Autopsy Marsh Series Week 1 - Gold Coast vs Geelong, Metricon Stadium, Saturday 22nd February

[catters_28]

I know it's too early to be melting, but one thing is for sure is that Dangerfield's kicking will be a liability again through the season. In the second quarter, he had it just inside the centre square and was under no pressure, tried to kick it out to a player on the wing. Would've been about a 20 metre kick at most, but it hung in the air like a hospital handpass and the bloke receiving it had no hope of taking a mark before the opposition closed him down. Really disappointing that Danger has never been able to nail down such a fundamental skill.

 

[Captain chaos]

I know it's too early to be melting, but one thing is for sure is that Dangerfield's kicking will be a liability again through the season. In the second quarter, he had it just inside the centre square and was under no pressure, tried to kick it out to a player on the wing. Would've been about a 20 metre kick at most, but it hung in the air like a hospital handpass and the bloke receiving it had no hope of taking a mark before the opposition closed him down. Really disappointing that Danger has never been able to nail down such a fundamental skill.

Yes.. he does dump kick a bit and has his share of out on the fulls

 

[catswhiskers]

I know it's too early to be melting, but one thing is for sure is that Dangerfield's kicking will be a liability again through the season. In the second quarter, he had it just inside the centre square and was under no pressure, tried to kick it out to a player on the wing. Would've been about a 20 metre kick at most, but it hung in the air like a hospital handpass and the bloke receiving it had no hope of taking a mark before the opposition closed him down. Really disappointing that Danger has never been able to nail down such a fundamental skill.

You do have to take the good with the bad with Dangerfield.
Fortunately 10% is bad, 80% is good and 10% is fnunbelievable.

 

[Down at K Park]

I remember a preseason I think 2018 where Tuohy was thumping 60m kick ins to I think Hawkins. They always had Dangerfield time his run to be able to pick up the hand pass or crumb immediately and sprint on. Worked really well for a half or so as I remember it but was really easy set up to counter I think because after working really well a few times it just started rebounding back in.

Point is Hawkins can take that mark and so can Sav, but I think it's a one time per game thing. If they expect it then that ball is coming to ground with oppo small everywhere

Essentially this, but with the caveat that it's not so much 'once per game' as you want to try and have multiple viable choices that you can switch between when bringing the ball in otherwise it will let the opposition set up too reliable a defense.

Something something game theory

Strategy (game theory) - Wikipedia

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Or. Or. Hear me out.

We continually kick it 20 metres to a pocket, and have the player continually cornered on the boundary. Unable to clear the ball without kicking to a 2 on 1 further up the boundary. Resulting in a throw in, or turnover. Rinse, repeat, over and over.

Do you think that could work? Cause our coaches and players sure bloody do.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Some of them are great kicks. But slow and steady.
Guthrie tries sometimes but unfortunately he absolutely should not.
Can see why they tried Constable there, try to get a smart handball out to a runner. But Clark & that's it.
Dunno why they called themselves the "Misfits" should of gone with "2 Trailer Park Girls"

I miss MOC

Or. Or. Hear me out.

We continually kick it 20 metres to a pocket, and have the player continually cornered on the boundary. Unable to clear the ball without kicking to a 2 on 1 further up the boundary. Resulting in a throw in, or turnover. Rinse, repeat, over and over.

Do you think that could work? Cause our coaches and players sure bloody do.

Innovative!

 

[Cataholic]

Or. Or. Hear me out.

We continually kick it 20 metres to a pocket, and have the player continually cornered on the boundary. Unable to clear the ball without kicking to a 2 on 1 further up the boundary. Resulting in a throw in, or turnover. Rinse, repeat, over and over.

Do you think that could work? Cause our coaches and players sure bloody do.

It's a key component of a slow game strategy that will take the competition by storm.

Just don't tell anyone else!!

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Even if he wanted to, I wonder if Scott could implement a game plan incorporating faster ball movement from this group. So many have been brought up with Scott and have therefore been drilled that their first inclination when they get the ball should be to stop, hold it up and look backwards or sideways. Blicavs, a two-time B&F winner and Scott golden child is as slow as treacle in decision making and disposal. Just kills any momentum by perpetually ignoring first option. The lack of awareness is astounding too. Even in pre-season, Guthrie panics and just slams the ball on his boot coming out of defence, and then it goes sailing back over his head. Why he keeps playing down there is beyond me.

Ain’t gonna happen. Pre-game they said Geelong will look to move the ball quicker and get things going, there was none of that all game, ZILTCH!

Although a praccy game and I know we’re a much better team than the suns, there is some cause for concern in that we did, still look extremely slow, with no real introduction to a new game plan. Scott is set in his ways, the players are too so in 2020 we are going to see the same as we have the last 7-8 years under Scott.

We don’t have many ‘quick’ players, but you don’t need a team of them to ‘move’ the ball quick. If we stick with the same game style, the season is just going to end the same way it has in 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2014, 2012 etc.

 

[Landgraft]

The question is if they have been trying to attract some new names into the coaches box and have been rejected multiple times then why?
We have been playing finals football, we have some of the greatest players to ever play the game, we have a premiership coach and multiple premiership assistant coaches, surely this is something that most budding assistants would be absolutely frothing to be a part of.
Is it a location thing, is it a boys club that's hard to infiltrate . I have no idea.

Grigg and Thompson as i understand are development coaches and would have some Intel, to some degree on their respective clubs but are they going to be the difference between winning a flag or not. We are running out of time with our senior guys to snag a flag before retirement, we have been caught short over the past 3 years. We don't seem to change much in regards to playing style, we are predictable and we rely way too much on individual brilliance of a few ageing players who shouldn't be still expected to carry the side.

This year worries me. Potentially could be a very long year, but i suppose for pessimists like myself, its a glass half empty until they prove me wrong......AGAIN!

I don't think we're entitled to know why people have chosen their particular jobs, but location is something that heavily warps every job market in the world and the AFL would be no different. We also have a very stable senior group, so opportunity wouldn't be as available as with some other groups. Maybe that's a good argument for moving some of our existing ones on, but it's a bit catch 22 there.

As for the idea of time running short premiership windows etc. I'm not on board that train so it would just be pointless talking at cross purposes. But really I just disagree with that whole perspective, from it's foundation through the application into conclusions. I think it's wrong all the way down.

Speak up at a general meeting and you get smashed I recall.

Those people who have been shut down have been shut down because their arguments were weak and their understanding casual at best.

The club is accountable to its members but that doesn't mean it's their job to validate all of their opinions.

There's a post on this page or previous by YPO pretty much about the club being tight arses.
This is partly why we only get first year assistants or ones that no-one else wanted and had to go through the VFL and don't get one of the sought after ones.
No VFL streams.
Also why Cocky has been here for 5 years and hasn't been overseas for treatment, why it's a big deal to challenge at the tribunal (don't ever hear one other club ever worry about this).
I know the aim is a flag but we don't go all out $wise and footy dept wise so it sort isn't either.

The footy department spending of the various teams is all very similar, the AFL has brought in policy to make it so.

Without detailed financial statements the club will never release we're just clutching at straws otherwise. I do agree that the club might be restrained with some spending, but I don't agree that it's because the club is an any sense cheap.

 

[Cataholic]

I don't think we're entitled to know why people have chosen their particular jobs, but location is something that heavily warps every job market in the world and the AFL would be no different. We also have a very stable senior group, so opportunity wouldn't be as available as with some other groups. Maybe that's a good argument for moving some of our existing ones on, but it's a bit catch 22 there.

As for the idea of time running short premiership windows etc. I'm not on board that train so it would just be pointless talking at cross purposes. But really I just disagree with that whole perspective, from it's foundation through the application into conclusions. I think it's wrong all the way down.



Those people who have been shut down have been shut down because their arguments were weak and their understanding casual at best.

The club is accountable to its members but that doesn't mean it's their job to validate all of their opinions.



The footy department spending of the various teams is all very similar, the AFL has brought in policy to make it so.

Without detailed financial statements the club will never release we're just clutching at straws otherwise. I do agree that the club might be restrained with some spending, but I don't agree that it's because the club is an any sense cheap.

Are you saying a valid objection has never been raised at the GM's...... That all were weak?

 

[Spazz Cat]

I don't think we're entitled to know why people have chosen their particular jobs, but location is something that heavily warps every job market in the world and the AFL would be no different. We also have a very stable senior group, so opportunity wouldn't be as available as with some other groups. Maybe that's a good argument for moving some of our existing ones on, but it's a bit catch 22 there.

As for the idea of time running short premiership windows etc. I'm not on board that train so it would just be pointless talking at cross purposes. But really I just disagree with that whole perspective, from it's foundation through the application into conclusions. I think it's wrong all the way down.



Those people who have been shut down have been shut down because their arguments were weak and their understanding casual at best.

The club is accountable to its members but that doesn't mean it's their job to validate all of their opinions.



The footy department spending of the various teams is all very similar, the AFL has brought in policy to make it so.

Without detailed financial statements the club will never release we're just clutching at straws otherwise. I do agree that the club might be restrained with some spending, but I don't agree that it's because the club is an any sense cheap.

There's a difference. Coll & WC are spending more than everyone else.
Apparently Carlton are going to have the most well funded footy dept this year. (According to them). They do have pokies though.
Until it's not a soft cap and just a cap it will never be the same.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Are you saying a valid objection has never been raised at the GM's...... That all were weak?

Wonder how many of the w***ers who hounded that guy out are thinking the exact same thing now.

 

[Landgraft]

Are you saying a valid objection has never been raised at the GM's...... That all were weak?

The ones I've read accounts of/seen discussed on here certainly all have been. I'm happy to hear of any notable exceptions that occur to you.

There's a difference. Coll & WC are spending more than everyone else.
Apparently Carlton are going to have the most well funded footy dept this year. (According to them). They do have pokies though.
Until it's not a soft cap and just a cap it will never be the same.

They spend more, but it becomes difficult to have a substantially bigger outlay than the cap allows. I don't believe for a second the discrepancy is big enough to accuse any club of just being cheap.

 

[ATSAM]

Wonder how many of the w***ers who hounded that guy out are thinking the exact same thing now.

Who was hounded out-genuine question

 

[thejester]

There's a difference. Coll & WC are spending more than everyone else.
Apparently Carlton are going to have the most well funded footy dept this year. (According to them). They do have pokies though.
Until it's not a soft cap and just a cap it will never be the same.

Shaun Grigg was hired at the end of last year and pretty sure he wasn't replacing anyone, so they must be gradually increasing investment. I think the AFL brought in the cap on spending as much to save clubs from themselves as to enforce parity, and they were probably right too - remember when everyone thought high altitude training camps in the US delivered an advantage?

 

[Spazz Cat]

Shaun Grigg was hired at the end of last year and pretty sure he wasn't replacing anyone, so they must be gradually increasing investment. I think the AFL brought in the cap on spending as much to save clubs from themselves as to enforce parity, and they were probably right too - remember when everyone thought high altitude training camps in the US delivered an advantage?

I do! Actually forgot about those till you bought it up.
And yes I absolutely agree with it too.

 

[Spazz Cat]

The ones I've read accounts of/seen discussed on here certainly all have been. I'm happy to hear of any notable exceptions that occur to you.



They spend more, but it becomes difficult to have a substantially bigger outlay than the cap allows. I don't believe for a second the discrepancy is big enough to accuse any club of just being cheap.

Let's just say it's 100 grand. That's still easily enough to make a difference between someone choosing you over another club.
Or the difference between sending a player somewhere for some fancy treatment.
It should be like the salary cap where all clubs have to spend the full amount, or close to it.

 

[thejester]

I do! Actually forgot about those till you bought it up.
And yes I absolutely agree with it too.

I was thinking about your point about not getting Cockatoo overseas when they did it (and it worked) for Rooke, and I wonder how much that is to do with a fear of crossing some kind of WADA boundary. So much of the cutting edge sports science stuff seems to be about exploiting WADA loopholes and after the Essendon fiasco maybe they're prioritising caution?

 

[Spazz Cat]

Who was hounded out-genuine question

Some dude who bought up coaching concerns at a general meeting.
Obviously a bit dumb to think any coach would ever give you meaningfull answers but he did anyway.
Crowd didn't like it and he left.

 

[Spazz Cat]

I was thinking about your point about not getting Cockatoo overseas when they did it (and it worked) for Rooke, and I wonder how much that is to do with a fear of crossing some kind of WADA boundary. So much of the cutting edge sports science stuff seems to be about exploiting WADA loopholes and after the Essendon fiasco maybe they're prioritising caution?

Think it was DeGoey? who went and saw that German doctor with the weird name last year.
So it can still happen. Just don't think you can inject cows blood and stuff.

 

[you pick one]

Think it was DeGoey? who went and saw that German doctor with the weird name last year.
So it can still happen. Just don't think you can inject cows blood and stuff.

So you could go over to Germany as Cockatoo and come back as Clitatoo and that's okay but no injecting calves blood.Funny world.

 

[Spazz Cat]

So you could go over to Germany as Cockatoo and come back as Clitatoo and that's okay but no injecting calves blood.Funny world.

Germany's a bit of an overkill. Think it's way cheaper to go to Thailand for Cockatoo adjustments.

 

[Landgraft]

Let's just say it's 100 grand. That's still easily enough to make a difference between someone choosing you over another club.
Or the difference between sending a player somewhere for some fancy treatment.
It should be like the salary cap where all clubs have to spend the full amount, or close to it.

I don't disagree that our budget would contain some sacrifices, I just rankle at the idea that that makes the club tight arses.

 

[Landgraft]

Some dude who bought up coaching concerns at a general meeting.
Obviously a bit dumb to think any coach would ever give you meaningfull answers but he did anyway.
Crowd didn't like it and he left.

This was the guy who went with the 'Plan B' question, right? It happened twice that I know of but was basically the same question both times.

I don't think it's due to a lack of accountability that a question like that wasn't taken seriously. It's a bad question poorly asked.

 

[Spazz Cat]

I don't disagree that our budget would contain some sacrifices, I just rankle at the idea that that makes the club tight arses.

Fair enough

 

[Spazz Cat]

This was the guy who went with the 'Plan B' question, right? It happened twice that I know of but was basically the same question both times.

I don't think it's due to a lack of accountability that a question like that wasn't taken seriously. It's a bad question poorly asked.

TBH I couldn't see any coach answering any questions like that. Even from a journalist. It's just funny the crowd was offended.