Roast Margettes gotta go!

[Achin joints]

How are umpires held to account over their performances ? Is there an integrity unit to investigate them ,it seems like there is just no way for clubs or anyone to question their performance ,week after week we hear professional footballers and commentators question some truly awful decision's and sometimes laugh it off .this is a multi million dollar supposedly professional industry,,we all know that it is a really hard game to adjudicate and so do the umpires ,if they were in any way biased they can easily manipulate that .its not the amount of frees in a game it's where and when they are payed

 

[Scham]

How are umpires held to account over their performances ? Is there an integrity unit to investigate them ,it seems like there is just no way for clubs or anyone to question their performance ,week after week we hear professional footballers and commentators question some truly awful decision's and sometimes laugh it off .this is a multi million dollar supposedly professional industry,,we all know that it is a really hard game to adjudicate and so do the umpires ,if they were in any way biased they can easily manipulate that .its not the amount of frees in a game it's where and when they are payed

Or not paid, as the case may be.

I really don’t think there is much harsh scrutiny on their performances, more positive reinforcement as is the norm these days. It’s apparently a hard role to fill so the AFL don’t want to in any way upset the umpires that they have, or dissuade any up and comers.

 

[Dockeroo]

Or not paid, as the case may be.

I really don’t think there is much harsh scrutiny on their performances, more positive reinforcement as is the norm these days. It’s apparently a hard role to fill so the AFL don’t want to in any way upset the umpires that they have, or dissuade any up and comers.

If you pay peanuts you will get monkeys. The AFL need to stump up proper $$ to attract good people to the roles. Same as any other job tbh. Drop in the ocean in the overall scheme of AFL expenditure

 

[Scham]

If you pay peanuts you will get monkeys. The AFL need to stump up proper $$ to attract good people to the roles. Same as any other job tbh. Drop in the ocean in the overall scheme of AFL expenditure

I’ve heard they get very well paid.

 

[Bring back Drum]

I think with umpiring, if they came out & highlighted a few errors from each weekend & explained the correct decision there would be a better understanding of the rules for all & more empathy for the umpiring fraternity from the fans.

It is frustrating that they very rarely admit fault.

Decision making is open to interpretation & 2 umpires could give opposite decisions & both be correct because the description of the rule is so vague..........still hate them all mind you.

 

[raffrox]

I think with umpiring, if they came out & highlighted a few errors from each weekend & explained the correct decision there would be a better understanding of the rules for all & more empathy for the umpiring fraternity from the fans.

It is frustrating that they very rarely admit fault.

Decision making is open to interpretation & 2 umpires could give opposite decisions & both be correct because the description of the rule is so vague..........still hate them all mind you.

I'm not sure if you listen to Sport FM but apparently Margettes is on their Drivetime program once a fortnight. I had a listen this week.

He admitted that the free kick against Duman in the marking contest with Darling should have been a free kick to us. That's the one after the Mundy 'throw'. He did focus more on the Walters throw that wasn't called. That was a howler though as Walters did throw it. The game was over then though.

 

[wild side]

Dean is probs not a cheat, he's probs just not very good at his job.
The fact he's umpired over 350 games, and never umpired a GF says it all really

 

[mightymouse75]

Mentally & moraly deficient. The boy is a double act.

 

[Scham]

Dean is probs not a cheat, he's probs just not very good at his job.
The fact he's umpired over 350 games, and never umpired a GF says it all really

This. He's definitely got a soft spot for the Eagles but even the WC supporters hate him too, and every other clubs supporters, tells you something. He's just not very good at it. Prone to far too many howlers; you're guaranteed that he'll make at least 1 per game.

 

[DanWA]

This. He's definitely got a soft spot for the Eagles but even the WC supporters hate him too, and every other clubs supporters, tells you something. He's just not very good at it. Prone to far too many howlers; you're guaranteed that he'll make at least 1 per game.

You have summed it up perfectly, we hate him just as much as you lads and everyone else

 

[DeanS]

I've said it all along. He's more an incompetent fool than a cheating bastard.

 

[GingerDocker]

This thread is as woeful as his umpiring

 

[Thistle]

Games umpired since 2013

 

[Square Peg]

I've said it all along. He's more an incompetent fool than a cheating bastard.

It's somewhere in between.
There's a whole industry dedicated to reducing error in professions where you have to make rapid crucial decisions, sometimes with incomplete info, such as medicine.
Across professions what they consistently find is only a very small proportion of error is due to corruption/ malice, the next biggest category is honest mistake, but the biggest category by some margin is due to preconceived bias and the use of heuristics to make decisions. The sources of the bias can be many and even can be anchored in fact e.g. Walters does duck for frees more than other players, the eagles crowd does boo louder than other crowds.
The challenge is to eliminate this sometimes conscious but mostly unconscious bias from decision making by retraining the brain and stop thinking heuristically. Easier said than done, especially where decisions need to be made very quickly.
So yes, he's more incompetent than most because his biases ( conscious and unconscious) are stronger and/or his decision making is more influenced by them. It's not cheating as such but he can improve if he wanted to

 

[Nodgey]

The AFL won't believe there is any hint of corruption or collusion or whatever you want to call it. In fact, they'd laugh at the idea of it.

This happens all the time. Companies believe they have the best controls and structures in place. They believe that fraud is impossible. That is, until it happens. We've seen major frauds in the Dept of Communities in WA and the Dept of Education in Vic where they would never have suspected such a thing.

Cricket brought in 'neutral' umps to remove the perception of a COI. We need to do this in the AFL as a bare minimum. Then move on to a proper study and analysis. Make them full-time (Paul Roos used to bang on about this all the time.) I spoke with a senior umpiring official here in WA who laughed at the idea of full-time umps. Said they'd make less money (as an ump) than in the real world so just not feasible. And in his opinion, totally unnecessary anyway.

 

[gaskin]

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With how much he has ****ed us over the years, it is hard to believe Fisher has only had us 17 times. It feels like a lot more.

 

[Nolo180]

At 46 u wouldnt expect him to keep going for too much longer surely??? He may even have something lined up at WC when the curtain finally comes down...

 

[Ben The Donkey]

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If you could cross reference that with frees given for/against all teams it would tell you more, but then you'd still have the problem of the non-frees and the circumstances (i.e. momentum changing) decisions.
I actually tried to find the frees for/against teams info once, but I had a hard time of it. You'd think that information would be freely available if it weren't very revealing because it would be no harder to record it than any other stat, but it doesn't seem to be... which raises a question. If anyone knows where to find it, I'd be interested.

 

[Inveigh Slang]

He is an absolute dog

 

[Dockeroo]

The fact that the club puts up with this campaigner screwing us week after week says it all. No other team would accept this

 

[FreoRicci]

the guy is an absolute cheat of a person. Why can’t the players or the coach just stand up and put it out there? James Hird style. Because this is criminal

 

[Braybrook Son]

He is an absolute crook

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Wouldn't shed too many tears if someone jumped him in the carpark.

 

[FreoRicci]

We’re not a big football club to even criticise unfortunately..

 

[Achin joints]

His head looks like an awful looking testicle