Lloyd gone.

[Anjahads]

He's been taking cheap shots at smaller blokes his whole career, whilst simultaneously crumpling at the softest touch of any defender.

You talking about Maxwell?

 

[theGimp]

Stupid act Matty with finals next week.

We wouldnt be playing at all if he didnt perform such a stupid act.
Best on ground.

 

[QuietHawk]

No contact. If he had connected it would have been a bad incident and he would have gone for 8-10.



Have a go at providing me a detailed example of each players sniping. Go on.



Just repeating the BF line are you? It's lazy stuff and factually incorrect.

Lloyd's got form but dances between the raindrops. One of the guys he got was Campbell Brown (Brown done for retailiating), broke Thurgood's jaw with his arm guard (no case to answer). Add the "simulations" to it and you have a good player who's reputation exceeds his deeds.

If Franklin is now the yardstick, all hawks fans want is Lloyd to get his fair whack too.

Speak for yourself. I am not going through 37 pages but as far as i am concerned the same arguments that should have gotten Buddy Franklin off should get Lloyd off. Yes, the contact was much more severe imo but Lloydy had as little time as Buddy to make his decision, his intent was clearly the ball right to the last milisecond and the contact was not intentional. However with the rules as they stand & using the Buddy decision as a yardstick if the AFL want to retain ANY credability he must go for 4 weeks. I am no Lloyd fan by any stretch of the imagination, but i am still saddened by the fact that he will miss weeks for this bump.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

What rubbish. He ran straight at the contest to give an aggressive physical presence. Good on him. But he couldn't predict 5 seconds in advance where that would be, who would have the ball and where Sewell's head would be.

The rule is designed so that you are responsible for your actions. You cant line a guy when he is going for the ball and then claim accidental contact when you break his jaw.

 

[QuietB]

What rubbish. He ran straight at the contest to give an aggressive physical presence. Good on him. But he couldn't predict 5 seconds in advance where that would be, who would have the ball and where Sewell's head would be. There's no a whole lot that separates a fair bump from one that injures someone. Buddy's was no different.

Someone got hurt and it happened to be one of you players. It's part of the game, suck it up. "Intent to cause maximum damage?" You've been watching too much Judge Judy

What was he still doing running at full pace straight over the top of the ball - not once having got his hands down to actually try and pick it up or contest it. I doubt he was even looking at it.

You are #$&%ing deluded if you think that was accidental. It doesn't matter anyway. Contact is front on to a player with his head over the ball - he will get his right whack.

I actually hope he gets off, bombers win their fisrt final and he gets to run off the line through Ablett with his head over the ball. I am sure you will be all for it.

 

[smelly cat]

We wouldnt be playing at all if he didnt perform such a stupid act.
Best on ground.

I agree. You guys were getting touched up. Went into the middle to create a physical presence. Terrible that someone got hurt, but that's footy. He won you the game, NOT because he knocked someone out- players get injured all the time. It was because he intimidated the hawks, the bombers lifted and got more physical with his example. Captain's knock.

 

[favourites]

No contact. If he had connected it would have been a bad incident and he would have gone for 8-10.



Have a go at providing me a detailed example of each players sniping. Go on.



Just repeating the BF line are you? It's lazy stuff and factually incorrect.

I really dont have time to get in an argument, but you really contradicted yourself with point one and point three.

And you forget the 07 final series.

Campbell Brown, Luke Hodge, Shane Crawford, and Jordan Lewis all suspended. Then add Mitchells attempted snipe in the GF, and Lewis' continual punch to the guts of opponents. Lets not forget Brown against the roos earlier in the year on Wells. The list goes on and on.

Dont forget Simon Taylors kneeing and Renofs striking Selwood. Hodge striking Deledio.

The list goes on and on....

Mcgylnn also got 4 weeks last year for rough play didnt he?

 

[slumhawk]

Re: Matthew Loyd Gone

pinched hit a flag mate.

oh is that right, and pumped your mob in the Prelim when you farewelled a champ with everything to win for, how about you pull your head in until you can show us some silverware. Hawks = winning culture Saints = losing culture, change that around and just maybe people will respect you, until then you remain a club that chokes and under achieves.

 

[Hahndozer]

i liked how lloyd was quick to escape the brawl

Considering no hawk player was up to having a go at him, why should he stick around?

He will go for it, but it turned the game and the bombers ultimately made the finals. Job done.

Don't understand all the Lloyd hate. He has been a champion and is far from soft. Sewell may be shorter than him (as are 80% of the players on the field), but he's still not exactly an easy target.

 

[Packman 5]

Re: The difference between the Lloyd and Franklin bumps

One was delivered at the body - the other was all jaw.

Seriously for those moaning about hypocrisy and double standards etc., get a clue or develop some objectivity.

The intent and execution of both acts do not even share the same postcode.

One guy was trying to miss the head, the other through a lack of co-ordination or common sense, was gunning for it.

Just a little bit touchy aren't we.I thought you blokes introduced and were proud of "unsociable football" Sounds a bit sooky la la to me.SCOREBOARD

 

[Messenger]

I really dont have time to get in an argument, but you really contradicted yourself with point one and point three.

Just enough time to post nonsense. No contradiction at all.

And you forget the 07 final series.

Campbell Brown, Luke Hodge, Shane Crawford, and Jordan Lewis all suspended. Then add Mitchells attempted snipe in the GF, and Lewis' continual punch to the guts of opponents. Lets not forget Brown against the roos earlier in the year on Wells. The list goes on and on.

Dont forget Simon Taylors kneeing and Renofs striking Selwood. Hodge striking Deledio.

The list goes on and on....

Your just listing the time Hawks players. Four of those suspensions are from one game. Lewis only got reported because Danielle Pratt stooged; where was Dean Polo's call from the MRP in Rd. 21 btw.

Simon Taylor is clumsy, the rest are three incidents from the last 2 seasons.

Not much of a pattern of sniping there, eh?

 

[The Fireman]

Speak for yourself. I am not going through 37 pages but as far as i am concerned the same arguments that should have gotten Buddy Franklin off should get Lloyd off. Yes, the contact was much more severe imo but Lloydy had as little time as Buddy to make his decision, his intent was clearly the ball right to the last milisecond and the contact was not intentional. However with the rules as they stand & using the Buddy decision as a yardstick if the AFL want to retain ANY credability he must go for 4 weeks. I am no Lloyd fan by any stretch of the imagination, but i am still saddened by the fact that he will miss weeks for this bump.

Ladies and gentlemen , here we have a rational ,honest and level headed Hawk fan. Mate you must feel like a stranger on here.

 

[smelly cat]

What was he still doing running at full pace straight over the top of the ball - not once having got his hands down to actually try and pick it up or contest it. I doubt he was even looking at it.

You are #$&%ing deluded if you think that was accidental. It doesn't matter anyway. Contact is front on to a player with his head over the ball - he will get his right whack.

I actually hope he gets off, bombers win their fisrt final and he gets to run off the line through Ablett with his head over the ball. I am sure you will be all for it.

What? You can't run at full pace at the ball carrier any more? Sewell was in possession and Lloyd went the bump. That much was intentional. The extent of the injury was not. And I think you are applying the use of the term, "head over the ball" a little liberally. He was in possession, about to take off.

As for Ablett, I've seen him lay out players before. What goes around comes around. It's part of the game. Don't get sore about it.

 

[Packman 5]

Re: The difference between the Lloyd and Franklin bumps

I'll bet you change your mind when you see the replay. Cowardly

 

[QuietB]

Re: The difference between the Lloyd and Franklin bumps

Just a little bit touchy aren't we.I thought you blokes introduced and were proud of "unsociable football" Sounds a bit sooky la la to me.SCOREBOARD

You essendon bitches just dont get it do you. When the game was tough and Sewell was tearing you a new one essendon were no where to be seen. That is not unsociable footy - just the scum not being good enought to play hard contested inside footy.

So you snipe Sewell out of the game, hawks are down to 2 on the bench with Hodge playing massively injured, the game turns into an outside recievers convention, and guess what - the bombers start to get on top.

Adelaide will absolutely smash you next week. Hawks didn't have the cattle to get the job done yesterday - hawks haven't had the cattle all year.

There is a very big difference between hard, inside contested footy and out and out SNIPING.

Essendon are freewheeling frontrunning sniping scum. Who is going to do the sniping next week? It wont be Lloyd.

 

[smelly cat]

The rule is designed so that you are responsible for your actions. You cant line a guy when he is going for the ball and then claim accidental contact when you break his jaw.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be rubbed out according to the rules- he should be. Lloyd went the bump deliberately, made head high contact. Case closed.

It's just part of the game though, it happens time to time and I don't understand the level of vitriol aimed at the guy. There have been heaps of worse incidents in recent memory that haven't caused this much controversy.

 

[QuietB]

What? You can't run at full pace at the ball carrier any more? Sewell was in possession and Lloyd went the bump. That much was intentional. The extent of the injury was not. And I think you are applying the use of the term, "head over the ball" a little liberally. He was in possession, about to take off.

As for Ablett, I've seen him lay out players before. What goes around comes around. It's part of the game. Don't get sore about it.

have you got any idea?

Sewell was in possession and Lloyd went the bump. That much was intentional.
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Hope your not lloyd's defence lawyer. You do know that the only contact was with Sewell's head right?

 

[favourites]

Just enough time to post nonsense. No contradiction at all.



Your just listing the time Hawks players. Four of those suspensions are from one game. Lewis only got reported because Danielle Pratt stooged; where was Dean Polo's call from the MRP in Rd. 21 btw.

Simon Taylor is clumsy, the rest are three incidents from the last 2 seasons.

Not much of a pattern of sniping there, eh?

I said you won a flag by it. Did you win the flag this year? no. Over a less than a two year period you have at least 10 that I can remember. How many consitutes a pattern?

You wanted examples of the hawks cheap shots and sniping. I gave them.

They were all cheap shots and all got suspended, minus the brown one.

Hawthorn won a flag by playing unsociable football. Just because the foot was on the other boot you can't cry foul.

 

[campbell]

Considering no hawk player was up to having a go at him, why should he stick around?

He will go for it, but it turned the game and the bombers ultimately made the finals. Job done.

Don't understand all the Lloyd hate. He has been a champion and is far from soft. Sewell may be shorter than him (as are 80% of the players on the field), but he's still not exactly an easy target.

I can see there being calls for bench changes now. His job was done to take out a player, one less bench player for the Hawks , a total disadvantage to the Hawks from that minute on. Why should Essendon not have one less player on the bench, to even things up, game wise. Fairness and all that.

 

[smelly cat]

have you got any idea?

Sewell was in possession and Lloyd went the bump. That much was intentional.
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Hope your not lloyd's defence lawyer. You do know that the only contact was with Sewell's head right?

Yes I do know that. Lloyd is going to go, and according to the rules he deserves to. But I wish you would all stop acting like he's the antichrist. He laid a bump on the ball carrier, it hit Sewell's chin, it happens in footy. It looked ugly, but just deal with it, seriously. I've seen my players flattened before- remember when Soloman broke Ling's jaw?? Go U-tube it and see what you think was more premeditate. Far worse than this incident, but for some reason we are all getting righteous about Sewell. It's footy, there are thugs. Some even play for Hawthorn. Why are we all so surprised and acting like this is the first time its ever happened???

 

[Snappahead]

I've not been a fan of Lloyd as captain ever. Great goal kicker, but poor leader. He might look like a goose as her runs around with his mouth open all match, but he's certainly not a dirty player - reading the comments of Hawks supporters insinuating it is laughable.

Hawthorn has a track record of being one of the dirtiest clubs in the game. Case in point:

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Pity about Sewell getting knocked out - I hope he doesn't suffer any long term injury from it. It was unintentional, and those of you saying Lloyd lined him up are giving him too much credit. Yep, he'll probably get suspended for it...seems to be the way of the game these days.

 

[QuietHawk]

Ladies and gentlemen , here we have a rational ,honest and level headed Hawk fan. Mate you must feel like a stranger on here.

Ta mate. Watched the game with my brother (Bomber Man) and thoroughly enjoyed the contest. We came up short and his boys played well, deserved the win. The saddest thing about all this focus on the bump and aggro is that the real story is being ignored. Max Bailey's knee injury. A bloke couldn't have worse luck. Goodluck Max

 

[QuietB]

Yes I do know that. Lloyd is going to go, and according to the rules he deserves to. But I wish you would all stop acting like he's the antichrist. He laid a bump on the ball carrier, it hit Sewell's, it happens in footy. It looked ugly, but just deal with it, seriously. I've seen my players flattened before- remember when Soloman broke Ling's jaw?? Go U-tube it and see what you think was more premeditate. Far worse than this incident, but for some reason we are all getting righteous about Sewell. It's footy, there are thugs. Some even play for Hawthorn. Why are we all so surprised and acting like this is the first time its ever happened???

I dont disagree with any of that. It is part of footy.

The thing that I think is really riling hawks fans is that clearly Lloyd was a premediated act of thuggery. It may not have been deliberately aimed at Sewell (or it may have been) but it was deliberately intended to take a hawk out.

Now I can accept all the making a statement stuff and it did win the bombers the game. Well done to them.

But, that sort of sniping is not part of the game any more and it is not tough. Sure Brereton used to do it, Dipper used to do it, etc. etc. But they copped it as well - no better example than the 89' GF. When it was their turn, they put their head over the ball.

When it is Lloyd's turn he either dives looking for a free kick or just snipes someone.

The rules do not allow for it but there is a massive difference between a premediated snipe like Lloyds and Buddy's hit which was just part of play.

 

[Xtreme]

I hope he is rubbed out and the Hawthorn v Essendon game proves to be his last match as a player. What a brilliant way to go out!

 

[m0zza]

Re: Why are people even comparing lloyd's bump with buddy's bump

I think the problem with the whole thing is that people are describing it as a bump, which if looked at correctly, it simply wasn't.

Front-on collision would be more accurate. By looking at that definition, it has to be determined a different way to what a bump would be.

This!

Different incidents.
Different rules.
Different penalties.

Franklin was charged under the bump rule.

Lloyd will be charged with forceful front-on contact to the head down over the ball.

High contact.
High impact
Reckless conduct

Level 4 550 points

Five weeks down to 4 with a guilty plea.

Under the rule, Lloyd is responsible for impact to Sewell's head from
1 Lloyd arm, shoulder or torso
2 Ryder's shoulder
3 the ground