple.

Lol

So impey wasn’t an out of form poor inclusion during an era we went with smalls and watched our kfs get outnumbered?

And westhoff was a kf who hadn’t played wing for the entire second half of his career?

The sky is blue. We went with small ineffective small forwards and kicked to outnumbered kfs during that whole era but apparently that week … not?

 

[JUSTWORK]

If Trengove had played that final over Marshall we’d of won.

 

[philthy05]

If Trengove had played that final over Marshall we’d of won.

If Trengove had of played instead of impey, we would have won.



The structure that we’ve since switched to and haven’t seen the repeated abuse of outnumbered kfs and ridiculous high intercepts since.

 

[backtozero]

Lol

So impey wasn’t an out of form poor inclusion during an era we went with smalls and watched our kfs get outnumbered?

And westhoff was a kf who hadn’t played wing for the entire second half of his career?

The sky is blue. We went with small ineffective small forwards and kicked to outnumbered kfs during that whole era but apparently that week … not?

Marshall was a major factor in us losing that game too.

 

[philthy05]

Marshall was a major factor in us losing that game too.

Like we did that entire era we sabotaged our kfs ability to get any sort of decent run at it for small forwards to apply pressure up the field.

Through that entire era we were dependent on peak talent like Robbie gray Dixon and wingard to perform Herculean efforts to score what was effortless down the other end.

Looking at the stats we had 17 more inside 50’s that game , but hey at least our pressure and tackles were awesome.

Saying we should have dumped todd for Trengove instead of actually playing the 3 tall forwards and not bringing in yet another ineffective small forward to do shit **** all up the ground is like saying a tourniquet might save your leg when everyone pointed out the option to not strap a bomb to your leg and set it off would be preferable to having to save your leg afterwards.


That whole era was and is widely regarded by all of us as a massive mistake and a waste of the talent we had.

All those small forwards we had were gone soon after, and in neades and Sam’s case out of the league soon after and our forward line has looked a million times better without the small brigade.

The days of getting regularly smashed by intercepting defenders has disappeared



As I’ve stated, it wasn’t Todd’s selection that ****ed us, it was impeys. The dude that had kicked 2 goals in something like 10 weeks. The dude that was invisible all game except for if I’m recalling correctly a horrific unforced error or two. He was dog shit awful and so obviously the wrong selection to make against west coast, but Hinkley made the call, and we lost.

If we had picked Jackson over impey maybe todd gets more of a chance, even if he doesn’t then at least Trengove does, we don’t **** all those inside 50’s. What would we have missed out on? A couple of impey touches and chases up the field? Lol.

 

[Schulzenfest]

If Polec hadn't tackled Shuey high with 10 seconds to go we would have won. Anything else is guesswork.

 

[JUSTWORK]

If Polec hadn't tackled Shuey high with 10 seconds to go we would have won. Anything else is guesswork.

Shuey drew high contact, shouldn’t have been paid a feee kick.

 

[RangaInTeal]

If Polec hadn't tackled Shuey high with 10 seconds to go we would have won. Anything else is guesswork.

One player doesn’t win/lose a match, Dixon best on with 3.18 kicks straight we win by 10 goals.

 

[Bevoman]

Marshall is good
Finlayson is good
Lord very happy with.
Scully very happy with.
Dante can also be a very good forward.

We are ok for tall forwards

Small forwards.

Draft

Ashton Moir ( draft ranking falling from top 5 to top 20)

Jack Delean ( draft ranking on the rise)

William Rowlands.

Orlando Turner.

We will find a decent small forward.

Tall defenders.

Confident we will pick up McKay just a question of worth and the deal to get it done if North match our offer. Not sure they're going to be happy with 2nd round compo.

North is a basket case just get him out of there.

After yesterday's game why we would grab McKay: spend the money else where.
And he has played less games than Fanta (over the last five years).

 

[Macca19]

One player doesn’t win/lose a match, Dixon best on with 3.18 kicks straight we win by 10 goals.

Well lets remind ourselves of that when Teakle gets thumped this week

 

[Macca19]

Mckay has had an aawwwwffuulll season. Their fans reckon hes checked out. So are we seeing the real him or the checked out him?

 

[Macca19]

Westhoff spend the whole year playing wing / backup ruck. I only vaguely remember the game but the fact he had 21d and no goals, supports the fact he played the same way that game as the rest of the year. If he spent any time forward it would have been resting there or floating down there and briefly. He certainly did not rack up 21d and 0 goals in our f50. At the same time Spp was a midfielder resting forward in 2017.

It’s revisionist to say Todd cost us the game in an era it’s widely accepted

A) Hinkley backed in small forwards
B) those small forwards were s**t (all gone soon after)
C) hinkleys gameplan pushed those smalls up the ground and every forward entry was to a player outnumbered
D) defenders week in week out took high number of intercept marks against our outnumbered kfs

At the peak of that era, Hinkley goes with the structure / selection/ gameplan we all accept was dogshit and the reason our kfs got mauled / outnumbered / insane intercept marks against up against a known tall intercept marking team and gets the exact result you would think

Impey got brought into the side, as per hinkleys gameplan / selection desires, did s**t * all as our kfs we’re outnumbered every time we went forward and we lost the game.

It’s not rocket science. Don’t pick yet another low possession small in the forward half to pick up a dozen touches around half forward while our kfs get outnumbered in f50 by a known tall marking intercept team.

We played into west coasts hands.

Impey was a shocking selection and played shockingly, then left the club. I agree, his selection was bad. But you are incorrect with the rest of it.

 

[Windy Cindy]

If Trengove had of played instead of impey, we would have won.



The structure that we’ve since switched to and haven’t seen the repeated abuse of outnumbered kfs and ridiculous high intercepts since.

If hinkley wasn’t coach we would have won

 

[It Just Is]

Mckay has had an aawwwwffuulll season. Their fans reckon hes checked out. So are we seeing the real him or the checked out him?

He was good last week but 1 in 5 isn’t a great strike rate for someone in their prime.

I think he’s very good with slow ball movement but gets caught out when the ball comes in quick. He’s an ok but not amazing athlete with below average footy smarts would be my skin deep take. No matter where he plays it will be fascinating to see if he ends up All Australian or in the reserves, I feel like there’s no in between with Ben.

Ultimately, free agents are a must when building for a premiership, particularly having given up 2x 1st round picks for JHF, and he fits a need more than anyone else available this year. Just need to make sure the price is right.

 

[It Just Is]

Here's an interesting one. NicNat?

He'd be wasting what's left of his career continuing on at West Coast. He's never won a premiership and might be able to be convinced to move for one last shot at one. FWIW Port have a history of Fijian players on the list with Alipate Carlile and David Rodan. Given the injury risk he'd have to come cheap, but if he did, I'd infinitely rather have him on the list than Lycett.

There’s a few on the Eagles list we could look at cherry picking. For the right price, i.e. effectively nothing, Nic Nat, McGovern or Yeo could all play a role for us for a year or two.

A fit* Yeo could be a very handy 3rd tall defender in the twilight of his career and slot straight in for Jonas next year.

Given the age profile of our list, I don’t think there is any harm bringing in a 30+ year old premiership player to do a role for a year or 2.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

There’s a few on the Eagles list we could look at cherry picking. For the right price, i.e. effectively nothing, Nic Nat, McGovern or Yeo could all play a role for us for a year or two.

A fit* Yeo could be a very handy 3rd tall defender in the twilight of his career and slot straight in for Jonas next year.

Given the age profile of our list, I don’t think there is any harm bringing in a 30+ year old premiership player to do a role for a year or 2.

Didn't we get knocked back for Yeo last off-season? You would think if he'd wanted to come they would've made it happen.