Look into the future: CYRIL vs VARCOE!

[Roby]

Varcoe is a young 22, and had a long and debilitating foot injury which caused him to miss almost his entire pre-draft season. Has had troublesome shoulders his entire career, and missed preseason and early games this year through a thumb injury.

Rioli is good enough for you to not have to make excuses for him like this.

A thumb injury is not like a groin injury. Actually if you remember after he came back from injury from RD6, Varoce's form the following month was better than recently.

Rioli on the other hand has steadily improved all year.

You will find if both are fit next year a gap will start to appear.

Absolute bollocks. Varcoe is every bit as skillful as Rioli, and his disposal is considerably better. It's clear to see.

Were talking about pure skill. Rioli can do screw kicks around the corner of his body off one-step and at distance, something Varoce struggles to do. Varcoe needs more space in order to execute. I already said that at the moment Varcoe is a better 'decision maker' when delivering the ball inside 50. In terms of technique Rioli is definitely better. Maybe you don't know what the difference is or maybe you don't watch many Hawthorn games, either way I doubt can't help you more than this.

Impressive hyperbole.

I know, and accurate.

 

[Roby]

Burto do you actually think Ablett is quicker than Rioli?

Ablett has never tackled Rioli but we can't say the same vice versa. Ablett is one of the hardest players in the league to tackle because of his core strength but when Rioli gets hold of him he manages... to hold him. Extraordinary strength.

I'd say Ablett has stronger in the hips but Rioli is stronger in the arms. I'd say it's almost dead even in strength but will go with Ablett due to core strength been used more than arm strength.

Skill Rioli wins. Not by much but Rioli's ability to screw a kick around his body like Steve Johnson or Alan Didak gives him the edge. Don't be fooled by the fact Ablett executes correctly more often. Otherwise I could say that Darren Milburn and Thomas Murphy are the most skillful players at theier clubs as they turn it over the least. Rioli can pinpoint technically more difficult passes than Ablett and at higher speeds. Maybe you need to have kicked an oval ball to realise the nuances in kicking as I think some people use stats or rudimentry aesthetics to gauge someone's kicking ability.

 

[Bring back Moloney]

Burto do you actually think Ablett is quicker than Rioli?

Ablett has never tackled Rioli but we can't say the same vice versa. Ablett is one of the hardest players in the league to tackle because of his core strength but when Rioli gets hold of him he manages... to hold him. Extraordinary strength.

I'd say Ablett has stronger in the hips but Rioli is stronger in the arms. I'd say it's almost dead even in strength but will go with Ablett due to core strength been used more than arm strength.

Skill Rioli wins. Not by much but Rioli's ability to screw a kick around his body like Steve Johnson or Alan Didak gives him the edge. Don't be fooled by the fact Ablett executes correctly more often. Otherwise I could say that Darren Milburn and Thomas Murphy are the most skillful players at theier clubs as they turn it over the least. Rioli can pinpoint technically more difficult passes than Ablett and at higher speeds. Maybe you need to have kicked an oval ball to realise the nuances in kicking as I think some people use stats or rudimentry aesthetics to gauge someone's kicking ability.

I don't doubt what you're saying, but let's not focus too much on Ablett/Rioli comparisons, because Ablett will always win.

Cyril has a long way to go before he overtakes Gary.

 

[burto]

Roby, Rioli is probably quicker in space. But stronger arms than Gary? And more skillful? Surely you are taking the piss there.

No doubt Rioli has great skills and is a very "tricky" type player. But keep in mind Gary inhereted his skills from the most skillful player of all time.

My response was aimed at your comment that there is nobody as quick, strong or skillful as Rioli. There is.

And yes suprisingly I have kicked an oval ball before...

 

[tazhawk]

LOL @ this Bay 13 Hawks vs Cats bitchslap flight. There do seem to be a lot of posters comparing the two - they just all happen to be Cats supporters. Varcoe is definitely a gun outside player with a decent boot on him. Rioli is superior in the following areas:

-tackling
- hitting targets
- getting out of traffic/avoiding tackles
- winning one on one contests
- marking overhead/in general
- kicking at goal
- handball.

Other than that, fair comparison.

There we have it in a nutshell........... by a neutral.

End thread/

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Were talking about pure skill. Rioli can do screw kicks around the corner of his body off one-step and at distance, something Varoce struggles to do. Varcoe needs more space in order to execute. I already said that at the moment Varcoe is a better 'decision maker' when delivering the ball inside 50. In terms of technique Rioli is definitely better. Maybe you don't know what the difference is or maybe you don't watch many Hawthorn games, either way I doubt can't help you more than this.

I know, and accurate.

Burto do you actually think Ablett is quicker than Rioli?

Ablett has never tackled Rioli but we can't say the same vice versa. Ablett is one of the hardest players in the league to tackle because of his core strength but when Rioli gets hold of him he manages... to hold him. Extraordinary strength.

I'd say Ablett has stronger in the hips but Rioli is stronger in the arms. I'd say it's almost dead even in strength but will go with Ablett due to core strength been used more than arm strength.

Skill Rioli wins. Not by much but Rioli's ability to screw a kick around his body like Steve Johnson or Alan Didak gives him the edge. Don't be fooled by the fact Ablett executes correctly more often. Otherwise I could say that Darren Milburn and Thomas Murphy are the most skillful players at theier clubs as they turn it over the least. Rioli can pinpoint technically more difficult passes than Ablett and at higher speeds. Maybe you need to have kicked an oval ball to realise the nuances in kicking as I think some people use stats or rudimentry aesthetics to gauge someone's kicking ability.

You're a crackup Rioli's ability to screw a kick around his body gives him the edge, despite his inability to kick a non-screw kick.

Maybe you need to grow up and start questioning the things your dad tells you about all the Hawthorn players being the best in the competition, at this or that.

 

[tazhawk]

Maybe you need to grow up and start questioning the things your dad tells you about all the Hawthorn players being the best in the competition, at this or that.

Pot Kettle Black.

 

[MinerBoy]

No doubt Rioli has great skills and is a very "tricky" type player. But keep in mind Gary inhereted his skills from the most skillful player of all time...

His father was Darren Jarman

 

[MinerBoy]

There we have it in a nutshell........... by a neutral.

End thread/

LOL at you claiming Bayer as a neutral.

 

[Skeppersap]

Burto do you actually think Ablett is quicker than Rioli?

Ablett has never tackled Rioli but we can't say the same vice versa. Ablett is one of the hardest players in the league to tackle because of his core strength but when Rioli gets hold of him he manages... to hold him. Extraordinary strength.

I'd say Ablett has stronger in the hips but Rioli is stronger in the arms. I'd say it's almost dead even in strength but will go with Ablett due to core strength been used more than arm strength.

Skill Rioli wins. Not by much but Rioli's ability to screw a kick around his body like Steve Johnson or Alan Didak gives him the edge. Don't be fooled by the fact Ablett executes correctly more often. Otherwise I could say that Darren Milburn and Thomas Murphy are the most skillful players at theier clubs as they turn it over the least. Rioli can pinpoint technically more difficult passes than Ablett and at higher speeds. Maybe you need to have kicked an oval ball to realise the nuances in kicking as I think some people use stats or rudimentry aesthetics to gauge someone's kicking ability.

hahahaha!

Seriously, what a tosser. It should be obvious from your comparison that Rioli is better than Ablett!

You are a joke.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Burto do you actually think Ablett is quicker than Rioli?

Ablett has never tackled Rioli but we can't say the same vice versa. Ablett is one of the hardest players in the league to tackle because of his core strength but when Rioli gets hold of him he manages... to hold him. Extraordinary strength.

I'd say Ablett has stronger in the hips but Rioli is stronger in the arms. I'd say it's almost dead even in strength but will go with Ablett due to core strength been used more than arm strength.

Skill Rioli wins. Not by much but Rioli's ability to screw a kick around his body like Steve Johnson or Alan Didak gives him the edge. Don't be fooled by the fact Ablett executes correctly more often. Otherwise I could say that Darren Milburn and Thomas Murphy are the most skillful players at theier clubs as they turn it over the least. Rioli can pinpoint technically more difficult passes than Ablett and at higher speeds. Maybe you need to have kicked an oval ball to realise the nuances in kicking as I think some people use stats or rudimentry aesthetics to gauge someone's kicking ability.

This is hilarious. Perhaps you mean Rioli is better than G ABlett senior. Why not throw in Royce hart, Leigh Matthews and Bobby Skilton too.

Just out of interest, do you actually believe your shyte?

 

[Hodgepodge]

Probs cos he looks like LeBron, maybe?



But no, I'm sure he invented his own nickname, cos that's what everybody does.

Calls himself Black Flash on a social networking site, Le Bron James to his friends, and wears Gary Ablett's old number. But he's actually lacking in confidence you say?

 

[Hodgepodge]

The comparison between Varcoe and Rioli is just as ridiculous as Rioli is so many levels ahead of Varcoe.

Varcoe is an improved player, but he's nowhere near as good as Rioli.

 

[maryjames]

In 2 to 3 years Varcoe will be a great midfielder whilst Cyril will always be a forward type player. To small to be a true midfielder his small frame won't hold up..So in saying that with they way varcoe is improving he will be more valuable for the Cats then the small forward Rioli with the odd stints in the middle will be for Hawthorn.

 

[Lurkalot]

In 2 to 3 years Varcoe will be a great midfielder whilst Cyril will always be a forward type player. To small to be a true midfielder his small frame won't hold up..So in saying that with they way varcoe is improving he will be more valuable for the Cats then the small forward Rioli with the odd stints in the middle will be for Hawthorn.

Brent Harvey, Mitchell, Bateman, Cousins, Montagna, Kerr and Akermanis say hi.

 

[maryjames]

Brent Harvey, Mitchell, Bateman, Cousins, Montagna, Kerr and Akermanis say hi.

All those players you mention have bigger frames and are better footballers.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

All those players you mention have bigger frames and are better footballers.

even then, Kerr is not a great example of a smaller body being able to cut it in the midfield. He's played like 1 game in the last 20 years.

 

[cancat]

So...

Gary Ablett snr was better than Leigh Matthews.

Gary Ablett jnr is better than Cyril Rioli.

Cyril Rioli is better than Travis Varcoe.

Everyone happy with that?

 

[tazhawk]

So...

Gary Ablett snr was better than Leigh Matthews.

Gary Ablett jnr is better than Cyril Rioli.

Cyril Rioli is better than Travis Varcoe.

Everyone happy with that?

1. wrong.

2. Right ATM.

3. correct.

 

[Hawka19]

I think Cyril will have a better all-round game than Varcoe. But you guys should be happy with Travis. It's quite obvious to see he had a hell of a preseason and will numb the pain should you lose Gablett.

 

[HeHateMe]

IMO, i think both have potential to become top 10 players.
Rioli being the more likely one.
also IMO Rioli is only around a year away from breaking in to the top 20
where Varcoe needs a bit more time.

 

[alfy!]

The comparison between Varcoe and Rioli is just as ridiculous as Rioli is so many levels ahead of Varcoe.

Varcoe is an improved player, but he's nowhere near as good as Rioli.

haha can't say i'm surprised that the idiotic podgepodge can't read the thread title correctly

obviously rioli is better at the moment, but we are looking into the future

 

[hawkstars]

What a suprise there's a bunch of Hawks screaming like they've never heard anything so absurd! Idiots.

No one is claiming that Varcoe is better than Rioli right now. Obviously Cyril is proven more at THIS POINT in time. The basis of this thread is the future! To predict which player will become the better player.

But I expect all Hawthorn supporters to still be crying regardless. How dare anyone talk about their sacred team of champions.

1. Your right. It is an absurd statement. Rioli right now and in the future who knows? But I will take a punt on Rioli. Good finisher, freaky and plays well when the team is flying and not. Think with bit more time in the system he will get even better. Scary.
2. Comments like this should be reserved for the bay.

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

What a suprise there's a bunch of Hawks screaming like they've never heard anything so absurd! Idiots.

No one is claiming that Varcoe is better than Rioli right now. Obviously Cyril is proven more at THIS POINT in time. The basis of this thread is the future! To predict which player will become the better player.

But I expect all Hawthorn supporters to still be crying regardless. How dare anyone talk about their sacred team of champions.

But its a silly thread.
What did you expect?

One is both better and younger as it is.

Both will improve as time goes on.

Logic would suggest that the younger one, who is already better, will remain so

 

[Lurkalot]

All those players you mention have bigger frames

Only a 20yo, at the start of the season Rioli was 177cm and 80kgs.

More than comparable with mature players - Mitchell (179cm/83kgs), Bateman (175/75), Cousins (179/78), Montagna (178/78), Kerr (178/80) and Akermanis (177/83)

The smallest midfielder of the lot, Brent Harvey (172cm/75kg), just played his 300th, flog.

even then, Kerr is not a great example of a smaller body being able to cut it in the midfield. He's played like 1 game in the last 20 years.

DRawing a long bow blaming his recent hamstring and groin injuries because of his smaller stature.