Malthouse V Buckley

[Warren Buckley]

No I dont I believe Malthouse feels threatened by the division Buckley will create amongst the players. The players know Buckley will be taking over so its in there best interest to sway towards him.

The players are smarter than that. Malthouse is in charge. I can guarantee you. He will be till the day he leaves.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I agree. Key forwards is your problem at the moment.

Can't see anything wrong with the Malthouse/Buckley arrangement, seems to be going very well.

Spot on. Key forwards was always going to be our weak spot in 2010 because of the four or five options all being very young (Cloke Anthony Dawes Rusling N Brown Reid), plus patchwork solutions in Fraser and L Brown and to a lesser extent Jolly.

I cant see how Buckley or anybody else can fix this in the short term or do a better job than Malthouse. The best way to solve this is with persistance and perseverance and to ensure the midfield gives these guys a chance.

FWIW I think Dawes has to come in this week for Anthony. I think he has more strings to his bow and more form.

 

[JeffDunne]

There's one aspect of this arrangement that still has me puzzled.

When Malthouse becomes the Director of Coaching then he remains Buckley's boss. Correct?

In fact, if Malthouse becomes responsible for all coaching decisions, what if Mick doesn't think Bucks is up to it after seeing him up close as an assistant? He's on the record saying he's not ready now, so what if that opinion doesn't change?

Does Mick have the ability to torpedo Buck's senior coaching career before it even starts?

 

[Warren Buckley]

There's one aspect of this arrangement that still has me puzzled.

When Malthouse becomes the Director of Coaching then he remains Buckley's boss. Correct?

In fact, if Malthouse becomes responsible for all coaching decisions, what if Mick doesn't think Bucks is up to it after seeing him up close as an assistant? He's on the record saying he's not ready now, so what if that opinion doesn't change?

Does Mick have the ability to torpedo Buck's senior coaching career before it even starts?

In reality, Eddie makes all decisions or takes ownership of them all.

 

[NOCHANCE]

Spot on. Key forwards was always going to be our weak spot in 2010 because of the four or five options all being very young (Cloke Anthony Dawes Rusling N Brown Reid), plus patchwork solutions in Fraser and L Brown and to a lesser extent Jolly.

I cant see how Buckley or anybody else can fix this in the short term or do a better job than Malthouse. The best way to solve this is with persistance and perseverance and to ensure the midfield gives these guys a chance.

FWIW I think Dawes has to come in this week for Anthony. I think he has more strings to his bow and more form.

The young excuse is poor at best. Playing Melb they were on players either younger or at least on a par in development and struggled. Truth is Cloke and Anthony are average players at best.

 

[Pie eyed]

Having a really good laugh at this thread of fiction.

It would be a great example of "wedge trollitics" if either Malthouse or Buckley even read these opinions let alone gave them any weight.

Carry on shouting at clouds.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

The young excuse is poor at best. Playing Melb they were on players either younger or at least on a par in development and struggled. Truth is Cloke and Anthony are average players at best.

Whatever. Possibly true but yet to be properly established. I wasnt making excuses for them and I certainly wasnt referring specifically to the Melbourne game. In fact I stated Anthony should be droppped so I'm harldy defending them or making excuses.

My point is and remains that our key forwards will be our weak point this year. We do have plenty of options - all admittedly equally unproven options - and we should explore all the possibilities. If anybody shows VFL form, he should be straight into the side. Its just a shame that the VFL season proper hasnt started yet.

 

[Falchoon]

With Sam Fisher not available who will Mick allow to have 40 possessions unmolested at half back this week?

For those not in the know Sam Fisher has taken 51 marks in the last 4 encounters, including 42 possessions and 16 marks in last years final.

 

[Warren Buckley]

With Sam Fisher not available who will Mick allow to have 40 possessions unmolested at half back this week?

For those not in the know Sam Fisher has taken 51 marks in the last 4 encounters, including 42 possessions and 16 marks in last years final.

I think Sam Gilbert.

But maybe Zac Dawson.

Goddard of course. But that is just a normal game for Goddard.

 

[JeffDunne]

In reality, Eddie makes all decisions or takes ownership of them all.

Does anyone doubt that?

Ok, so the next question, what exactly will Malthouse's responsibilities be as 'Director of Coaching'?

Underminer of the head coach or underminer of the president?

 

[Falchoon]

I think Sam Gilbert.

Obvious choice, he's a good reader of the play though his disposal and carry is not in Fishers class

But maybe Zac Dawson.

Given the lack of a decent KPP to match up on is a possibility, he could follow Leigh Brown around though

Goddard of course. But that is just a normal game for Goddard.

Goddard will be spending enough time down forward to keep even Maxwell somewhat accountable.

 

[Warren Buckley]

Does anyone doubt that?

Ok, so the next question, what exactly will Malthouse's responsibilities be as 'Director of Coaching'?

Underminer of the head coach or underminer of the president?

Head coaches work on these areas:-

Develop a coaching philosophy that supports a positive motivational climate

Help athletes gain effective control of their performance

Improve coach-athlete communication

Teach the mental skills needed to perform under pressure

A proven track record in leadership and a reputation for being a lead learner

Full of resilience, resourcefulness, reflectiveness and reciprocity.

Engaging, enlivening and enlightening learning and leadership at all levels.

Playing to the leadership strengths of your personality, values and beliefs & avoiding leadership derailers

Increased resilience in the face of challenges and critical incidents

Cognitive tools for creative thinking and innovative ideas

Person-centred consultancy and greater sense of autonomy

Job satisfaction and achieving greater work life balance

Greater motivation, morale and physical/emotional well-being

Taking your career to the next level or to a complete change

Open and honest relationship management - greater awareness of self, staff and pupil needs

Appreciative intelligence and maintaining a positive mindset in a deficit-based culture

Too often we assume that when it comes to mental ability, athletes either “have it” or they don’t. The truth is, mental skills, like physical skills, can be learned and improved through teaching and practice. With Head Coaching, you can develop a great attitude, stay motivated, build self-confidence, and focus attention so that you consistently perform at your best.

 

[JeffDunne]

Nice story but you didn't answer my question.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Good answer Bucks!!!!!

Its intruiging how many opposition supporters are worrying the structure of about Collingwood's 2012 coaching hierarchy. It will be what it is at the time.

I'm sure the two people involved and all the other assistants are worrying about the here and now and trying to find a winning formula for Friday night.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Nice story but you didn't answer my question.

A vague question deserves a vague answer.

He'll do "stuff".

 

[Warren Buckley]

To be honest, the idea of a head of coaching seperate to day-to-day coaching is pretty concrete in most sporting institutions, it is the AFL which is behind times in this regard.

Yes there is an accountability part to it, but it is more about planning for the future and how to get there.

For instance, the high performance department and also the day to day activities need to be co-ordinated for the long term benefit to maximise the athlete's potential and performance.

Buckley would look after game day, looking forward to the next team you are going to play etc, picking the team, looking after the forward, midfield and back coaches. Quite frankly, that is enough.

 

[FuManchu]

To be honest, the idea of a head of coaching seperate to day-to-day coaching is pretty concrete in most sporting institutions, it is the AFL which is behind times in this regard.

Yes there is an accountability part to it, but it is more about planning for the future and how to get there.

For instance, the high performance department and also the day to day activities need to be co-ordinated for the long term benefit to maximise the athlete's potential and performance.

Buckley would look after game day, looking forward to the next team you are going to play etc, picking the team, looking after the forward, midfield and back coaches. Quite frankly, that is enough.

Is that you DL?

 

[buzzbuzz]

Apparently Malthouse will be involved with the development of younger coaches (assistants and maybe a new, lower rank than that?).

 

[JeffDunne]

To be honest, the idea of a head of coaching seperate to day-to-day coaching is pretty concrete in most sporting institutions, it is the AFL which is behind times in this regard.

It is?

Give me some examples from professional sport?

 

[Warren Buckley]

Look at the Olympics. One of the reasons for the UK increasing their gold medal hauls in the last Olympics is because they stole the Australian head of coaching.

Rather than head of coaching, think of it as Elite Coaching.

Implementing personal development programs specific to supporting the athlete and their development requirements.

 

[Chazz Michaels]

Personally I'll be glad to see him go.

No coach deserves the chances he's had. Let alone with virtually unlimited resources, and almost total 100% control of the footy club.

Can't blame the players at his disposal either.

Wanna know why?

HE recruited them.

 

[JeffDunne]

Its intruiging how many opposition supporters are worrying the structure of about Collingwood's 2012 coaching hierarchy.

Not as intriguing as why so many Collingwood are interested in the welfare of Andrew Lovett.

Malthouse is the biggest name in coaching and he's coaching the highest profile team in the competition.

Of course people are going to be interested in a power play between the president, coach and his assistant.

 

[JeffDunne]

Look at the Olympics.

I did say professional sport.

Comparing publicly funded and private business models is pointless. Apples and oranges.



Sounds to me that you believe Buckley is going to be a senior assistant coach rather than the head coach. For Malthouse to agree to this deal he must think so too.

Personally I can't see Malthouse's ego allowing him to take a step back. I can't see Buckley's allowing him to coach with Mick looking over his shoulder either.

I reckon it's pretty clear MM will go when Nathan takes over and he'll take with him a 7 figure payout courtesy of a president too scared to make a decision.

 

[FuManchu]

Not as intriguing as why so many Collingwood are interested in the welfare of Andrew Lovett.

Malthouse is the biggest name in coaching and he's coaching the highest profile team in the competition.

Of course people are going to be interested in a power play between the president, coach and his assistant.

Of course there will be an issue there.

Any supporters who think it is a dream arrangement have their heads stuck firmly up their clacker. Two huge egos in a confined space never works. Eddie's posturing this weekend about Malthouse is as Walls suggests: Eddie telling Malthouse to pull his head in and stop with the public belittling of Buckley. Buckley is Collingwood after all, Malthouse is just a guest.

 

[MarkT2]

Why would Malthouse take a payout with him if his ego won't allow him to stay? That would be a very unique contract!

I reckon MM may walk. I couldn't care less. If he stays then he will be an asset. If he walks his heart wouldn't have been in it anyway. Buckley takes over with as much knowledge of the team as anyone who has started a coaching gig and an ability to make immediate list and game plan changes.

Maybe Mick isn't happy. I really couldn't care less. I hope there is tension. MM has had it too easy for too long. The pressure is 5 years over due. The pressure is why we recruited an established ruckman.