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Mega Thread Malthouse, Trigg, the Players, Game plan - The Official 'Where is Carlton At" thread (2015 edition)
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FWIW I've read that this years draft is a little weak.
I think they need to be aggressive this year and recognise that the Murphy-Gibbs duo is a major problem. Both too passive and not imposing on the field. In other teams lists, they'd be great assets, but only if those teams had a Selwood, a Hodge, etc.
They had Judd and it worked to a degree for a few years. But with Judd fading, Murphy and Gibbs are exposed. Thomas was massively the wrong FA for them to take and his contract is now a millstone around the neck of the list.
I'd look to try to trade Gibbs in particular to free up enough cap space to try and get Dangerfield as a free agent and currency to bring in more good kids.
So not a total fire sale, but at least one or two more bold moves.
They had Judd and it worked to a degree for a few years. But with Judd fading, Murphy and Gibbs are exposed. Thomas was massively the wrong FA for them to take and his contract is now a millstone around the neck of the list.
I'd look to try to trade Gibbs in particular to free up enough cap space to try and get Dangerfield as a free agent and currency to bring in more good kids.
So not a total fire sale, but at least one or two more bold moves.
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Why, other than an absurdly over the odds money offer, would Danger want to join that rabble?
It would have to be for a ridiculous load of dosh.
I would happily trade the Dogs 2nd rounder for Henderson. But there's no way Carlton would take that. And they probably shouldn't. He's worth a late 1st rounder, I reckon. But we simply can't afford to throw our 1st round pick away on a 26 year old.
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Their corporate thief is dead now, so not sure that's going to happen.
Agreed. It's what they need, but I don't think they are willing to try or able to pull it off.
Shame.
It's early days and poor Jeffy hasn't kicked a set shot yet this year. But yeah he's going ok. Waite is still Waite at North.
After years of hearing this kind of stuff about Melbourne players I think the reality is players don't change too much when they move clubs but the new clubs just offer them an off field change of scenery and usually a different on field set of circumstances that really change things.
You do have to choose the right player. Waite and Sylvia were probably too old (and too obstinate) to learn new tricks, but Rivers, Stefan Martin and Betts have been at least serviceable. I reckon someone like Yarran could do really well at another environment.
I'm sorry, and what has Kennedy "achieved" for WCE exactly in comparison?
People pointing to Judd as the source of Carlton's woes are being mentally lazy IMO. The guy has been the best recruiting decision made by the club in the last decade. The unfortunate thing for Blues fans are all the other recruiting decisions that haven't been as good.
I don't think Carlton are that far off but they need to be patient. Carlton need a spine. The great Carlton teams of the past had great KP players. Their current ones are substandard and not respected by the opposition.
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He hasn't achieved anything for them either as they are just less shit than you but of course i never said he has achieved anything, other than kicking bags of goals.
Judd isn't the only source of your issues but the trade yielded you little in the big scheme but maybe without it you may not be in such a bad place now.
However you are correct that your recruiting in general is the main culprit.
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How can they be "not that far off" but "need to be patient"?
KPP don't just come in and star, (Unless they are pure stars) they take years to mature.
Carlton need patience for sure but they are many years off being a legit challenger.
Exactly. He's achieved nothing. He's achieved less than Judd has at Carlton. Sounds like a great swap
Far from Judd not being the only source of Carlton's issues, he's not even a source. He's singularly been the best recruitment decision we've made over the last decade. If the club nailed all their recruiting decisions to the extent with which they nailed that one, we'd have been contenders by now.
You say we might not be in such a bad place now, I say there's a big chance we'd not only be in such a bad place, but would also have been in a worse place over the last 7 years.
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What rubbish.
If you have paid any attention to Garlett in the twelve months you would know he was dealing with a number of issues in his final season and a bit at Carlton that were clearly impacting on the way he played. He even admitted so in court himself.
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While I really hate going over old ground, I would love to go back over some old posts from the early Judd trade days, to reflect the Big Footy sentiment that Carlton "bent" W. Coast over by "only" compensating them with a Pick 3 and a no namer in Josh Kennedy. Carlton should have been made to give up more for Judd, was the prevailing feeling IIRC at the time. Outside of Carlton fans, I would be very surprised if more 5 % of the BF armchair experts have even heard of Kennedy, let alone actually know anything about him as a footballer.
And who is to say that if Kennedy had of stayed at Carlton and not been traded for Judd, that he would have been any good or had reached his potential anyway, considering their horrendous record of developing young players.
Who knows ... JK might have played anther 2 or 3 seasons at Carlton and done little more than he had for in his first 2 seasons where he struggled to play 22 games and kick 11 goals, eventually been cut or traded back to West. Aust. for a 4th or 5th draft pick or a fringe player.
So it kind of irks me a bit with all Harry hindsight experts here on BF, who never made a blue in their life, telling the whole footy world that Carlton made a mistake to trade for Judd and he some how had let the club down.
IMHO, Carlton's biggest fault wasn't recruiting Judd, but rather it was their failing and inability to draft and develop enough good players to support him. If you consider his stellar record of winning 3 B & F's, a Brownlow, AFL footballer of the year and several All Aust. jumpers etc , he could be hardly been described as failure as a player at Carlton. In all of my 46 years of following the Blues, to be honest I have never seen another player win more games off his own that Juddy.
Taking Lucas over Talia says it all.
They've been crying out for decent KPPs for year - the opportunity arises to get a potentially very good one....
So they take another mid/flanker instead.
The problem they have now is that they've come close, been around a top 4 side, but didn't build around that, and now they're rapidly going backwards and will likely crater.
Oh well, they're Carlton, **** the rest.
They've been crying out for decent KPPs for year - the opportunity arises to get a potentially very good one....
So they take another mid/flanker instead.
The problem they have now is that they've come close, been around a top 4 side, but didn't build around that, and now they're rapidly going backwards and will likely crater.
Oh well, they're Carlton, **** the rest.
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Yes I agree with that totally as being a major blunder ... and Hughes went for Lucas over Talia because Ratten wanted another mid fielder.
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They deluded themselves for years thinking Hughes was anything other than a hack recruiter and they're now reaping the rewards of that arrogance.
Their player development is a joke as well.
Their player development is a joke as well.
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