Autopsy Loss to Sydney - quite literally no words will adequately sum this up

[Mav]

Right-o. I’ve come to the conclusion that it was an absolute master stroke in the art of tanking.

Clarko the genius, even when he’s not there.

 

[Mav]

I thought that CCJ showed some promise yesterday

Showed promise? He showed he belongs.

 

[Disco Dew]

Showed promise? He showed he belongs.

100%. I don’t want to see him out of the side again.

 

[chubbspeterson]

I believe we were told. However, Shiels cramp was just bad luck and an extra player got sucked in. It was just terrible luck but we have to wear it. Sometimes, sh1t happens. Unfortunately, we’re getting a decade’s worth in half a season.


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Oh I'm talking more the fans that it should be communicated to. Stuff happens in the chaos. Not angry at the club or anything, mistakes happen.
I think if the AFL communicates it to the fans there wouldn't have been the bottles thrown etc as everyone would've known what was going on.
To me its amateurish. Get an AFL official on a stadium mic or something. Know what I mean?

 

[Mcarcherey]

I thought it was interesting we had our best forward pressure game in ages and the Bull wasn’t playing. I love Cam, favourite player by a mile but apart from the big first efforts it not often he gives you a second or a third. It might sound crazy but defensively he is a liability in the front half.

Not really, lays absolute ripper tackles and bumps and kicks goals from nothing that gets the whole team up.

We got close today because the mids ran both ways and put on elite pressure. Cam has kicked 2-3 goals with 20+ in games we've lost by 10 goals in, absolutely elite for a forward whose mids weren't performing.

I know many try to connect dots to figure out why we performed today and not other games, zurhaar not being there today is not the reason. Spicer did sfa, replace him with zurhaar and we win by 4 goals.

The reason is simple, we outnumbered them in the contest. The elite pressure allowed us to reverse the turnovers we usually give up at half forward. Sydney were undermanned in defense, big contested marks by ccj+ Sydney coughing it up under pressure in defense = almost a win

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[GeordieRoo]

Thoughts the day after, overall glad I went. The noise, passion and spirit were back in the stands yesterday. It’s that old question, do the players inspire the supporters or do the supporters inspire the players? It was a bit of both yesterday, and the atmosphere was back.

Umpiring aside (5-7 goal advantage to the Swans over the course of the game) we were always losing that. I’m not dwelling on the interchange thing as they’d have got a winner anyway. It is so ingrained in us, 2+ goal leads, late, generally mean a loss. I mean Rds 1 (probably a bigger lead earlier) and 2 (couple of seconds more and we likely lose) were the same. It is ingrained.

So I hope the kids - Sheezel, Wardlaw and co learn from that feeling walking off and resolve to change it, as the ones before them aren’t capable of it.

Plenty of positives in the performance but a 100pt loss next week puts us back two steps again. It never ends.

 

[Passmore]

Right-o. I’ve come to the conclusion that it was an absolute master stroke in the art of tanking.

Clarko the genius, even when he’s not there.

****...we look like winning...what can we do?

Interchange infringement?

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[William Caresser]

We took a big step towards addressing the culture of lazy, selfish individualism that has plagued the club for 3 years. One young guy comes in and shows how to play team-first football. He did so many selfless things and in a smart way - ran at angles to provide chop outs for other onballers, all his pressure acts had a real impact. Giving the ball to others to release them. No selfishness about his game at all.

He showed how we should be playing as a side - Ratten basically said that.

The side can go one of two ways now - it can follow Wardlaw's example (Harry's too) or it can revert back into the selfish, individual style where guys try to do too much instead of releasing others, try to kick low percentage goals and most of all, don't work hard enough without the ball.

In one game this debutant has shown up the prevailing, lazy culture. He's going to inspire other young players and shame the mid to older guys to working much harder and stop being so freakin selfish.

 

[Nate7]

Girls l go with reported those blokes 3 times. He was mates with the security !

I'll ask again. Why were those seats ( Schimma club ) members reserved seats marked with green seat covers on the aisle as " general admission " ? Been in that same seat 22 years. Never seen it before.

Aisle 28 with the leaking roof and loose units.
Definitely learned a few new phrases, as did junior.

 

[discodaddy]

I still cannot get over the fact we were beaten by an admin error. A fuggin admin error.

I’m not even angry about that interchange clusterf*** . It was some weird symmetry that it should happen to us.

I’m more concerned about the putrid umpiring that preceded it.

 

[Kanga Glory]

Don't ask me why, but I just watched corn on the afl website. After the extra interchange we tried to rectify it by having Powell come back off and shiels back on, so they were saying it should have been another shot at goal for the swans as it was a 77th interchange

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Still feel agitated over the overall standard of umpiring, which is rare for me as I usually get over it within a few hours. The lack of accountability agitates me the most.

In saying that, I feel a lot better about the state of the list after fantastic performances at both levels. Our kids are the ones driving improvement and standards, and were the ones that made a good swans midfield look second rate for long periods. Wardlaw, Sheez, Ford, Phillips, Powell, Spicer and CCJ all showed a lot and drove our improved performance. Then you have Laz getting 30+ in the vfl and Harvey getting 5 goals and 20 disposals. Add a decent msd player and a few early picks in the main draft and I think we will start getting rewarded, regardless of the umps.

Maybe the list isn’t in as bad of shape as many of us think.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Don't ask me why, but I just watched corn on the afl website. After the extra interchange we tried to rectify it by having Powell come back off and shiels back on, so they were saying it should have been another shot at goal for the swans as it was a 77th interchange

It was a reversal of the 76th. As supposed experts, they should have known that.

 

[Outtatym]

I thought that CCJ showed some promise yesterday

Clunked everything that came his way. Similar to half our list, it's all about confidence with him. Hopefully he can build on it again next week

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Still feel agitated over the overall standard of umpiring, which is rare for me as I usually get over it within a few hours. The lack of accountability agitates me the most.

In saying that, I feel a lot better about the state of the list after fantastic performances at both levels. Our kids are the ones driving improvement and standard and were the ones that made a good swags midfield look second rate for long periods. Wardlaw, Sheez, Ford, Phillips, Powell, Spicer and CCJ all showed a lot and drove our improved performance. Then you have Laz getting 30+ in the vfl and Harvey getting 5 gowns and 20 disposals. Add a decent msd player and a few early picks in the main draft and I think we will start getting rewarded, regardless of the umps.

Maybe the list isn’t in as bad of shape as many of us think.

I agree with all of this. Everything we did minus the actual result was so encouraging. But I would like to add: we still have no KPP depth. I want Watson at year's end as much as the next person, but we really need to be bringing in KPP depth over the next 24 months.

 

[DaveyBoy123]

Still feel agitated over the overall standard of umpiring, which is rare for me as I usually get over it within a few hours. The lack of accountability agitates me the most.

Me too. I saw enough in Round-1 to tell me that it's because of the 4 umpires. It was also obvious yesterday, especially in ruck interpretations.

It's twofold:

- Testing the depth of the umpire ranks too much - so each week there is statistically 1 umpire that would not have got a game previously.
&
- Increases the inconsistency between umpire interpreations leading to similar situations in the same game being adjudicated differently.

 

[Outtatym]

Of our inside mids/ruckmen (with centre clearance attendances being an indicator of time playing on ball):

Simpkin - 26 attendances - 21 pressure acts - 5 tackles
Greenwood - 18 attendances - 26 pressure acts - 8 tackles -
Philips - 23 attendances - 14 pressure acts - 4 tackles
Wardlaw - 18 attendances - 31 pressure acts - 9 tackles
Sheezel - 11 attendances - 18 pressure acts - 5 tackles
Goldstein - 26 attendances - 14 pressure acts - 1 tackle
Coleman-Jones - 6 attendances - 10 pressure acts - 5 tackles

Thirty ****ing one. Animal

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Me too. I saw enough in Round-1 to tell me that it's because of the 4 umpires. It was also obvious yesterday, especially in ruck interpretations.

It's twofold:

- Testing the depth of the umpire ranks too much - so each week there is statistically 1 umpire that would not have got a game previously.
&
- Increases the inconsistency between umpire interpreations leading to similar situations in the same game being adjudicated differently.

Simply, they need to be paid and trained full time with an element of accountability.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Of our inside mids/ruckmen (with centre clearance attendances being an indicator of time playing on ball):

Simpkin - 26 attendances - 21 pressure acts - 5 tackles
Greenwood - 18 attendances - 26 pressure acts - 8 tackles -
Philips - 23 attendances - 14 pressure acts - 4 tackles
Wardlaw - 18 attendances - 31 pressure acts - 9 tackles
Sheezel - 11 attendances - 18 pressure acts - 5 tackles
Goldstein - 26 attendances - 14 pressure acts - 1 tackle
Coleman-Jones - 6 attendances - 10 pressure acts - 5 tackles

I expect those pressure numbers from Greenwood and Wardlaw, but not Sheezel. Pre-draft, I didn’t expect Sheezel to be as good as he is at the defensive, tackling and contested stuff. A quiet competitor.

 

[ansonholt]

I think its pretty well proven now that we can only have 2 of the 3 in the backline at the same time. McKay and Logue worked beautifully. Logue and Corr excellent. All 3.... Shmutz

McKay and Logue are learning how to play together. That was always going to take time. I think yesterday was easily the best they have looked and worked together all season.

 

[Sillygit]

Yes. Got home at 11.15. Listening to * storm home in the car was really good.

yeaaaaa that capped off a pretty f*ckin shit day

 

[ansonholt]

it seriously sums us up at the moment. The boys deserved the win, shattering for em. Whats worse losing like that or by 70 points?

I'll take losing by a kick or less every time. At least we are competitive and showing something. Those goals early in the fourth were the best moments of the season for me, outside of nailing the win against Freo.

Losing by 10 goals or worse is just soul destroying.

At least after yesterday we have hope and the promise of a new dawn. I still hate that we lost but leaving the ground I was almost happy with how it all went down. Excepting the ****ing umpring, of course.

 

[CURVE]

After a night's sleep and a Carlisle United Semi-Final victory I'm not as upset about the result as I was yesterday, I'll never get over how we lost, but there were too many positives from our performance to dwell on the negatives.

• The comeback after a poor opening 15 minutes. Previously heads would fall and we would lose by 10-15 goals, but the guys showed fight early to bring the game back on equal terms.
• The pressure we were able to apply without the ball and were able to maintain at a high level for most of the game.
• The number of youngsters we played in the midfield and their ability to compete against the more experiences Swans midfield.
• Wardlaw's debut.
• Sheezel moving forward and spending time in the midfield.
• Career best games from Phillips, Scott, Ford and CCJ.

 

[shinboner_99]

Oh the irony!!
Interchange rules were changed because the Swans beat us by a couple of points and the same venue because they cheated and had an extra player on the ground for a significant part of the last quarter. So now they're counted on and off. So now although we didn't have an extra player and there was no real advantage we are subjected to a rule that is to stop an extra player advantage and as a result lose by a couple of points.

 

[Mav]

Oh the irony!!
Interchange rules were changed because the Swans beat us by a couple of points and the same venue because they cheated and had an extra player on the ground for a significant part of the last quarter. So now they're counted on and off. So now although we didn't have an extra player and there was no real advantage we are subjected to a rule that is to stop an extra player advantage and as a result lose by a couple of points.

Na, different rules and no relation between the two. The cap on rotations has nothing to do with making sure there is 18 on the field.