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Rival clubs now expecting that key defender will request a trade to Collingwood
The Irishman is attracting interest.www.sen.com.au
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Nothing really new that we haven't already heard...
Rival clubs now expecting that key defender will request a trade to Collingwood
The Irishman is attracting interest.www.sen.com.au
What utter tosh re Butts, maybe go do some research before hitting reply.Butts gets a bad rap on here as he is too indecisive.
I said it before he is like a poor man version of Talia.
Talia though was more quick in his decision making and didn't turn the ball over as often.
Butts actually averages the least turnovers and clangers of our key defenders, and has a materially higher kicking efficiency than Keane. Yes Keane is more attacking but he also has a tendency to just throw it on his boot without looking.What utter tosh re Butts, maybe go do some research before hitting reply.
Averaging just over 1 turnover a game and kicking efficiency is in the high 80's
I love it when people don't show all the stats to back up their argument. Butts averaging less disposals makes it stats look better. Keane has more clangers but averages 6 more disposals and almost triple the metres gained.Butts actually averages the least turnovers and clangers of our key defenders, and has a materially higher kicking efficiency than Keane. Yes Keane is more attacking but he also has a tendency to just throw it on his boot without looking.
The defensive 1v1 loss % surprised me though with Butts and Keane both at 25% (I still think Butts is miles ahead defensively). Murray not losing a 1v1 in 5 games is impressive and highlights how much we missed him this year.
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Nearly triple the amount of clangers and turnovers as well. Attacking wise they are performing fairly similar (despite the discrepancy in stats). Now who's using selective stats?I love it when people don't show all the stats to back up their argument. Butts averaging less disposals makes it stats look better. Keane has more clangers but averages 6 more disposals and almost triple the metres gained.
The bolded is blatantly untrue. Keane's best characteristic is that he always looks to dispose to advantage.Butts actually averages the least turnovers and clangers of our key defenders, and has a materially higher kicking efficiency than Keane. Yes Keane is more attacking but he also has a tendency to just throw it on his boot without looking.
The defensive 1v1 loss % surprised me though with Butts and Keane both at 25% (I still think Butts is miles ahead defensively). Murray not losing a 1v1 in 5 games is impressive and highlights how much we missed him this year.
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The same table clearly shows Butts has significantly more disposals per clanger and turnover. Metres gained has less importance if you’re turning it over more often.I love it when people don't show all the stats to back up their argument. Butts averaging less disposals makes it stats look better. Keane has more clangers but averages 6 more disposals and almost triple the metres gained.
Unfortunately we need to wait until the season has finished...Trade now.
Not if we come up with a deal and put it in writing…Unfortunately we need to wait until the season has finished...
They weren’t coached by NicksHow many goals has Amartey kicked since playing us…
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but surely you look at a body of work rather than an outlier re a player (or team) etc. One shocking game yes but the lad who has shown more natural flair, skills and ability than other KPD (certainly Borlase, and I would argue even Butts)How many goals has Amartey kicked since playing us…
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Like Darcy Moore that dud dual All Australian premiership winning captain? Geez, thats horridI don’t know why Collingwood would want him considering we’d demand a 2nd round pick. Keane is basically a poor mans Darcy Moore the way he plays miles off his opponent and gets caught out.
Late first round pick otherwise keep him, his value isn't going down and I don't care if he sooks it up, plenty of clubs in Melbourne if he prefers to go there, otherwise see out your contract.
If Collingwood want him, come up with something we will let him go for. Happy to take McCreery in a straight swap but if he contracted we should get value
but surely you look at a body of work rather than an outlier re a player (or team) etc. One shocking game yes but the lad who has shown more natural flair, skills and ability than other KPD (certainly Borlase, and I would argue even Butts)
Lose Keane - unless F1 from Pies as WE have all the power here - and we are left with an injury prone 3 KPD (inc 3rd tall) of Butts, Murray and Worrell.
At any stage you would bet on one of them normally being injured and then we either play sub-standard Borlase or drag Curtin back whilst everyone whines as we have little other options.
No way we should let him go - unless Pies pay overs (F1)
going by this your rating keane as a better player then worrell......First and last time sat in on a Crows game Day thread last night.
100 people 200 personalities seeing who could make the most ridiculous comment.
Thank God It thinned a bit after Fat Cat went to bed.
To all the lunatics deciding to follow the deluded and pile on Mark Keane you seriously
have absolutely, positively no clue about football.
I can say no more so will leave it for you to ponder the votes
Given by both coaches this year.
But I bet you know better
2024 Coaches votes to Crows Players from half to full back.
Mark Keane 18 Games 8 Coaches Votes
Josh Worrell. 9 Games. 3 Coaches Votes
Luke Nankervis. 16 Games. 3 Coaches Votes
James Borlase. 9 Games. 1 Coaches Vote
Mitch Hinge. 18 Games. 1. Coaches Vote
Max Michalanney. 19 Games. 1 Coaches Vote
Jordan Butts. 15 Games. 0 Coaches Votes
Nick Murray. 5 Games. 0 Coaches Votes
People on here really overate McCreery
A useful contribution would be how many games they secured votes in.First and last time sat in on a Crows game Day thread last night.
100 people 200 personalities seeing who could make the most ridiculous comment.
Thank God It thinned a bit after Fat Cat went to bed.
To all the lunatics deciding to follow the deluded and pile on Mark Keane you seriously
have absolutely, positively no clue about football.
I can say no more so will leave it for you to ponder the votes
Given by both coaches this year.
But I bet you know better
2024 Coaches votes to Crows Players from half to full back.
Mark Keane 18 Games 8 Coaches Votes
Josh Worrell. 9 Games. 3 Coaches Votes
Luke Nankervis. 16 Games. 3 Coaches Votes
James Borlase. 9 Games. 1 Coaches Vote
Mitch Hinge. 18 Games. 1. Coaches Vote
Max Michalanney. 19 Games. 1 Coaches Vote
Jordan Butts. 15 Games. 0 Coaches Votes
Nick Murray. 5 Games. 0 Coaches Votes
You should learn how to read before hitting reply also.What utter tosh re Butts, maybe go do some research before hitting reply.
Averaging just over 1 turnover a game and kicking efficiency is in the high 80's