List Mgmt. List Management Discussion for 2022

[The German Hunter]

The other issue is these players wanting to leave. If they have bought into the team, there is a good chance they will want to stay.
They know Sammy is taking us to more silverware

 

[Judd2Sewell]

We've got plenty of players who have trade currency, but with most of them the posters within these pages would want to keep.

The club WILL get queried about Lewis, CJ, Kosi, Day, Scrimshaw, DGB etc...

Posters within our board will be coming up with trades for Howe, Shiels, Brockman and Phillips...

Reality is that Wingard, Tom and JOM will have clubs that know they're available from us at the right price, it's just whether those players entertain a move, and if the club is open to trading in what the market tells them they are worth rather than hoping for the absolute best pick.

Mitchell, JOM and Wingard could all offer better teams something for sure. But to get a much prized first rounder we'd need to throw in something else.

AFL teams don't trade as aggressively as NBA or NFL teams. But we could make a few moves to try and tally picks and then use them to try and move up the order.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Mitchell, JOM and Wingard could all offer better teams something for sure. But to get a much prized first rounder we'd need to throw in something else.

AFL teams don't trade as aggressively as NBA or NFL teams. But we could make a few moves to try and tally picks and then use them to try and move up the order.

I don’t see us getting a top 15 pick for any of them unless we pay salary and/or offer a secondary pick, but there is lot to play out between now and trade week and any number of scenarios might change that depending on who finishes where and what they think they need to take the next step.

 

[Mercy Seat]

I played a game with a family member over the weekend where we tried to work out trade currency for each Hawks player if they asked for a move elsewhere.

Hard to guess as it's based on needs of other clubs of which we have little understanding, but I'd be suggesting...

2 x 1-10: Lewis, Newcombe
1-9: Sicily
10-18: Day, Jiath, Ward, Mitchell, Moore, DGB
19-30: Wingard, O'Meara, Gunston, Worpel, Scrimshaw, Hardwick
31-40: Reeves, Koschitzke

Really struggled to agree on a number for Bramble, Nash, Hardwick, Reeves, Koschitzke.

An interesting exercise that shows where the list is in many ways. Clubs competing will always have at least half a dozen players who would have min 2 x top 10 draft pick price tags and sometimes even 3 x.

I think Lewis, Newcombe and Day might get there in the next year or so but are still a little way off.

 

[derp de derp]

We've got cash.

I reckon there's clubs that would give up a 1st for Tom Mitchell if we paid some of his wage.

What club would suit his attributes most?

I don’t believe our game style flatters him


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[Brant]

What club would suit his attributes most?

I don’t believe our game style flatters him


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IMO, a club with classy receivers & outside mids, that require an in/under guy to feed the ball out to them.

Brissie?
Richmond?
Geelong?
Essendon, of course - but I'd hate for any Hawk to have to see out their career at that dump.

 

[xmarksthespot]

An interesting exercise that shows where the list is in many ways. Clubs competing will always have at least half a dozen players who would have min 2 x top 10 draft pick price tags and sometimes even 3 x.

I think Lewis, Newcombe and Day might get there in the next year or so but are still a little way off.

I don't think there's a player in the league I wouldn't trade for 3 top ten picks. That's an insane price.

 

[Brant]

I don't think there's a player in the league I wouldn't trade for 3 top ten picks. That's an insane price.

I can't think of a player that I'd pay 3x 1sts for, let alone 3x Top 10 picks. It is an insane price.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

The recruitment team - GW and McKenzie in particular are responsible for those draft finds that you mentioned. Mitchell and Collins should probably be given some credit with the development of Newcombe.

Clarko is responsible for the top-up attempts, that was his decision and his direction that he wanted to take. This was clearly a mistake in hindsight and has set us back.

However what Clarko did leave behind was a good culture, and he undoubtedly helped develop players that GW and McKenzie had astutely recruited (Lewis, Morrison, Hardwick, etc).

i agree with you 100%

but my point was if you want to blame clarkson solely for list decisions post-2016 you have to take the good with the bad. you can't say he ruled list management with an iron fist but then only give credit to GW, McKenzie, Sam, Collins etc. it goes both ways and is a club-wide effort

 

[kenneje]

I don't think there's a player in the league I wouldn't trade for 3 top ten picks. That's an insane price.

The only players genuinely off limits are ones that are almost bigger than the club in terms of driving culture and setting standards.

Hodge circa 2013. Michael Voss 2001.

Edit: That's just my opinion, a well paid list manager probably makes a more calculated decision than I haha.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

We've got plenty of players who have trade currency, but with most of them the posters within these pages would want to keep.

The club WILL get queried about Lewis, CJ, Kosi, Day, Scrimshaw, DGB etc...

Posters within our board will be coming up with trades for Howe, Shiels, Brockman and Phillips...

Reality is that Wingard, Tom and JOM will have clubs that know they're available from us at the right price, it's just whether those players entertain a move, and if the club is open to trading in what the market tells them they are worth rather than hoping for the absolute best pick.

really cannot see Wingard going anywhere

 

[Howe Amazing]

I can’t see Jaeger, Chad or Titch going anywhere while contracted, more valuable than what we will get for them. Draft again this year and hopefully FA year after (and trades) where some of these guys come out of contract (I think)

 

[theiaofseed]

I don’t see us getting a top 15 pick for any of them unless we pay salary and/or offer a secondary pick, but there is lot to play out between now and trade week and any number of scenarios might change that depending on who finishes where and what they think they need to take the next step.

Brisbane should be more than willing they will get Pick 18* for McStay on current offers, that would leave them with 17, 18 which are both useless with ashcroft coming through.

Mitchell is a younger than all of Lyon, Neale, Zorko and Rich, can Brisbane really go into next year without addressing the current midfield?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

really cannot see Wingard going anywhere

Nor can I, but the question will be asked I have no doubt.

 

[chopflop]

Those top players leaving will really all be dependent on what kind of contracts the purchasing club will offer. They all have one more with us, but the security of 3 or 4 years could be enticing. This will be especially the case if they were front-ended at the hawks.

 

[Billyc]

There was no interest last year when we floated Mitchell and O’Meara and Wingard didn’t want to move.

Unless we are prepared to take significantly less, I can’t see this year being any different. Neither Mitchell nor O’Meara have increased in trade value with the extra year.

 

[theiaofseed]

There was no interest last year when we floated Mitchell and O’Meara and Wingard didn’t want to move.

Unless we are prepared to take significantly less, I can’t see this year being any different. Neither Mitchell nor O’Meara have increased in trade value with the extra year.

Clubs had no clear picture of the salary cap and the lack of under 18's played made the ND a massive gamble between 10-30, clubs were landing players into the 20's they thought would be gone in the teens.

 

[matey]

Nobody wants to jump ship ……. wearing my positive hat Sammy and the coaching group must be on the right track in creating a great environment at the club.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Will take some very creative trading to get another 1st rounder. Tom Mitchell is the one to move on but think it will be a hard sell.

Points towards us taking a FA. We need to add to the list continuously.

I'd be having a crack at McStay and turning him into a key defender.

 

[lethalselbow]

Mitchell, JOM and Wingard could all offer better teams something for sure. But to get a much prized first rounder we'd need to throw in something else.

AFL teams don't trade as aggressively as NBA or NFL teams. But we could make a few moves to try and tally picks and then use them to try and move up the order.

Reckon Mitchell could get a first rounder with the right team. I think he'd still be racking up mega stats if Sam wanted him too, but he wants him in a different role.

If JOM could play like he did vs Freo, every game, he'd go close to a late 1st rounder with a team at the pointy end. 2nd rounder.

Not sure what Wingard is worth. Sometimes he looks like gold, sometime pyrite. Hope he stays at Hawthorn long term out of those 3, though not phased if all stay. Wingard is an icing on the cake player, and right now our cake is still in the oven... only half baked.

 

[Dewwwww]

Mitchell is the most disposable one. We seem to be moving in a different direction so I’d possibly even take a second rounder if it meant being able to package it with some later picks to be able to trade for Brisbane’s first giving them points for AshCroft

That would be around picks 5, 17 and 23

 

[Topiary]

Interesting even Slobbo gets on the Geelong Worpel move. Only six months late, but the jungle drums still beat. If we got Geelongs (pick 33-34) second rounder (which would be our minimum according to a quality source) and a low second rounder or even high first for TOM, I could see us bundle them up for 10-13 at the Draft. 5,11 and 23 would be needed and nice to have.

We have trade/FA cash. We have made it clear to both McStay and Amon management, but also made it clear we won’t be used. Neither have played their hands but One will stay and the other is StKilda bound if you follow the tea leaves.

I have no reason to believe we won’t be aggressive in trying to improve the List. We were last year without any biters, I understand we will be trying our best.

 

[xmarksthespot]

Interesting even Slobbo gets on the Geelong Worpel move. Only six months late, but the jungle drums still beat. If we got Geelongs (pick 33-34) second rounder (which would be our minimum according to a quality source) and a low second rounder or even high first for TOM, I could see us bundle them up for 10-13 at the Draft. 5,11 and 23 would be needed and nice to have.

We have trade/FA cash. We have made it clear to both McStay and Amon management, but also made it clear we won’t be used. Neither have played their hands but One will (Mc)stay and the other is StKilda bound if you follow the tea leaves.

I have no reason to believe we won’t be aggressive in trying to improve the List. We were last year without any biters, I understand we will be trying our best.

I wonder if last year teams were a little scared off by uncertainty over list/salary cap sizes with COVID-19. Could be a better situation this year with teams having a little more visibility.

P.S. I mean, it was right there...

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Mitchell, JOM and Wingard could all offer better teams something for sure. But to get a much prized first rounder we'd need to throw in something else.

AFL teams don't trade as aggressively as NBA or NFL teams. But we could make a few moves to try and tally picks and then use them to try and move up the order.

I would hope our ability to pay for salary cap space would be enticing.

Surely asking for a first rounder from Freo or Brissie for JOM or TOM; and say we will cover the first $500k of their salaries for the next two years would get a deal done?

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Topiary JOM and or Mitchell would have to hang on until they're 33/34 if they're to be part of our next contending team so it's stretch.

Worpel, well he knows if he will even be a permanent fixture in the best 22 moving forward.