Look into the future: CYRIL vs VARCOE!

[Copernicus]

Cyril is currently the better of the two because he wins more of the ball, but I think Travis' finishing is cleaner. Cyril is a very 'creative' kick but it doesn't always come off, whereas Varcoe has a beautiful technique and almost always drills it where he wants it to go. Just needs to keep getting more of the ball, he's not quite there yet.

 

[SwanBet]

Cyril by the length of flemington racecourse.

No brainer tbh.

Cats supporters are going way over the top with varcoe, no doubt he has been good but he only averages 15 disposals and a goal and half a game, no doubt will be a good player, but will never be as good as someone like cyril... there are many that play in varcoes posi across the afl that have a much brighter future.

 

[street spirit]

Varcoe's definitely a better kick, but still seems a little clumsy at times. Tried to do a little too much at times tonight... which isn't really...natural for him. He's been outstanding this year tho. I don't think Varcoe is as relentlessly hard as Cyril yet, either, or as good decision-wise.

 

[master bate]

Rioli - Better mark, better tackler, kicks more freakish goals, better "natural footballer"

Varcoe - Faster!

Both very very good players, and I hope they can become the super midfielders that their potential points to. Varcoe has the blistering speed and fast flat kick especially when he accelerates in a straight line. Rioli has the speedy agility and class that makes people compare him to Ablett. I'd say they are superior small forwards to what Aaron Davey was at their ages, so its not unreasonable to expect them to be even better midfielders than Davey is right now, which would make them high up in the games standing of players.

 

[Scodog10]

Id take Rioli in a heartbeat, Varcoe may be ahead atm, but when it all falls into place for Jr boy he could well be the best player in the league and im very confident that at some point in the not too distant future it will all click for him.

 

[hawker92]

Cyril has that evasive ability that is just amazing to watch. His tackling is also aggressive and fierce.

Varcoe has a massive tank, can run and run and run. Seeing that Cyril is playing predominantly in the midfield now, Varcoe is more of a midfield-forward that kicks more than Cyril.

Either way, they're both fantastic players, so why not leave it at that?

 

[Vegas.]

Cyril by the length of flemington racecourse.

No brainer tbh.

Cats supporters are going way over the top with varcoe, no doubt he has been good but he only averages 15 disposals and a goal and half a game, no doubt will be a good player, but will never be as good as someone like cyril... there are many that play in varcoes posi across the afl that have a much brighter future.

You are right, Rioli's 17 disposals and 1.3 goals and 0.7 assists a game blows Varcoe's stats away (15, 1.6, 1.6 assists).....

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Would Geelong swap Varcoe for Rioli (ignoring off-field, team harmony, etc, etc). Possibly/Probably (I'll fence sit and say 50%).

Would Hawthorn swap Rioli for Varcoe? I'll be generous and say 5%.

If both went into the draft at end of season, who would clubs pick first? Almost all would pick Rioli I'd think.

Are BF posters the best judge of talent? Hell no, but it's usually somewhat reflective of "reality".

 

[Vegas.]

Would Geelong swap Varcoe for Rioli (ignoring off-field, team harmony, etc, etc). Possibly/Probably (I'll fence sit and say 50%).

Would Hawthorn swap Rioli for Varcoe? I'll be generous and say 5%.

If both went into the draft at end of season, who would clubs pick first? Almost all would pick Rioli I'd think.

Are BF posters the best judge of talent? Hell no, but it's usually somewhat reflective of "reality".

Can't disagree with that at all, but for people to say you can't even compare the two is blatantly wrong (hell, wasn't there a thread of Rioli vs Ablett not so long ago? Please.) In terms of output, they are relatively similar players, and although I rate Rioli as a better player (mainly because of his ridiculous contested ball skills), it wouldn't be a stretch to say Varcoe has had a better season.

 

[sociable hawk]

So hard to judge footballers playing for different teams. Rioli plays for my inconsistant team while Varcoe is playing for a team judged by many to be one of the best ever. I think Varcoe is full of class but also thought that Prismal was a gun at geelong and none of us could believe how he couldn't get a game for cats, but as we have seen since his move to the bombers is sometimes you only as good as whom is around you. Hence the old saying. "A champion team will always beat a team of champions".

 

[Hawkinspired]

Varcoe has become a great player and i would certainly like him on our side, however in the case of Rioli, he was a great player from his first game.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Different types of player. Varcoe is a really powerful little unit who is a very polished finisher.

Haven't seen him set up a lot of play from further afield as he tends to play deep. He's one of those guys where you just know he'll have an impact when he's around the ball. Ultimatley reliable disposal and great tackling.

Cyril's main asset is his creativity. He creates space aroudn himself with little shimmies and dodges. His tackling is all about technique rather than power. His ability to influence a game with less than 15 disposals is as good as anyone's i've seen. I'd say his finishing skills around goal aren't as good as Varcoe's.

Interesting comparison, but I'll take Cyril due to his ability to invent scoring opportunities for his team mates and himself.

 

[illnino]

Fox Sports 1 now ......There is no comparison. Varcoe was average for most of the game last night.

 

[WeetBixKid]

Varcoe just keeps impressing me more & more. Has just had a fantastic year & has become a real gamebreaker.

Still rate Cyril higher, but Varcoe will continue to improve & is turning into an absolute gun.

 

[Hodgepodge]

No offense but Varcoe is more your Mitch Robinson, Alwyn Davey type.

He plays the same sort of role that Campbell Brown has played for us in the forward line. A chasing opportunist forward.

Cyril Rioli is all class, and showed it again today.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Varcoe is hampered by a lack of belief in his own ability.

Which is why he calls himself LeBron James

 

[MinerBoy]

Varcoe has taken his game to another level this year and it's great to see.
He has the skills, poise and smarts. A bigger tank and he could well move into the category of elite.

No doubt whatsoever he will be challenging Rioli in the next year or two.

And therein lies the crux of the matter. Considering the stages of their careers and talent of their teams, it should be Cyril who should be needing to improve to challenge Varcoe. That Cyril is already ahead and is also still improving rapidly, really demonstrates who is the better player now and who is likely to be the better player in the future.

 

[QuietB]

Comparing Varcoe to Mitch Robinson is a bit harsh HP! Varcoe can actually play and is a jet and is improving all the time. Rioli is as well.

 

[SNAITHY]

They look not too dis similar......about where comparison ends for me. Wouldn't swap C.R for Varcoe, Ablett or any other player from any other team. He is still a baby and will be the most amazing footballer in the years to come. He is grounded and humble, modelling himself on his uncles.....not labelling himself with the moniker of an American basketballer. That in itself speaks volumes for what you can expect from Varco in the future. Good footballer yes, but older than and still a long way behind Cyril.

 

[Vegas.]

Mate, Varcoe doesn't call himself LeBron, the other Geelong players do. Don't listen to what HP says, 99% of it is fabrication.

Wouldn't swap Rioli for Ablett? Do you ever wonder why people call Rioli overrated?

 

[Wish Wellingtons]

I think both players are vastly over rated, Varcoe has far better disposal though goes missing far too often in my opinion. Neither player has great ball finding ability, but this can develop.

Not sure what all the fuss is about to be honest.

 

[The Casey Cat]

I think both players are vastly over rated, Varcoe has far better disposal though goes missing far too often in my opinion. Neither player has great ball finding ability, but this can develop.

Not sure what all the fuss is about to be honest.

Tend to agree. I never thought I would say this but Trav is being a little overrated right now. He is improving and has scope to be a star but he is not there yet. He is not close enough to it yet to suspect he will necessarily get there either. I will say I am more confident in him getting to this level now than at the same time last year though.

Cyril is also a bit overrated but has done more than Varcoe, continues to do more than Varcoe and is also improving.

 

[blackhead&boil]

varcoe has been impressive this season. every time I've seen him he's done some great things. certainly much more dangerous than he has been in previous years and with less errors.

that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if rioli started using the force to choke his opponents and summon the ball towards him with his mind. his abilities are absolutely unbelievable and I think he is one of th most valuable players at hawthorn.

not a bad comparison, but I think rioli will continue to be a more influential player than varcoe...

 

[sr36]

I think both players are vastly over rated, Varcoe has far better disposal though goes missing far too often in my opinion. Neither player has great ball finding ability, but this can develop.

Not sure what all the fuss is about to be honest.

Times two.

 

[Fastback]

I like Varcoe as a player, silky, clean, quick and a good disposer of the pill. He has definitely improved and playing career best footy.
Rioli is fantastic when the ball comes to him, whether one on one or winning it in the middle but needs to do more to get into positions where he also becomes a frequent link option. He is slowly improving this side of his game and once he does, on a consistent basis, there won't be too many out there more damaging over the course of a game. He is a beauty.