List Mgmt. List Management Discussion for 2022

[Hawked Wings]

Mark Stevens

Mark Stevens

Age

49

Ht

194cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.8

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.4

3star

G

2.0

5star

reporting st Kilda are interested in Kyle Hartigan

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Kyle Hartigan

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.3

3star

MG

111.0

2star

D

9.3

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

111.0

2star

D

18.2

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

7.4

5star

T

0.6

3star

 

[HairyO]

Mark Stevens reporting st Kilda are interested in Kyle Hartigan

Hartigan is a competitor. Something the Saints are sorely lacking. Plenty of talent but how many on the list would go at 100% until they collapsed?

You don't keep a player on the list because he may be useful to train against.

He can just as easily do that being a development coach whilst not being on the list.

If we have a spare list spot and more money in the player salary cap than the soft cap then you use the player cap.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Mark Stevens reporting st Kilda are interested in Kyle Hartigan

They’re rumored to have offered him 2 years.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

They’re rumored to have offered him 2 years.

Very St Kilda thing to do. Not to pile on Hartigan, but a player turning 31 who couldn’t get a game in a rebuilding side doesn’t exactly scream out 2 year deal.

 

[PT Bar None]

Needing to replace Frawley?

 

[TylerDurden]

So does he leave as DFA or do we need to trade?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

So does he leave as DFA or do we need to trade?

Kyle’s a UFA.

 

[Topiary]

He was our fourth-best player, in my opinion, but now that Maynard has earned the distinction of being named to his first All-Australian team, he has got to be the most underrated defender in the AFL. It is a complete farce that he is not mentioned in AFL media.

Don’t worry I would have Maynard in a flash. Favourite Collingwood player. Love his grunt, hard work and usually searing left foot.

 

[MrBeefSeven]

Mark Stevens reporting st Kilda are interested in Kyle Hartigan

alright sweet Hartigan for Gresham then who says no?

 

[TylerDurden]

Kyle’s a UFA.

Many saying he's contracted to us for 2023.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Many saying he's contracted to us for 2023.

HedgeFund's adamance on this one aside - the AFL website has him listed as a FA. I get the AFL and getting it right don't go hand in hand - but I would have to believe they'd at least get that right.

 

[Topiary]

Many saying he's contracted to us for 2023.

I don’t think he played enough games to trigger the one additional year clause. But I will ask

 

[Mercy Seat]

HedgeFund's adamance on this one aside - the AFL website has him listed as a FA. I get the AFL and getting it right don't go hand in hand - but I would have to believe they'd at least get that right.

Those AFL FA status things are often wrong. But reading about it more, I'm convinced he had a 2 year with a trigger for a 3rd. Doubt he played enough games, but he did clock up 22 over the 2 years so who knows.

 

[wahawk]

Many saying he's contracted to us for 2023.

 

[Brishawk]

Many saying he's contracted to us for 2023.

I suspect we have an option to extend in the contract.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I suspect we have an option to extend in the contract.

Can you do that with someone who has free agency rights? Feels like something the players association wouldn't love.

 

[wahawk]

I suspect we have an option to extend in the contract.

How ?
He is listed as a FA on every website

That means he has no contract past Oct this year

 

[Brishawk]

How ?
He is listed as a FA on every website

If we don’t exercise a clause in a contract I’d imagine he can leave as a free agent. But those lists are put together early in the year and may not adequately account for such clauses. He may well leave as a free agent regardless but I think the source of the ambiguity is likely a trigger clause plus a club option to extend him.

 

[Brishawk]

Can you do that with someone who has free agency rights? Feels like something the players association wouldn't love.

You don’t think options exist in contracts? If he came to the club with a two year deal plus an option for a third which could be triggered under specific conditions, then why would anyone have an issue with that? In any case, I think it likely he leaves as a free agent regardless but it would explain a lot is such a condition exists in his contract.

 

[HedgeFund]

Needing to replace Frawley?

He was coaching at Gold Coast this year.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

You don’t think options exist in contracts? If he came to the club with a two year deal plus an option for a third which could be triggered under specific conditions, then why would anyone have an issue with that? In any case, I think it likely he leaves as a free agent regardless but it would explain a lot is such a condition exists in his contract.

I didn't doubt that such options exist in contracts - I was asking whether you knew if they are allowable for a free agent. Free agency is meant to tilt favour to the player due to their tenure in the game so I wasn't sure if team based options would be contrary to that.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

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where is that screenshot from?

 

[PT Bar None]

He was coaching at Gold Coast this year.

I am seriously unable to separate 2020, 21, 22 these days. Stupid years

 

[killerspud]

I am seriously unable to separate 2020, 21, 22 these days. Stupid years

The stupidest years on record

 

[bigconornash]

Haha St Kilda please take Hartigan.
Can barely last another game let alone 2 years.