At least we're talking about 2010.
Speculating about what might happen in 2012 is pointless.
At this stage of the season Collingwood is 2-0, so everything is peachy.
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Malthouse V Buckley
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At least we're talking about 2010.
Speculating about what might happen in 2012 is pointless.
At this stage of the season Collingwood is 2-0, so everything is peachy.
JeffDunne
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Who said anything about him walking (if that's what your suggesting)?
He signed a 5 year deal for a reason.
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Most I would imagine are expecting something to happen this year.
I know I am.
Indeed. Premiership favorites.
So let me get this straight. Malthouse will be at the club until the day he leaves?
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Hit it on the head right there Fu.
Buckley will always be placed ahead of Malthouse, in fact he was always going to once the so called "agreement" was made last year.
Most clubs, and Collingwood by far is not an exception, tend to look after their own, and no matter how long Mick has been the coach of the pies, he is not a Collingwood son, a Collingwood great, or an integral part of the Collingwood family.
The only think I'll back MM up on here is that Buckley isn't ready to be a coach, just have a look at Hardwick and Scott, rated in a similar vein to Bucks, but struggling already to figure out what they are doing as senior coaches.
Buckley will be ready to coach in 2012, and will be coach of Collingwood for a very long time afterwards, but he wasn't ready to take over yet.
But one thing I'd say to MM is to watch how much he says and states publicly about Buckley, because if it came down to a choice between Bucks or MM, Eddie and the board would vote unanimously for Bucks. (Although this is so unlikely to happen its almost ludicrous).
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Clearly you can see that he said IN CHARGE, until the day he leaves.
Have trouble with that did you?
so there'd be no point in boasting about a "young" team then
Who's boasting? I'm stating facts.
Not sure I've ever said our 2010 side was young anyway. They are quickly moving into the next phase as they get game time.
Our kpp's - who take more time - are still young though and that will remain a key issue for Collingwood this year. Our talls wont develop any faster if we replace the coach prior to 2012.
Of course you are.
JeffDunne
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I was referring more to the likes of Anthony, Dawes Reid Brown and Rusling, as well as Wood to a lesser extent.
Agree Cloke should be a lot better at this stage of his career but nevertheless he's still only 22ish and he already has a b&f to his name. Contested marking is one of his weaknesses, no doubt. Needs to pull his finger out but has shown form in the past and needs to do it pronto otherwise he's in the VFL.
How many premiership favorites are there?
About three atm - why do you ask??
he has been in the decline since his good end to 2007.
As Walls said last night, Anthony wouldnt even be rated a good forward. he has no ground skills and is a one trick pony. If he doesnt mark it, kiss the ball goodbye. And even now , his one asset: accuracy, is not what it was.
Dawes !!!!!!!!!!! yeah right, looks like Tarzan, ............... you know the rest. If he had any semblance of talent, he'd have pushed Cloke out. A statue would have pushed Cloke out.
Reid, good kick, too bad he cant actually get the ball to kick it. Its all good being a great VFL player, but in case no-one has checked of late, this is the AFL!
Brown: gone backwards, possibly a forward role would suit, because down back he hasn't shown anything since mid 2008 down back.
Rusling: yeah, like Tom Davidson, the best player that couldnt. Once again, if he could actually get on the park, he is a one trick pony, no game below his knees. If he doesnt mark it on the lead, he has no ground skills to keep the ball in.
We have a dearth of key forwards. And not one heir apparent to slot into those roles. And that is why we persist with Cloke who cant kick, cant mark, cant play deep and plays like a wingman who hates having an opponent, and Anthony. Neither of which are real targets for us coming into the forward line. Malthouse has really dropped the ball in terms fo the key forward structure and only has either 3rd rate options or bandaid solutions. Neither of which will win us a flag.
I dont believe all this guff about bigger blokes taking longer to develop. J Brown didnt take that long, W Carey didnt take that long, Dermie hit the ground running as a teen. What we are witnessing here are players that are big bodied, but low on footballing nous and ability. No amount of time will instill that innate sense that the real good forwards have.
The end is nigh. Woe is us.
Time for Dawes to be given a crack at it. Has kicked eleven in the past two VFL games - and yes its only a practice match but you've still got to go out there and show your wares - so if form is anything to go by he needs to force Anthony out of the side this week.
Perhaps time also to ruck Jolly for 80% game time to run him into form and leave Josh up forward as a near permanent option. They have to get the mix right and they dont have a lot of time to do it.
Time for Dawes to be given a crack at it. Has kicked eleven in the past two VFL games - and yes its only a practice match but you've still got to go out there and show your wares - so if form is anything to go by he needs to force Anthony out of the side this week.
Perhaps time also to ruck Jolly for 80% game time to run him into form and leave Josh up forward as a near permanent option. They have to get the mix right and they dont have a lot of time to do it.
They are the exceptions that prove the rule.
And Dermie was that long ago that its barely comparable to these days. He started his career about four generations ago. Even Rene Kink was capable of playing as a sixteen year old back in that era.
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Collingwood is still waiting for Malthouse and the recruitment team to draft a decent forward after 10 years of drafting.
They could have had Pavlich.
They could have had Pavlich.
But its the exceptions that bring you flags. We will not win a flag the way the current crop are performing. And I cannot see enough scope for them to improve to be those dominating type players.
An innate sense for the key forward positions are needed and we havent recruited, let alone developed a player that fits the bill. And Malthouse's game plan does not accomodate the current players and their shortfalls. Slow moving ball into the forward line means they have to be either able to lead and mark effectively or they need to win contested ball. And at the moment not one of them is good at either aspect of the game.
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I did note that you had the second most experienced team behind Geelong in round 1.
Even without Rocca
Not to mention the 4 consecutive years of finals, yet some morons want to claim that we are an inexperienced finals side.I did note that you had the second most experienced team behind Geelong in round 1.
Even without Rocca
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Who is going to kick the goals in big finals games?
That is Collingwood's biggest problem.
That is Collingwood's biggest problem.
You're sh1tting us aren't you Fu??
J.Brown....it was his 8th season of AFL before he finished with more than 40 goals in a season!! 8th for feck sake.
It took the almighty Brown 5 years before he averaged more than 1.5 goals and 6 marks per game.
Brown is the perfect example that big blokes take longer.
Browny was busting packs and tearing games apart as a teen in the AFL. Can you name one at Collingwood who has had the same impact as Brown had as a teen and later? he is a natural. Other than Rocca, we havent had a bloke who can impact from a key forward position for a long long time. Even tarrant played way up the ground and was overly glorified for taking one or two hangers but primarily was just a lead up forward who missed a lot of goals. ( sound a lot like Cloke)
